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| Ian O'Connor @Ian_OConnor John Mara reached out to Brian Flores a couple of nights ago, a source told The Post. Very good conversation. Mara assured Flores that he's a serious candidate and that Giants will be willing to eat money to clear up some cap space...This could be Flores-Daboll steel cage match. |
It’s been widely reported that Flores was on all the GM shortlists.
Right, but this is also a good way to keep a potential coach informed and available as I'm sure Flores was up the list for most of the candidates. It'd be worse to have Flores take a job somewhere and then here that Schoen wanted to interview him.
Agree that it should be Schoen's call.
There is more than one point to what you posted. You focused on clearing the cap issues, you are right that is the correct play. Others are focusing on Mara's comment that Flores is in consideration. Is Mara speaking for the new GM as well?
Even if Schoen has Flores as a strong candidate, given the smoke around too much influence from the Maras this should not have gotten out 🤦🏾♂️
Sure they can't. Then take a look at some teams and how many high priced long term vets they are paying compared to other teams.
Yes there's a day of reckoning for teams that kick the can down the road, but there are ways around and through the cap. It's been proven time and time again.
The cap is more for the teams that don't spend enough money in my view.
We'll agree to disagree.
The more a Mara gets involved, the more something will get fucked up. History proves that fact.
I am harboring serious doubts that Mara has learned his lesson.
If John Mara has established anything as fact, it's that he can't evaluate a coaching candidate to save his life.
Worry about the draft. That right there is the boogeyman. You can't hide from bad drafts. You can hide from a bad FA move or two.
I call BS on this report
BBI loves to worry.
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Much for the gm picking the coach huh
It’s been widely reported that Flores was on all the GM shortlists.
Yea, well when the owner calls the candidate... that might have influence no?
Exactly. Thank you Eric. We need to stay on him and his familia.
I call BS on this report
Bradberry, Martinez. I don't think it is about 2022. Its about a HC coming in and implementing a direction with a super young team and opening things up for 2023 and thereafter. I think the HC/GM will want to keep Williams.
BBI loves to worry.
Half loves to worry, and half like to bury their heads in the sand. It's a wonderful dynamic.
2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.
3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.
4) The Giants reached out to Flores.
I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.
Worry about the draft. That right there is the boogeyman. You can't hide from bad drafts. You can hide from a bad FA move or two.
There’s still a limit to what you can do. Bad free agent signings still hurt you.
2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.
3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.
4) The Giants reached out to Flores.
I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.
+1 and you know BBI would meltdown if someone else snatched Flores/Daboll in the meantime.
Agreed. Unless it was "[GM Candidate] is interested in interviewing you if he's hired" I'm concerned about Mara reaching out to head coaches on his own before Schoen was hired.
Eric, who says Schoen didn't tell them to reach out? Schoen wasn't GM yet so would be inappropriate for him to do the reaching out.
I call BS on this report
2022 isn’t the goal. They are screwed there either way. The goal is to use 2022 for all the dead cap so it’s off the books come 2023
2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.
3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.
4) The Giants reached out to Flores.
I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.
Not a problem at all if some of the assumptions you make above are true. But they are only assumptions. We have no idea who each of the three GM candidates had on their list. There is also no reason to believe waiting until today for Schoen to contact them was going to cost us a shot at them. Have any of them taken a job yet?
2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.
3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.
4) The Giants reached out to Flores.
I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.
Exactly. Plus let's not forget that if you're a black candidate for a number of HC positions, you would want assurances from any potential suitor that you were not just a "Rooney Rule" interview.
Mara reaching out and assuring Flores that he is a viable HC candidate doesn't seem like a big deal to me. In fact, it's the right move to keep one of the best HC options in play.
Coaches are going to be signed soon. If Daboll decides he likes Miami more than the Giants (and that's possible), then the GM needs alternatives. You don't want to lose Flores to Houston, and then be stuck with 2nd or 3rd choices. As long as JM had Schoen's approval to reach out to coaches, I'm fine with it.
I agree, but if the rumors of all the candidates mentioned Flores, and even Quinn, then it’s a wise preemptive move to get them in the building and show interest before someone makes them a solid offer they can’t refuse.
As to ‘carte blanche ’, all candidates should be interviewed, even if the insiders favorite, like Schoen was, wins out; in this case Daboll.
If John Mara has established anything as fact, it's that he can't evaluate a coaching candidate to save his life.
I agree, but the Giants don't have an indefinite amount of time with other teams vying for the same candidates. I have no problem with Mara getting his foot in the door, especially if these guys (Quinn, Flores) were discussed in the interviews
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1) Apparently all three GMs had Flores on the list of coaches they want to talk to
2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.
3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.
4) The Giants reached out to Flores.
I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.
+1 and you know BBI would meltdown if someone else snatched Flores/Daboll in the meantime.
If Flores went elsewhere today it’s because he doesn’t want to be the Giants HC. All he has to do is wait a day or two for the Giants to start lining up interviews. You don’t need to be a genius or a meddling owner to figure that out. If Schoen likes him as a candidate, he would contact him very soon. So the call from Mara seems like it serves little purpose other than to signal to Flores that he’s Mara’s choice.
This is absolutely correct. Full cap reset.
I'm sure HC candidates were discussed in interviews. Mara's just letting Flores know they're interested so he doesn't take the first offer he sees.
I think the days of no involvement from Tisch are over. How about all the money going to coaches that never completed their contracts.
I think Tisch is going to hold the Mara's more accountable. The long honeymoon is over.
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Eating the cap and taking lumps in 2022 is the right call.
This is absolutely correct. Full cap reset.
Absolutely. Trade who you can, cut the rest.
Forget the bathwater, throw out the whole bathtub.
And have bathfitter install a new shower in just one day, now here's your local traffic...
😂
And then those fools are surprised every year when the Giants suck commensurate to the bad ways they spend money.
They should sign a starting quality Olineman, blocking tight end...resign a few of their own players, but hopefully not much after that. Build through the draft!!
They should sign a starting quality Olineman, blocking tight end...resign a few of their own players, but hopefully not much after that. Build through the draft!!
Aren't
I think the days of no involvement from Tisch are over. How about all the money going to coaches that never completed their contracts.
I think Tisch is going to hold the Mara's more accountable. The long honeymoon is over.
Is it really eating money though? They would have paid it anyway, except now they’re paying less for subpar performance in the long term
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I’d want the owner to at least reach out in that case as opposed to having your head in the sand.
We'll agree to disagree.
The more a Mara gets involved, the more something will get fucked up. History proves that fact.
I am harboring serious doubts that Mara has learned his lesson.
I get your point. But if Flores and Quinn are hot candidates, it seems that they are? And both were on the lists for Peters/Schoen, would it not be prudent for Mara to reach out (before the official announcement of Schoen) to give a heads up about wanting to interview each of them given interest by potential GM's before they were snatched up by another team?
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Much for the gm picking the coach huh
It’s been widely reported that Flores was on all the GM shortlists.
By O'Connor.
And then those fools are surprised every year when the Giants suck commensurate to the bad ways they spend money.
+5 ... ffs the salary cap matters, just accept it and stop being dense.
+1.
And then those fools are surprised every year when the Giants suck commensurate to the bad ways they spend money.
Right if the salary cap was fake like people claim why don’t we make moves like the Rams and Saints? It’s because not every contract is as flexible.
But Mara already interviewed a HC without the new GM being present.
Mara has rushed things before and really screwed up the franchise for years because of it.
He needs to get out of the way.
If they want to get rid of Golladay, Barkley, Bradberry, Martinez, Jones or even some of these higher draft picks based not just on the football end of it, but for financial management purposes as well in some form or fashion, it's ok.
This is what we want. Nothing to complain about here.
So expressing a point of view is not the same as being on the ledge. And if it is?
For God's sake BigBlueJ, Calm Down!!! It will be alright!!! Why are you freaking out about this???
But Mara already interviewed a HC without the new GM being present.
Mara has rushed things before and really screwed up the franchise for years because of it.
He needs to get out of the way.
Which HC did he interview? I've only seen the one request for Quinn and now the call to Flores? Did the interview for Quinn already take place?
I agree he needs to get out of the way, but right now all I've seen is calls, and if Quinn and Flores are going to be hot commodities this off-season then I have no issue with Mara relaying any interest Schoen or Peters had in them to request an interview before an official announcement of new GM.
But again, I hope Quinn was on the radar of the new GM. If not, this is a bad look.
But again, I hope Quinn was on the radar of the new GM. If not, this is a bad look.
No worries, wasn't sure if I missed something haha.
I would have to think he is/was. I want to say the request for Quinn came after the initial round of interviews and may have come after Schoen's second interview if I recall correctly?
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can everyone back away from the ledge. It never stops here...
So expressing a point of view is not the same as being on the ledge. And if it is?
For God's sake BigBlueJ, Calm Down!!! It will be alright!!! Why are you freaking out about this???
How about basing an opinion on a set of facts, not conspiracy theories.
What do you need to see to realize these people are very bad at running the team on the field? Why would them getting involved picking the HC again not alarm you? Especially after we're being told the GM is going to have carte blanche to run the football operation?
Hasn't Schoen been touted as the front runner all along? Never mind that take would make the GM search a sham, it also means Schoen has been pitching his vision. Maybe Flores is a possibility in that vision.
It’s incredible.
Do you guys actually believe Mara, after such a thorough search for a GM, after reports the GM would have carts blanch, would reach out to a coach without first knowing whom his GM in waiting wants, or that Schoen would agree to it?
Come on.
Do you guys actually believe Mara, after such a thorough search for a GM, after reports the GM would have carts blanch, would reach out to a coach without first knowing whom his GM in waiting wants, or that Schoen would agree to it?
Come on.
It’s obvious. Flores was on the short list of the GM finalists, and Mara wanted to make sure he didn’t accept any other job yet. Same with Quinn.
@AlbertBreer
One thing to keep in mind on Brian Flores and the
@Giants
: New GM Joe Schoen worked with Dolphins GM Chris Grier for 9 years in Miami. When Grier was college director, Schoen was ass't college director. When Grier was GM, Schoen was DPP.
Schoen's going to know plenty on Flores.
Giants will make a call to texans for watson.
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Would take the job without getting to hire his own coach, guess he s not as good as advertised.
Do you guys actually believe Mara, after such a thorough search for a GM, after reports the GM would have carts blanch, would reach out to a coach without first knowing whom his GM in waiting wants, or that Schoen would agree to it?
Come on.
It’s obvious. Flores was on the short list of the GM finalists, and Mara wanted to make sure he didn’t accept any other job yet. Same with Quinn.
“Carte “. Phone typing sucks
Giants will make a call to texans for watson.
I highly doubt they're going to try bring Watson in
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Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
One thing to keep in mind on Brian Flores and the
@Giants
: New GM Joe Schoen worked with Dolphins GM Chris Grier for 9 years in Miami. When Grier was college director, Schoen was ass't college director. When Grier was GM, Schoen was DPP.
Schoen's going to know plenty on Flores.
And this is good, because if Schoen is a fair man he will get Flores side of the story to be able to make a fair determination
Exactly. Every year, people express concern about the Giants' cap situation and yet every year, they...
...continue to suck.
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can everyone back away from the ledge. It never stops here...
So expressing a point of view is not the same as being on the ledge. And if it is?
For God's sake BigBlueJ, Calm Down!!! It will be alright!!! Why are you freaking out about this???
How about basing an opinion on a set of facts, not conspiracy theories.
You don't know what a conspiracy theory is, do you?
Mara called a coaching candidate. That is not a conspiracy theory, it is a fact report by the media. What conspiracy did I put forth and who did I indicate was involved in this conspiracy?
this is one of them...
Such a glorious time to be alive!
Such a glorious time to be alive!
12/21.
You can go fuck yourself too.
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Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
One thing to keep in mind on Brian Flores and the
@Giants
: New GM Joe Schoen worked with Dolphins GM Chris Grier for 9 years in Miami. When Grier was college director, Schoen was ass't college director. When Grier was GM, Schoen was DPP.
Schoen's going to know plenty on Flores.
And this is good, because if Schoen is a fair man he will get Flores side of the story to be able to make a fair determination
If Schoen is a smart man, he'll delete Flores in his phone.
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1) Apparently all three GMs had Flores on the list of coaches they want to talk to
2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.
3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.
4) The Giants reached out to Flores.
I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.
+1 and you know BBI would meltdown if someone else snatched Flores/Daboll in the meantime.
If Flores went elsewhere today it’s because he doesn’t want to be the Giants HC. All he has to do is wait a day or two for the Giants to start lining up interviews. You don’t need to be a genius or a meddling owner to figure that out. If Schoen likes him as a candidate, he would contact him very soon. So the call from Mara seems like it serves little purpose other than to signal to Flores that he’s Mara’s choice.
Or the call could have been at Schoen's request. Since he hadn't yet been hired, he may have wanted John to let Flores know that Schoen would consider him.
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Would take the job without getting to hire his own coach, guess he s not as good as advertised.
Do you guys actually believe Mara, after such a thorough search for a GM, after reports the GM would have carts blanch, would reach out to a coach without first knowing whom his GM in waiting wants, or that Schoen would agree to it?
Come on.
It’s obvious. Flores was on the short list of the GM finalists, and Mara wanted to make sure he didn’t accept any other job yet. Same with Quinn.
Yes, this isn't rocket science. And I'm no Mara fan too!