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Mara willing to eat money to clear cap; Flores in play

Sean : 1/21/2022 12:49 pm
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Ian O'Connor
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John Mara reached out to Brian Flores a couple of nights ago, a source told The Post. Very good conversation. Mara assured Flores that he's a serious candidate and that Giants will be willing to eat money to clear up some cap space...This could be Flores-Daboll steel cage match.
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ryanmkeane : 1/21/2022 12:50 pm : link
O'Connor has been touting Flores since the day he got fired. It's a bit weird.
Great so  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/21/2022 12:51 pm : link
Much for the gm picking the coach huh
Sorry  
Slowasski : 1/21/2022 12:51 pm : link
This needs to be Schoen's call. If Schoen does not want Flores that should be the end of it, no questions.
RE: Great so  
Sean : 1/21/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15564663 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Much for the gm picking the coach huh

It’s been widely reported that Flores was on all the GM shortlists.
RE: Sorry  
bronxct1 : 1/21/2022 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15564665 Slowasski said:
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This needs to be Schoen's call. If Schoen does not want Flores that should be the end of it, no questions.


Right, but this is also a good way to keep a potential coach informed and available as I'm sure Flores was up the list for most of the candidates. It'd be worse to have Flores take a job somewhere and then here that Schoen wanted to interview him.
Hopefully this means  
ajr2456 : 1/21/2022 12:55 pm : link
They’d be willing to move Barkley and Jones and completely reset it.
Ton of people missing the point  
Sean : 1/21/2022 12:55 pm : link
Eating the cap and taking lumps in 2022 is the right call.
I am sure Mara received thoughts  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/21/2022 12:56 pm : link
on who the GM's liked as HC's. Probably a big part of the discussion. Schoen probably mentioned Flores if true.

Agree that it should be Schoen's call.
Mara  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/21/2022 12:56 pm : link
needs to get out of the way and let Schoen choose the HC.
I would think that  
DonnieD89 : 1/21/2022 12:57 pm : link
This has been already discussed in the interview with The GM candidates.
I assume  
Essex : 1/21/2022 12:58 pm : link
Mara made the call knowing what Schoen's wishes were.
RE: Ton of people missing the point  
Slowasski : 1/21/2022 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15564683 Sean said:
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Eating the cap and taking lumps in 2022 is the right call.


There is more than one point to what you posted. You focused on clearing the cap issues, you are right that is the correct play. Others are focusing on Mara's comment that Flores is in consideration. Is Mara speaking for the new GM as well?
RE: Mara  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/21/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15564687 Eric from BBI said:
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needs to get out of the way and let Schoen choose the HC.


Even if Schoen has Flores as a strong candidate, given the smoke around too much influence from the Maras this should not have gotten out 🤦🏾‍♂️
It has been reported Flores is a target for each GM finalist  
Sean : 1/21/2022 1:00 pm : link
I’d want the owner to at least reach out in that case as opposed to having your head in the sand.
Agree  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/21/2022 1:01 pm : link
HC discussed in meetings with Mara. Based on where JS has been I think Flores wile be in play. They do come from different defensive cultures.
Schoen also spoke to Flores recently per the NYPost  
Strahan91 : 1/21/2022 1:01 pm : link
in case he got the job (or another one) so it's possible (if not likely) that Mara's conversation as well as Schoen's were in an effort to keep Flores from taking another job before the Giants made their official decision.
oh really now?  
djm : 1/21/2022 1:01 pm : link
I thought owners couldn't do such a thing....

Sure they can't. Then take a look at some teams and how many high priced long term vets they are paying compared to other teams.

Yes there's a day of reckoning for teams that kick the can down the road, but there are ways around and through the cap. It's been proven time and time again.

The cap is more for the teams that don't spend enough money in my view.
RE: It has been reported Flores is a target for each GM finalist  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/21/2022 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15564707 Sean said:
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I’d want the owner to at least reach out in that case as opposed to having your head in the sand.


We'll agree to disagree.

The more a Mara gets involved, the more something will get fucked up. History proves that fact.

I am harboring serious doubts that Mara has learned his lesson.
If true, it is a terrible sign  
Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2022 1:02 pm : link
that Mara is talking to potential coaching candidates. He should be getting updates from Schoen on the search and otherwise minding his own business.

If John Mara has established anything as fact, it's that he can't evaluate a coaching candidate to save his life.
basically  
djm : 1/21/2022 1:03 pm : link
stop bemoaning the so called lack of cap space, especially for this coming off-season. It's not the boogeyman it's made out to be.

Worry about the draft. That right there is the boogeyman. You can't hide from bad drafts. You can hide from a bad FA move or two.
What money is there to eat?  
Breeze_94 : 1/21/2022 1:03 pm : link
Besides Bradberry, Rudolph, Shepard? Most of the other guys (Williams, Adoree, Golladay) of cut would be eating money just to eat money. It doesn’t help the Giants cap outlook in 2022.

I call BS on this report
lol  
djm : 1/21/2022 1:04 pm : link
you guys are worrying that the owner is talking to candidates.

BBI loves to worry.
RE: RE: Great so  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/21/2022 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15564670 Sean said:
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In comment 15564663 GiantsRage2007 said:


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Much for the gm picking the coach huh


It’s been widely reported that Flores was on all the GM shortlists.



Yea, well when the owner calls the candidate... that might have influence no?
Get out of the way  
JonC : 1/21/2022 1:05 pm : link
Jawn, move over.
RE: Mara  
Optimus-NY : 1/21/2022 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15564687 Eric from BBI said:
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needs to get out of the way and let Schoen choose the HC.


Exactly. Thank you Eric. We need to stay on him and his familia.
I'm fine with whatever the plan is if it's the GMs plan  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2022 1:07 pm : link
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RE: What money is there to eat?  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/21/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15564719 Breeze_94 said:
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Besides Bradberry, Rudolph, Shepard? Most of the other guys (Williams, Adoree, Golladay) of cut would be eating money just to eat money. It doesn’t help the Giants cap outlook in 2022.

I call BS on this report


Bradberry, Martinez. I don't think it is about 2022. Its about a HC coming in and implementing a direction with a super young team and opening things up for 2023 and thereafter. I think the HC/GM will want to keep Williams.
RE: lol  
Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15564720 djm said:
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you guys are worrying that the owner is talking to candidates.

BBI loves to worry.


Half loves to worry, and half like to bury their heads in the sand. It's a wonderful dynamic.
ok lets think this through  
blueblood : 1/21/2022 1:08 pm : link
1) Apparently all three GMs had Flores on the list of coaches they want to talk to

2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.

3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.

4) The Giants reached out to Flores.

I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.
RE: basically  
ajr2456 : 1/21/2022 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15564717 djm said:
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stop bemoaning the so called lack of cap space, especially for this coming off-season. It's not the boogeyman it's made out to be.

Worry about the draft. That right there is the boogeyman. You can't hide from bad drafts. You can hide from a bad FA move or two.


There’s still a limit to what you can do. Bad free agent signings still hurt you.
RE: ok lets think this through  
Sean : 1/21/2022 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15564737 blueblood said:
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1) Apparently all three GMs had Flores on the list of coaches they want to talk to

2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.

3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.

4) The Giants reached out to Flores.

I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.

+1 and you know BBI would meltdown if someone else snatched Flores/Daboll in the meantime.
RE: Mara  
widmerseyebrow : 1/21/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15564687 Eric from BBI said:
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needs to get out of the way and let Schoen choose the HC.


Agreed. Unless it was "[GM Candidate] is interested in interviewing you if he's hired" I'm concerned about Mara reaching out to head coaches on his own before Schoen was hired.
RE: Mara  
jvm52106 : 1/21/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15564687 Eric from BBI said:
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needs to get out of the way and let Schoen choose the HC.


Eric, who says Schoen didn't tell them to reach out? Schoen wasn't GM yet so would be inappropriate for him to do the reaching out.
RE: What money is there to eat?  
BigBlueShock : 1/21/2022 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15564719 Breeze_94 said:
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Besides Bradberry, Rudolph, Shepard? Most of the other guys (Williams, Adoree, Golladay) of cut would be eating money just to eat money. It doesn’t help the Giants cap outlook in 2022.

I call BS on this report

2022 isn’t the goal. They are screwed there either way. The goal is to use 2022 for all the dead cap so it’s off the books come 2023
RE: ok lets think this through  
Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2022 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15564737 blueblood said:
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1) Apparently all three GMs had Flores on the list of coaches they want to talk to

2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.

3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.

4) The Giants reached out to Flores.

I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.


Not a problem at all if some of the assumptions you make above are true. But they are only assumptions. We have no idea who each of the three GM candidates had on their list. There is also no reason to believe waiting until today for Schoen to contact them was going to cost us a shot at them. Have any of them taken a job yet?
See…  
illmatic : 1/21/2022 1:13 pm : link
This is the type of shit I don’t want to hear right after claiming the GM is going to run the show. What’s the point of this call unless Mara really wants Flores? This should be the Schoen show. What Mara wants or Mara’s feelings about Flores after the call shouldn’t even matter unless Schoen says this is my guy. Which he obviously hasn’t yet since there haven’t been any damn HC interviews.
RE: ok lets think this through  
Jim in Tampa : 1/21/2022 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15564737 blueblood said:
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1) Apparently all three GMs had Flores on the list of coaches they want to talk to

2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.

3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.

4) The Giants reached out to Flores.

I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.

Exactly. Plus let's not forget that if you're a black candidate for a number of HC positions, you would want assurances from any potential suitor that you were not just a "Rooney Rule" interview.

Mara reaching out and assuring Flores that he is a viable HC candidate doesn't seem like a big deal to me. In fact, it's the right move to keep one of the best HC options in play.
As long as Schoen makes the final call  
JohnF : 1/21/2022 1:17 pm : link
This is a non issue. And we don't know if Daboll is a lock to come here, even with Schoen being GM.

Coaches are going to be signed soon. If Daboll decides he likes Miami more than the Giants (and that's possible), then the GM needs alternatives. You don't want to lose Flores to Houston, and then be stuck with 2nd or 3rd choices. As long as JM had Schoen's approval to reach out to coaches, I'm fine with it.
RE: Mara  
Joe Beckwith : 1/21/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15564687 Eric from BBI said:
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needs to get out of the way and let Schoen choose the HC.


I agree, but if the rumors of all the candidates mentioned Flores, and even Quinn, then it’s a wise preemptive move to get them in the building and show interest before someone makes them a solid offer they can’t refuse.
As to ‘carte blanche ’, all candidates should be interviewed, even if the insiders favorite, like Schoen was, wins out; in this case Daboll.
RE: If true, it is a terrible sign  
Scooter185 : 1/21/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15564716 Mike from Ohio said:
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that Mara is talking to potential coaching candidates. He should be getting updates from Schoen on the search and otherwise minding his own business.

If John Mara has established anything as fact, it's that he can't evaluate a coaching candidate to save his life.


I agree, but the Giants don't have an indefinite amount of time with other teams vying for the same candidates. I have no problem with Mara getting his foot in the door, especially if these guys (Quinn, Flores) were discussed in the interviews
I am no John Mara fan...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 1:18 pm : link
But some of you need to chill out with this.
RE: RE: ok lets think this through  
illmatic : 1/21/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15564744 Sean said:
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In comment 15564737 blueblood said:


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1) Apparently all three GMs had Flores on the list of coaches they want to talk to

2) Flores was getting lots of requests from other teams.

3) Flores apparently had some interest in the Giants Job.

4) The Giants reached out to Flores.

I dont get how this the problem some are making it out to be.


+1 and you know BBI would meltdown if someone else snatched Flores/Daboll in the meantime.


If Flores went elsewhere today it’s because he doesn’t want to be the Giants HC. All he has to do is wait a day or two for the Giants to start lining up interviews. You don’t need to be a genius or a meddling owner to figure that out. If Schoen likes him as a candidate, he would contact him very soon. So the call from Mara seems like it serves little purpose other than to signal to Flores that he’s Mara’s choice.
RE: Ton of people missing the point  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/21/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15564683 Sean said:
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Eating the cap and taking lumps in 2022 is the right call.


This is absolutely correct. Full cap reset.
The more players cut or traded, the better  
Go Terps : 1/21/2022 1:20 pm : link
Throw this bathwater out the window and start over.
RE: Great so  
Section331 : 1/21/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15564663 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Much for the gm picking the coach huh


I'm sure HC candidates were discussed in interviews. Mara's just letting Flores know they're interested so he doesn't take the first offer he sees.
Willing to eat money  
kelly : 1/21/2022 1:21 pm : link
Wonder how Tisch feels about eating money because the Mara's we're so incompetent. I mean half of that money lost belonged to Tisch.

I think the days of no involvement from Tisch are over. How about all the money going to coaches that never completed their contracts.

I think Tisch is going to hold the Mara's more accountable. The long honeymoon is over.
Schoen  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/21/2022 1:21 pm : link
was in the AFC East. He will know Flores and Miami very well and I am sure Flores coaching is well known in Buffalo whether positive or negative.
RE: RE: Ton of people missing the point  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/21/2022 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15564799 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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In comment 15564683 Sean said:


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Eating the cap and taking lumps in 2022 is the right call.



This is absolutely correct. Full cap reset.


Absolutely. Trade who you can, cut the rest.
RE: The more players cut or traded, the better  
Scooter185 : 1/21/2022 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15564803 Go Terps said:
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Throw this bathwater out the window and start over.


Forget the bathwater, throw out the whole bathtub.


And have bathfitter install a new shower in just one day, now here's your local traffic...

😂
 
christian : 1/21/2022 1:22 pm : link
The economics always matter. Only the deeply foolish insist they don’t.

And then those fools are surprised every year when the Giants suck commensurate to the bad ways they spend money.
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