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| The #Panthers are expected to hire former #Giants HC and ex-#Packers OC Ben McAdoo as their offensive coordinator, sources say. They need to work out the contract, but there aren’t expected to be issues. McAdoo is back as an OC, where he initially rose to prominence. |
Instead we followed up by hiring Gettleman and another stat inflating loser in Shurmur.
Generally why metrics based goals are stupid and used by stupid people trying to look smart. The only metric that matters is W-L.
What a pain.
But hey - at least Spag carried his ass for a season.
I think Rhule is getting fired next offseason. I don't see how he makes the playoffs next year unless he gets a QB.
His schtick is wearing thin already.
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I'd be surprised if he gets another HC interview in the NFL. College more likely. I could see him going back to NE as a position coach, maybe coordinator.
His final season crash was epic. Handley wasn't that bad.
Your whole “Judge is worse than Handley” routine is getting silly. You are old enough to remember the players that were still on that team, and the team that reeves took to the playoffs the year after he left.
Ray Handley wasn't a good coach. But his teams didn't fall apart. And he never melted down in press conferences or embarrassed the franchise by running QB sneaks on 2nd and 3rd in long. For all his warts, Handley's teams played the best teams in the NFL tough. Beating the 49ers. Losing close games to eventual Super Bowl Champ Redskins and Cowboys.
By the end, Judge's teams were getting blown out every week, including by teams picking in the top 10.
Coughlins offense. And there’s no Beckham to save his ass.
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In comment 15564998 Eric from BBI said:
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I'd be surprised if he gets another HC interview in the NFL. College more likely. I could see him going back to NE as a position coach, maybe coordinator.
His final season crash was epic. Handley wasn't that bad.
Your whole “Judge is worse than Handley” routine is getting silly. You are old enough to remember the players that were still on that team, and the team that reeves took to the playoffs the year after he left.
Ray Handley wasn't a good coach. But his teams didn't fall apart. And he never melted down in press conferences or embarrassed the franchise by running QB sneaks on 2nd and 3rd in long. For all his warts, Handley's teams played the best teams in the NFL tough. Beating the 49ers. Losing close games to eventual Super Bowl Champ Redskins and Cowboys.
By the end, Judge's teams were getting blown out every week, including by teams picking in the top 10.
He had Lawrence fucking Taylor! Jesus. Judge was coaching a AAA team with backups at quarterback. Handley had all pros!
The first thing Simms said when Reeves held his first meeting was “Were going to start winning again” because of how shitty Handleys culture was. Come on man.
I hear what you are saying, but we were embarrassed by Handley because what had been a Super Bowl team got surpassed by the Redskins and Cowboys. I still contend Parcells knew it was a good time to get out. Regardless, Handley's teams were competitive with the best.
Again, Joe Judge's teams couldn't even compete with the worst teams.
I'd take Handley over Judge.
Exactly.
Chris, Handley wasn't a good head coach. Joe Judge isn't a good head coach.
Handley did more with more. Judge did less with less.
But Judge's teams were embarrassing to watch. Judge's teams became a joke. His pressers became an embarrassment. And by the end, he ended up being more cringeworthy.
You and I are going to disagree on this.
But Handley (if he's still alive) has to be thanking Judge at this point.
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I'd be surprised if he gets another HC interview in the NFL. College more likely. I could see him going back to NE as a position coach, maybe coordinator.
His final season crash was epic. Handley wasn't that bad.
Your whole “Judge is worse than Handley” routine is getting silly. You are old enough to remember the players that were still on that team, and the team that reeves took to the playoffs the year after he left.
Silly indeed
LOL
Back to offensive coordinator 5 years after the fact for a coach on a seat so hot it's on fire.
If so, watch your back Sam Darnold & Cam Newton.
Geno Smith is legitimately a better option than either of those guys at this point.
Talking Heads.
As for all three (McAdoo,Shurmur, and Judge), I feel bad for all of them because both JR and DG failed to fix the trenches, which IMO was the team's biggest handicap.
In the interim, time to bring that old Sy Syms suit out of mothballs Ben. Good luck.
Yeah, I figure with Rhule's seat being nuclear hot, not many OCs were going to jump on board, so he was stuck looking at guys like McAdoo.
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if Rhule doesn't start producing. There was a report Rhule had reached out to Chip Kelly. Guess nothing came of that.
In the interim, time to bring that old Sy Syms suit out of mothballs Ben. Good luck.
Yeah, I figure with Rhule's seat being nuclear hot, not many OCs were going to jump on board, so he was stuck looking at guys like McAdoo.
...it's also why if Judge had survived, our OC next year would almost undoubtedly have been Kitchens.
Except...
"Handley's communication with the media became another reason for his dismissal, as he would often refuse to answer questions, even going as far as walking out of one press conference after being asked about his handling of Hostetler and Simms as the team's starting quarterback. He scoffed at the question, calling it "ridiculous" and unfair to him and his quarterbacks. After the reporter persisted about why he wouldn't answer the question, Handley stormed out, telling the rest of the reporters to "get him straightened out.""
My guess is Judge is least likely. Those two weird press conferences probably sealed his fate along with the his new innovative QB sneak offense.
Shurmur has to be the least likely to get another NFL HC gig.
Not counting his 1 game fill-in as the Eagles HC in 2015, Shumrur went 18-46 (.281 winning %) in 4 years as a HC for two teams. I doubt there has ever been an NFL HC with a .281 winning percentage who got a 3rd chance to be a HC.
As for Judge, his team got blown out late in the season because he had Glennon and Fromme at QB and no healthy WRs to throw to.
Judge's bad pressers can be chalked up to inexperience dealing with the big bad NY press. Plus, during those weird pressers, there was really no memorable phrase that people will hang him with.
Judge is still young. When he's ready to coach again he'll get hired by Saban or Belicheck. Judge will eventually become an NFL coordinator, a successful college HC and then back to the NFL as a HC.
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to see is if McAdoo, Shurmur, or Judge ever get a whiff of another HC job.
My guess is Judge is least likely. Those two weird press conferences probably sealed his fate along with the his new innovative QB sneak offense.
Shurmur has to be the least likely to get another NFL HC gig.
Not counting his 1 game fill-in as the Eagles HC in 2015, Shumrur went 18-46 (.281 winning %) in 4 years as a HC for two teams. I doubt there has ever been an NFL HC with a .281 winning percentage who got a 3rd chance to be a HC.
As for Judge, his team got blown out late in the season because he had Glennon and Fromme at QB and no healthy WRs to throw to.
Judge's bad pressers can be chalked up to inexperience dealing with the big bad NY press. Plus, during those weird pressers, there was really no memorable phrase that people will hang him with.
Judge is still young. When he's ready to coach again he'll get hired by Saban or Belicheck. Judge will eventually become an NFL coordinator, a successful college HC and then back to the NFL as a HC.
....and one more point on Handley, albeit an off the field issue, it was widely known throughout New Jersey of his being caught in a compromising situation by New Jersey State Troopers. They did not press charges due to his position with the Giants, but it was not a well hidden secret.
And as to Judge, young coach put in an impossible situation with a "the most injured team in recent history" led to the results we saw, in addition to the lack of any Oline and/or depth.
Judge is young enough that if he goes back to a coordinator position and rebuilds his reputation, 5-10 years from now he may get another crack at it...especially considering the positive relationships he built with his players and Mara.
Mornhinweg had success later on as an OC/positional coach, but he never got a sniff again as HC, as far as I remember.
I could see Judge becoming a head coach in the college ranks. In hindsight, it would have been better for him & us if he went to Starksville in 2020.
Everybody gets at least a second chance. The guy has Saban and Belichick on his resume. That matters a lot to a lot of people. Bill o'Brien wrecked a franchise from the top down with draft pick, trade, and cap mismanagement and all he needed was a year or two on Saban's staff to get another shot.
It was terrible.
“ Handley was officially fired on December 30, 1992, and replaced by former Denver Broncos head coach Dan Reeves. Following his departure, Handley would disappear from the NFL and the public eye. He now resides in the Lake Tahoe area. Before Super Bowl XLII in 2008 when the Giants were playing the Patriots, a reporter unearthed Handley's unlisted home telephone number and called him, in the hopes of talking about the Giants. Handley was unhappy at being contacted, and after being told it was for a "where are they now" interview, he said "No, I'm not the least bit interested. Thank you very much." and hung up the phone, making his lone post-firing public statement a very brief one.”
Can anyone name another ex-HC who withdrew so completely from public life after being fired?
Feel badly for him.
O'Brien was over .500, had 5 out 6 winning seasons (can't count 2020 because he was fired after 4 game), made the playoffs 4 times, and won two playoff games. Plus, he made the playoffs before Watson arrived with Fitz/Hoyer/Osweiler/etc.
The guy was a competent NFL coach. As a GM? Well, that's a different story and certainly sullies his tenure there.
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to see is if McAdoo, Shurmur, or Judge ever get a whiff of another HC job.
My guess is Judge is least likely. Those two weird press conferences probably sealed his fate along with the his new innovative QB sneak offense.
Shurmur has to be the least likely to get another NFL HC gig.
Not counting his 1 game fill-in as the Eagles HC in 2015, Shumrur went 18-46 (.281 winning %) in 4 years as a HC for two teams. I doubt there has ever been an NFL HC with a .281 winning percentage who got a 3rd chance to be a HC.
As for Judge, his team got blown out late in the season because he had Glennon and Fromme at QB and no healthy WRs to throw to.
Judge's bad pressers can be chalked up to inexperience dealing with the big bad NY press. Plus, during those weird pressers, there was really no memorable phrase that people will hang him with.
Judge is still young. When he's ready to coach again he'll get hired by Saban or Belicheck. Judge will eventually become an NFL coordinator, a successful college HC and then back to the NFL as a HC.
....and one more point on Handley, albeit an off the field issue, it was widely known throughout New Jersey of his being caught in a compromising situation by New Jersey State Troopers. They did not press charges due to his position with the Giants, but it was not a well hidden secret.
And as to Judge, young coach put in an impossible situation with a "the most injured team in recent history" led to the results we saw, in addition to the lack of any Oline and/or depth.
Judge is young enough that if he goes back to a coordinator position and rebuilds his reputation, 5-10 years from now he may get another crack at it...especially considering the positive relationships he built with his players and Mara.
Please give a little more detail into this incident.
Judge I think would have to answer for his press conference meltdowns, and the qb sneaks. Those would be hard to forget.
His best argument would indeed be "I had Jake Fromm at QB ad a roster put together by Dave Gettleman", but I don't know if throwing other people under the bus would sell.
McAdoo's path to HC is clear - have success as an OC especially one who develops a young QB ala Daboll with Allen. If that happens he will get another shot. That 11-5 looks damned good on a resume. Not predicting it will happen just saying he's got the opportunity whereas a year or so ago it was hard to imagine.
Shurmur is done unless he gets an interim gig and makes something out of it - very unlikely.
I would rank Mac dead last of the three. Running 3 wides every play when all our WRs were hurt and we were playing guys off the street was the dumbest thing I have ever witnessed. He is an ass.
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but he was light years better as a coach than Judge or Shurmur.
I would rank Mac dead last of the three. Running 3 wides every play when all our WRs were hurt and we were playing guys off the street was the dumbest thing I have ever witnessed. He is an ass.
It's just the opposite extreme of Judge running qb sneaks to set up punts.
Joe Judge just quit on attempting to compete and kicked the can to the defense to try to save the day.
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In comment 15565510 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 15564928 Eric from BBI said:
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to see is if McAdoo, Shurmur, or Judge ever get a whiff of another HC job.
My guess is Judge is least likely. Those two weird press conferences probably sealed his fate along with the his new innovative QB sneak offense.
Shurmur has to be the least likely to get another NFL HC gig.
Not counting his 1 game fill-in as the Eagles HC in 2015, Shumrur went 18-46 (.281 winning %) in 4 years as a HC for two teams. I doubt there has ever been an NFL HC with a .281 winning percentage who got a 3rd chance to be a HC.
As for Judge, his team got blown out late in the season because he had Glennon and Fromme at QB and no healthy WRs to throw to.
Judge's bad pressers can be chalked up to inexperience dealing with the big bad NY press. Plus, during those weird pressers, there was really no memorable phrase that people will hang him with.
Judge is still young. When he's ready to coach again he'll get hired by Saban or Belicheck. Judge will eventually become an NFL coordinator, a successful college HC and then back to the NFL as a HC.
....and one more point on Handley, albeit an off the field issue, it was widely known throughout New Jersey of his being caught in a compromising situation by New Jersey State Troopers. They did not press charges due to his position with the Giants, but it was not a well hidden secret.
And as to Judge, young coach put in an impossible situation with a "the most injured team in recent history" led to the results we saw, in addition to the lack of any Oline and/or depth.
Judge is young enough that if he goes back to a coordinator position and rebuilds his reputation, 5-10 years from now he may get another crack at it...especially considering the positive relationships he built with his players and Mara.
Please give a little more detail into this incident.
Judge I think would have to answer for his press conference meltdowns, and the qb sneaks. Those would be hard to forget.
His best argument would indeed be "I had Jake Fromm at QB ad a roster put together by Dave Gettleman", but I don't know if throwing other people under the bus would sell.
It’s pretty sordid, and was many years ago now, but pretty sure you can still find details via internet search. In short, it’s not a surprise Handley completely withdrew from public life and moved across the country after he got fired