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O'Connor: Giants were Schoen's 1st choice over Bears

GFAN52 : 1/21/2022 2:24 pm
Ian O'Connor
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The Giants were never terribly concerned that Joe Schoen might take an offer from the Bears or anyone else because Schoen told them during the process that they were his No. 1 choice.
If asked, he probably would tell every team that.  
smshmth8690 : 1/21/2022 2:27 pm : link
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Bears are worse than us IMO.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/21/2022 2:28 pm : link
And that pizza...disgusting!
He told them?  
illmatic : 1/21/2022 2:29 pm : link
What’s he going to say during an interview? “Well, uh… I prefer the Bears roster but here I am in case you guys want to hire me. But if Miami comes calling then screw both of you guys.”
That’s impossible..  
Chris in Philly : 1/21/2022 2:30 pm : link
I read that Schoen was fantasizing about having Justin Fields in the fold.
From a roster perspective the Giants are attractive  
Go Terps : 1/21/2022 2:30 pm : link
There are zero sacred cows. Schoen can (and should) treat this like an expansion team and start from zero.
RE: Bears are worse than us IMO.  
M.S. : 1/21/2022 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15565082 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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And that pizza...disgusting!

Sunday, January 2nd, 2022

Chicago Bears 29
New York Giants 03
Meanwhile, in Chicago...  
Ben in Tampa : 1/21/2022 2:38 pm : link
"that mother fucker told us we were his #1 choice!"
The Bears GM won't be reporting to ownership  
Strahan91 : 1/21/2022 2:40 pm : link
but to Ted Phillips who has been with the org since 1984. The structure their is actually more toxic than its been for the Giants (if you can believe it). 23 years as team president and only 6 playoff births to show for it
RE: The Bears GM won't be reporting to ownership  
AcidTest : 1/21/2022 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15565127 Strahan91 said:
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but to Ted Phillips who has been with the org since 1984. The structure their is actually more toxic than its been for the Giants (if you can believe it). 23 years as team president and only 6 playoff births to show for it


^This. Their end of season news conference was even crazier than Judge's 11 minute rant.
RE: From a roster perspective the Giants are attractive  
RCPhoenix : 1/21/2022 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15565097 Go Terps said:
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There are zero sacred cows. Schoen can (and should) treat this like an expansion team and start from zero.


As long as he can really clean house in the front office.
I am glad that he is smart enough to say that.  
chuckydee9 : 1/21/2022 2:44 pm : link
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So much for the hometown factor ...  
Spider56 : 1/21/2022 2:52 pm : link
Born in Elkhart and went to Depauw. Both fairly close to Chicago.
Mara wanted to hire him right then and there  
Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2022 2:56 pm : link
"You love the Giants? Me too!!! BFFs!!!"

And yes I am making a joke.
McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
bw in dc : 1/21/2022 2:56 pm : link
I don't know how anyone could watch that and feel good about working for the Bears.

McCaskey made it clear he's hiring the HC and the GM.

He made Mara seem competent.
Makes sense  
Sammo85 : 1/21/2022 3:05 pm : link
I suspect Beane was also an influence/mentor on his decision a bit.

He does get more leeway I think with Giants than Bears and better operational control.

Bears job has a lot of historical appeal too, but the current ownership and structure looks too troublesome.

RE: McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
Sammo85 : 1/21/2022 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15565172 bw in dc said:
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I don't know how anyone could watch that and feel good about working for the Bears.

McCaskey made it clear he's hiring the HC and the GM.

He made Mara seem competent.


Yup. It was terrifying. I know a few Bears fans who have said they will never win again until they get new owners.
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Jimmy Googs : 1/21/2022 3:07 pm : link

RE: RE: McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/21/2022 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15565195 Sammo85 said:
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I don't know how anyone could watch that and feel good about working for the Bears.

McCaskey made it clear he's hiring the HC and the GM.

He made Mara seem competent.



Yup. It was terrifying. I know a few Bears fans who have said they will never win again until they get new owners.


Well, I think the Giants play them again this upcoming season so...
RE: McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
Chris in Philly : 1/21/2022 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15565172 bw in dc said:
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I don't know how anyone could watch that and feel good about working for the Bears.

McCaskey made it clear he's hiring the HC and the GM.

He made Mara seem competent.


And yet you spent hours regaling us that Chicago was the better situation. Fun times.
McCaskey's incompetence  
Mike in NY : 1/21/2022 3:37 pm : link
Plus not everyone was a fan of Justin Fields. There is a reason other QB needy teams decided to roll the dice on DB's rather than taking Fields or Mac Jones. Not to mention lacking a 1st Round pick in 2022 Draft makes it difficult to fill needs.
RE: If asked, he probably would tell every team that.  
Section331 : 1/21/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15565077 smshmth8690 said:
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Right? Who goes into an interview with "if this other employer doesn't offer me a job, I'll go with you guys"?
RE: RE: McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
bw in dc : 1/21/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15565267 Chris in Philly said:
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And yet you spent hours regaling us that Chicago was the better situation. Fun times.


I never said Chicago was the better situation. I said, and I quote, "If the tiebreaker is QB"...

The conversation was about which QB situation was better.

It's disappointing that comprehension is still such a problem area for you.
RE: RE: RE: McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
Big Blue '56 : 1/21/2022 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15565323 bw in dc said:
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And yet you spent hours regaling us that Chicago was the better situation. Fun times.



I never said Chicago was the better situation. I said, and I quote, "If the tiebreaker is QB"...

The conversation was about which QB situation was better.

It's disappointing that comprehension is still such a problem area for you.


Yes, Fields was very impressive! He made some great throws? Bfd. So did Jones at times..Fields may become solid, but I wouldn’t base it on what I saw last year. And I watched most of the Bears game on GamePass because of my rooting interest in the Bears first we received
well even that point I'd go Giants  
UConn4523 : 1/21/2022 3:57 pm : link
Fields was a mess in 2021. A few flashes, but a mess otherwise. Based on everything I read here being saddled with someone else's QB is a deterrent not an attraction so clean slate Giants seems to be the more ideal QB situation, no?
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BrettNYG10 : 1/21/2022 3:59 pm : link
Have the Giants ever heard of lying? Has anyone told a job interviewer that their firm isn't their first choice?
RE: well even that point I'd go Giants  
BrettNYG10 : 1/21/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15565334 UConn4523 said:
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Fields was a mess in 2021. A few flashes, but a mess otherwise. Based on everything I read here being saddled with someone else's QB is a deterrent not an attraction so clean slate Giants seems to be the more ideal QB situation, no?


I agree. Maybe someone like Trevor Lawrence (a consensus #1 pick, etc.) would change my mind. But Fields isn't that.
RE: Meanwhile, in Chicago...  
mitch300 : 1/21/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15565120 Ben in Tampa said:
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"that mother fucker told us we were his #1 choice!"

LOL
RE: RE: RE: RE: McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
bw in dc : 1/21/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15565333 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15565323 bw in dc said:

I never said Chicago was the better situation. I said, and I quote, "If the tiebreaker is QB"...

The conversation was about which QB situation was better.

It's disappointing that comprehension is still such a problem area for you.



Yes, Fields was very impressive! He made some great throws? Bfd. So did Jones at times..Fields may become solid, but I wouldn’t base it on what I saw last year. And I watched most of the Bears game on GamePass because of my rooting interest in the Bears first we received


Field struggled - no doubt. But watch those San Fran, Pitt, and Green Bay games in the second half of the year. There are some high-level splash plays he made both with his arm and his legs. It's a very impressive skill set.

Unfortunately, he may be stuck in organization hell playing for that dolt McCaskey. That guy is a real problem.
RE: RE: McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15565267 Chris in Philly said:
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I don't know how anyone could watch that and feel good about working for the Bears.

McCaskey made it clear he's hiring the HC and the GM.

He made Mara seem competent.



And yet you spent hours regaling us that Chicago was the better situation. Fun times.


Yup, he said Justin Fields was the reason Schoen would choose Chicago over NYG, when the prospect of rebuilding NYG from the ground is much more appealing than being saddled with a QB he didn't draft
Schoen certainly evaluated Fields when interviewing with Chicago  
dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:19 pm : link
The Bears probably said he couldn't trade him because they spent two first round picks to select him. Schoen probably thought he could get a better QB for NYG (not Jones, somebody else not on the roster currently) and thought the QB situation actually is better here than Chicago because of that
RE: RE: RE: McCaskey's press conference was very concerning...  
bw in dc : 1/21/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15565362 dpinzow said:
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Yup, he said Justin Fields was the reason Schoen would choose Chicago over NYG, when the prospect of rebuilding NYG from the ground is much more appealing than being saddled with a QB he didn't draft


I said if the tiebreaker is QB, the Bears were the better option.

But McCaskey is hiring HIS HC. So, Schoen couldn't hire his HC like he'll be able to do here. The division of power and decisions making in Chicago make the GM job weaker than here.

Hope that adds color to your world.

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dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15565403 bw in dc said:
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Yup, he said Justin Fields was the reason Schoen would choose Chicago over NYG, when the prospect of rebuilding NYG from the ground is much more appealing than being saddled with a QB he didn't draft



I said if the tiebreaker is QB, the Bears were the better option.

But McCaskey is hiring HIS HC. So, Schoen couldn't hire his HC like he'll be able to do here. The division of power and decisions making in Chicago make the GM job weaker than here.

Hope that adds color to your world.


If Schoen thought Fields was a franchise QB he's picking Chicago over NY for sure. No pressure on him if the franchise QB is there. He just has to pick the rest of the roster and they're contenders, regardless of the ownership mess in Chicago.

NYG were contenders with Coughlin and Eli from 2005-2012 with John Mara owning the team, so if you get the right HC and franchise QB it's possible to contend anywhere, even Chicago, as dysfunctional as they are
Honest people don't tell  
fkap : 1/21/2022 4:34 pm : link
every prospective employer they are his #1 choice. They tell the 2nd and below places they are very interested in the position and leave it at that.

I hope Schoen is an honest man, and if he told Mara the Giants were the number one choice, then the Giants were indeed the number one.
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Chris in Philly : 1/21/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15565403 bw in dc said:
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Yup, he said Justin Fields was the reason Schoen would choose Chicago over NYG, when the prospect of rebuilding NYG from the ground is much more appealing than being saddled with a QB he didn't draft



I said if the tiebreaker is QB, the Bears were the better option.

But McCaskey is hiring HIS HC. So, Schoen couldn't hire his HC like he'll be able to do here. The division of power and decisions making in Chicago make the GM job weaker than here.

Hope that adds color to your world.


Why on earth would QB be the tiebreaker when you have just outlined why the situations are not remotely equal?

Disclaimer: I know I am wasting my time by arguing with a professional troll that has done this for 25 years. I guess I am just feeling nostalgic.
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dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15565418 Chris in Philly said:
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Yup, he said Justin Fields was the reason Schoen would choose Chicago over NYG, when the prospect of rebuilding NYG from the ground is much more appealing than being saddled with a QB he didn't draft



I said if the tiebreaker is QB, the Bears were the better option.

But McCaskey is hiring HIS HC. So, Schoen couldn't hire his HC like he'll be able to do here. The division of power and decisions making in Chicago make the GM job weaker than here.

Hope that adds color to your world.




Why on earth would QB be the tiebreaker when you have just outlined why the situations are not remotely equal?

Disclaimer: I know I am wasting my time by arguing with a professional troll that has done this for 25 years. I guess I am just feeling nostalgic.


BW in DC was part of the clown show with Judge
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bw in dc : 1/21/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15565418 Chris in Philly said:
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I said if the tiebreaker is QB, the Bears were the better option.

But McCaskey is hiring HIS HC. So, Schoen couldn't hire his HC like he'll be able to do here. The division of power and decisions making in Chicago make the GM job weaker than here.

Hope that adds color to your world.




Why on earth would QB be the tiebreaker when you have just outlined why the situations are not remotely equal?

Disclaimer: I know I am wasting my time by arguing with a professional troll that has done this for 25 years. I guess I am just feeling nostalgic.


I didn't realize until recently that McCaskey was not going to let the GM hire the HC.
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Snablats : 1/21/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15565418 Chris in Philly said:
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Yup, he said Justin Fields was the reason Schoen would choose Chicago over NYG, when the prospect of rebuilding NYG from the ground is much more appealing than being saddled with a QB he didn't draft



I said if the tiebreaker is QB, the Bears were the better option.

But McCaskey is hiring HIS HC. So, Schoen couldn't hire his HC like he'll be able to do here. The division of power and decisions making in Chicago make the GM job weaker than here.

Hope that adds color to your world.




Why on earth would QB be the tiebreaker when you have just outlined why the situations are not remotely equal?

Disclaimer: I know I am wasting my time by arguing with a professional troll that has done this for 25 years. I guess I am just feeling nostalgic.

I'm glad someone else sees this. BW is so obviously a troll who knows zero. Schoen will turn this around and BW will disappear, and hopefully take go terps, the other troll, with him
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bw in dc : 1/21/2022 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15565423 dpinzow said:
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BW in DC was part of the clown show with Judge


Look, I don't mind insults and attacking my positions. But at least show some creativity.

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dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15565441 bw in dc said:
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BW in DC was part of the clown show with Judge



Look, I don't mind insults and attacking my positions. But at least show some creativity.


That one hit a little close to home, I think
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bw in dc : 1/21/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15565449 dpinzow said:
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BW in DC was part of the clown show with Judge



Look, I don't mind insults and attacking my positions. But at least show some creativity.




That one hit a little close to home, I think


Uh, no. But keeping stepping in the batter's box and taking your swings.
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dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15565455 bw in dc said:
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BW in DC was part of the clown show with Judge



Look, I don't mind insults and attacking my positions. But at least show some creativity.




That one hit a little close to home, I think



Uh, no. But keeping stepping in the batter's box and taking your swings.


There's an old saying, "a hit dog hollers".

Continuing to respond to me indicates you're a hit dog hollering pretty loudly
Sir loin  
Bigislandfan : 1/21/2022 6:05 pm : link
That deep dish shit is pretty difficult to fold plus who the hell wants to eat pizza with a knife and fork.
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paesan98 : 1/21/2022 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15565323 bw in dc said:
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And yet you spent hours regaling us that Chicago was the better situation. Fun times.



I never said Chicago was the better situation. I said, and I quote, "If the tiebreaker is QB"...

The conversation was about which QB situation was better.

It's disappointing that comprehension is still such a problem area for you.


I don't think you can say Chicago's QB situation is better. He had a less than stellar rookie year. All anyone can do at this point is hope that he gets better. That's not a given. If the Bears hire Jason Garrett as their OC, Fields could look as bad as Jones has the last two years.
RE: Sir loin  
UConn4523 : 1/21/2022 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15565636 Bigislandfan said:
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That deep dish shit is pretty difficult to fold plus who the hell wants to eat pizza with a knife and fork.


Being able to hold it is a requirement. It isn’t pizza.
I do not think Terps or  
section125 : 1/21/2022 6:46 pm : link
bw are trolls. They have strong opinions which I have disagreed with. But they have been pretty doggone consistent in what they have said about DG, JJ and Jones. They were right on DG and JJ. I somewhat agree, well more than somewhat agree, on DJ. At this point, I do not DJ think is the guy - the Rams game was my turning point. I think he is a lower level starting QB.
Yeah, I don't view GT or BW as 'trolls.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 6:48 pm : link
They've been pretty critical of the Giants lately. And with good reason obviously.
RE: I do not think Terps or  
BigBlueShock : 1/21/2022 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15565725 section125 said:
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bw are trolls. They have strong opinions which I have disagreed with. But they have been pretty doggone consistent in what they have said about DG, JJ and Jones. They were right on DG and JJ. I somewhat agree, well more than somewhat agree, on DJ. At this point, I do not DJ think is the guy - the Rams game was my turning point. I think he is a lower level starting QB.

Terps is definitely not a troll. bw in dc absolutely is. His history on here is plenty proof of that. Many years ago he had an equally strong opinion as to how badly the Giants sucked and then he disappeared into thin air as soon as TC and Eli started to win Super Bowls. He left the site. For years. As soon as things started to go downhill again he came back. I’ve seen Terps be positive when the team earns it. bw in dc goes dark when there’s nothing to complain about
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JCin332 : 1/21/2022 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15565741 BigBlueShock said:
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bw are trolls. They have strong opinions which I have disagreed with. But they have been pretty doggone consistent in what they have said about DG, JJ and Jones. They were right on DG and JJ. I somewhat agree, well more than somewhat agree, on DJ. At this point, I do not DJ think is the guy - the Rams game was my turning point. I think he is a lower level starting QB.


Terps is definitely not a troll. bw in dc absolutely is. His history on here is plenty proof of that. Many years ago he had an equally strong opinion as to how badly the Giants sucked and then he disappeared into thin air as soon as TC and Eli started to win Super Bowls. He left the site. For years. As soon as things started to go downhill again he came back. I’ve seen Terps be positive when the team earns it. bw in dc goes dark when there’s nothing to complain about


This +1000...sad how so many quality posters are gone but this guy remains...
Such as who?  
Jimmy Googs : 1/21/2022 9:52 pm : link
name a few...
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bw in dc : 1/21/2022 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15565653 paesan98 said:
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I never said Chicago was the better situation. I said, and I quote, "If the tiebreaker is QB"...

The conversation was about which QB situation was better.

It's disappointing that comprehension is still such a problem area for you.



I don't think you can say Chicago's QB situation is better. He had a less than stellar rookie year. All anyone can do at this point is hope that he gets better. That's not a given. If the Bears hire Jason Garrett as their OC, Fields could look as bad as Jones has the last two years.


Why can't I say that?

Look at our QB situation. Jones's future is uncertain. When he's healthy, is game is wildly inconsistent. And he struggles to stay healthy. So our QB situation is completely up in the air. Until we have ANY direction, I don't think it's unreasonable to say Chicago at least has a very talented, young, athletic QB.

My view is Fields is a more talented QB than Jones. And he showed some very interesting flashes.

Let's see what direction the Bears go with HC, GM, OC, etc. If I'm a Bears fan, I'm not feeling great about the actions of McClaskey.
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dancing blue bear : 1/22/2022 12:38 am : link
In comment 15565403 bw in dc said:
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Yup, he said Justin Fields was the reason Schoen would choose Chicago over NYG, when the prospect of rebuilding NYG from the ground is much more appealing than being saddled with a QB he didn't draft



I said if the tiebreaker is QB, the Bears were the better option.

But McCaskey is hiring HIS HC. So, Schoen couldn't hire his HC like he'll be able to do here. The division of power and decisions making in Chicago make the GM job weaker than here.

Hope that adds color to your world.


Just to clarify… being stick with fields for at least 2 years is better then being able to cut Jones tomorrow? Just wanna make sure I got that right. Thanks for playing…
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