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mushroom : 1/21/2022 3:04 pm
Revamping. Did it take weeks,months or years?
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BleedBlue : 1/21/2022 3:07 pm : link
each situation is different.

I think lets just focus on FA and the draft. you never really know. truth is with a good draft, the giants could be a 500 team next year. its not like we were getting slaughtered when jones was playing. dont forget too, we had a ton of key injuries.

a solid draft and some manuevering of the roster would go a long way as weould a NEW coach. JJ was awful. honestly daboll hasnt been a HC and id bet he is at least 1 win bettert han judge LOL

Current success  
Bryanjints : 1/21/2022 3:07 pm : link
Has been building for 4 or 5 years.
Yep 4 or 5 years being Beane's right hand guy  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/21/2022 3:08 pm : link
completely rebuilding the organization from the ground up.
I can see why everyone wanted to poach  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/21/2022 3:08 pm : link
Seattle staff. Not sure why Buffalo is the gold standard now, its just Josh Allen and mortgaging your future trading for all-world route runner Diggs (which was a good trade for now).
a decade or two ago  
KDavies : 1/21/2022 3:09 pm : link
they were one of the most dysfunctional front offices in football (sound familiar). The turnaround has been remarkable there
RE: I can see why everyone wanted to poach  
santacruzom : 1/21/2022 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15565209 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Seattle staff. Not sure why Buffalo is the gold standard now, its just Josh Allen and mortgaging your future trading for all-world route runner Diggs (which was a good trade for now).


On the other hand, maybe you could say those were really good decisions that not every front office staff would have made?
They were in a similar hellish cap situation  
Strahan91 : 1/21/2022 3:17 pm : link
just as we are when Beane/Schoen arrived. They wound up eating dead money to trade players who had value for draft picks to clear the decks for future moves. I'd expect we'll see something similar here this offseason.
RE: I can see why everyone wanted to poach  
Strahan91 : 1/21/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15565209 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Seattle staff. Not sure why Buffalo is the gold standard now, its just Josh Allen and mortgaging your future trading for all-world route runner Diggs (which was a good trade for now).

The Bills roster isn't just Allen, Diggs and a bunch of scrubs. They've got one of the best defenses in the league.
Do not underestimate the role of Sean McDermott in turning the  
Spider56 : 1/21/2022 3:19 pm : link
Bills around ... he had 12 years with Andy Reid and 6 with Ron Rivera. He’s the main reason for their success.
They made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor  
Section331 : 1/21/2022 3:21 pm : link
in McDermott's first year as HC, then (understandably) struggled in Josh Allen's rookie year. They've been lights out since.

They've built a quality team, but I think the one thing a lot of people overlook is that they have a hell of a HC.
Any insight into how fast they changed things inside the organization  
mushroom : 1/21/2022 3:21 pm : link
Staff (all depts),structure etc just not roster?Thanks
RE: Do not underestimate the role of Sean McDermott in turning the  
Section331 : 1/21/2022 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15565234 Spider56 said:
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Bills around ... he had 12 years with Andy Reid and 6 with Ron Rivera. He’s the main reason for their success.


Or what Spidey said.
RE: They were in a similar hellish cap situation  
81_Great_Dane : 1/21/2022 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15565227 Strahan91 said:
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just as we are when Beane/Schoen arrived. They wound up eating dead money to trade players who had value for draft picks to clear the decks for future moves. I'd expect we'll see something similar here this offseason.
I hope so, even if it means a terrible W-L record this coming season.
The Bills completely turned their drafting around.  
Red Dog : 1/21/2022 3:55 pm : link
Back before about 2017 their drafting record was just effing awful. Worse than Gettleman's if you can believe it. Choice after choice after choice was a major miss.

But in the last four or five years, they have had some very good drafts and that is the basis of their major improvements, but not the whole story.

They took a big, big, big chance on Josh Allen, who had a college reputation as an inaccurate thrower, and were able to turn him into a really good player, possibly the most dangerous QB in the league right now. He's the real key to their success.

Their OL still leaves something to be desired, but it's a lot better than it was six or seven years ago, mostly through the draft although they have turned over some draftees (like G John Miller and G Wyatt Teller) who just didn't work out the way they thought they would, but that shows just how hard it is to build a decent line in this era of spread offenses where the OLs don't have to do much beyond get in the way. They drafted OLT Dion Dawkins, who I wanted the GIANTS to take, and turned him into a pro bowler. And they signed C Mitch Morse as a vet free agent to kind of finalize it. OT Spencer Brown, drafted last spring, looks like another good find.

The rest of the supporting cast includes Dawson Knox, an emerging star TE who was a mid-round draft choice, drafted WR Gabe Davis who you don't hear a lot about but has made some big plays for them, and some key veteran acquisitions including Stefan Diggs, Cole Beasley, and Emanual Sanders. RBs Singletary and Moss aren't really anything special, but not bad, and both are draftees.

On defense, they hit gold with CB Tre White who is one of the very best in the league, and found a mid-round gem in OLB Matt Milano. MLB Tremaine Edwards is still a kid, but he can play sideline-to-sideline. Their DL is pretty deep and constantly re-inforced with guys who aren't all-pros but who can play. They don't have a dominant pass rusher, but they have several guys who can get it done. Their two excellent Safeties, Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde, were both acquired as veteran free agents in that same time frame.

And as noted, they have had some very good coaching leadership from McDermott and his staff. Daboll has done a great job with Allen and the offense, and Leslie Frazier has done a masterful job with the D.

However, somebody said that they play GIANTS football. They most definitely do not do that. Buffalo beats you with scheme, roster depth, unusual or improvised plays, great effort, and veteran smarts. They are not the most physical team around and it shows when they play teams like the Titans who beat the shit out of them physically. Just like the K-gun teams (including the one the G-men beat in the Super Bowl), pound the shit out of them physically and you can beat them.

Still, everything considered, this is the best Bills team since the Marv Levy era, a legitimate Super Bowl contender, and Schoen had a hand in building it.
Great info Red Dog  
Dr. D : 1/21/2022 5:30 pm : link
Thanks!
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