Stapleton: If Flores becomes HC, O'Brien could be OC

I would enjoy that

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Should we really be doubling down on the Patriots coaching tree?

Not of O’Brien

Stats as DC

Forget about what anyones opinion is of O’Brien, the real issue is that he’s looking to be a HC again. So there’s a chance he’d be here for all of one season, if that. It’s just not sustainable to be changing OCs every season or two.

In comment 15565261 Eliyah said:

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Should we really be doubling down on the Patriots coaching tree?

Both of these guys have a long enough track record of their own to evaluate them on. The "coaching tree" is irrelevant.

Watson at QB?

In comment 15565266 BigBlueShock said:

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Forget about what anyones opinion is of O’Brien, the real issue is that he’s looking to be a HC again. So there’s a chance he’d be here for all of one season, if that. It’s just not sustainable to be changing OCs every season or two.

That would likely mean we had a successful offense. I'll take it.

In comment 15565279 Mike in NY said:

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Watson at QB?

😂😂

lets hope we have learned our lesson

Outside of his "3" (one official/two unofficial) years 2009-2011 as OC with Tom Brady + the stacked Patriots offensive roster all of his offenses as HC with the Texans were in the bottom half of the league. (Average 18th)

Not exactly a resume I want for an OC to fix this offense.

In comment 15565281 Bogey said:

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In comment 15565266 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Forget about what anyones opinion is of O’Brien, the real issue is that he’s looking to be a HC again. So there’s a chance he’d be here for all of one season, if that. It’s just not sustainable to be changing OCs every season or two. That would likely mean we had a successful offense. I'll take it.

Actually, I wouldn’t. I don’t want to go back, yet again, to the offensive drawing board

But never, under any circumstances, let him do the shopping.

In comment 15565261 Eliyah said:

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Should we really be doubling down on the Patriots coaching tree?

My thought as well. Assembling BB guys without BB. Is that really a good idea?

In comment 15565292 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15565281 Bogey said: Quote: In comment 15565266 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Forget about what anyones opinion is of O’Brien, the real issue is that he’s looking to be a HC again. So there’s a chance he’d be here for all of one season, if that. It’s just not sustainable to be changing OCs every season or two. That would likely mean we had a successful offense. I'll take it. Actually, I wouldn’t. I don’t want to go back, yet again, to the offensive drawing board

You have a position coach or "passing game coordinator" or some similar role that is basically the OC in waiting if O'Brien was to get a Head Coach job.

In comment 15565301 81_Great_Dane said:

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In comment 15565261 Eliyah said: Quote: Should we really be doubling down on the Patriots coaching tree? My thought as well. Assembling BB guys without BB. Is that really a good idea?

As coordinators, it's fine. Some have success, some don't. No one things Bob is a bad OC. The issue anyone should have with it is he will leave at the first good job offer.

In comment 15565303 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15565292 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 15565281 Bogey said: Quote: In comment 15565266 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Forget about what anyones opinion is of O’Brien, the real issue is that he’s looking to be a HC again. So there’s a chance he’d be here for all of one season, if that. It’s just not sustainable to be changing OCs every season or two. That would likely mean we had a successful offense. I'll take it. Actually, I wouldn’t. I don’t want to go back, yet again, to the offensive drawing board You have a position coach or "passing game coordinator" or some similar role that is basically the OC in waiting if O'Brien was to get a Head Coach job.

That’s much easier if the HC is an offensive guy and it’s his system. Flores is not an offensive guy so when the OC leaves, so does his offense. Just blindly relying on some random QB coach to be able to step in and run some else’s offense is a recipe for disaster

Say it ain't so, Joe!

No thank you.

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In comment 15565303 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15565292 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 15565281 Bogey said: Quote: In comment 15565266 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Forget about what anyones opinion is of O’Brien, the real issue is that he’s looking to be a HC again. So there’s a chance he’d be here for all of one season, if that. It’s just not sustainable to be changing OCs every season or two. That would likely mean we had a successful offense. I'll take it. Actually, I wouldn’t. I don’t want to go back, yet again, to the offensive drawing board You have a position coach or "passing game coordinator" or some similar role that is basically the OC in waiting if O'Brien was to get a Head Coach job.

True, but not buying. History often shows us that ubderlings of a coordinator don’t always perform as well as their departing boss did..Will they make the same quick/smart decisions their predecessor did? Will the QB on the field be as in sync? Maybe, maybe not

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In comment 15565264 bigblue12 said:

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Not of O’Brien

+1

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are happening. Good HC with a talented team you move on. "Next Coach Up".

Fuck you!

No Fuck You!

In comment 15565341 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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Fuck you! No Fuck You!

😂😂

And keep Graham?
I am kidding but how crushing would be scenario?

What a way to start this off with a crazy talented QB!

In comment 15565340 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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are happening. Good HC with a talented team you move on. "Next Coach Up".

Exactly. Look how after last season BBI was concerned Graham might get offered a HC job.

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In comment 15565359 GiantBlue said:

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What a way to start this off with a crazy talented QB!

Early test of “carte blanche”.

Flores I can buy. I want no party Bill O'Brien.

Brady docs on ESPN - Man in the Arena?

Brady and his teammates called O'Brien the "Tea Pot". He would just start to boil and boil with anger and then explode. It was pretty funny, and BO was a good sport about it.

He sucked in HOU and Bama fans all complained about how unimaginative his offense was.

His offense in Houston was to let Watson run for his life and improvise.

In comment 15565543 GMen72 said:

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He sucked in HOU and Bama fans all complained about how unimaginative his offense was. His offense in Houston was to let Watson run for his life and improvise.

O'Brien had a good record in Houston under some very difficult circumstances with the QB position. In basically six seasons (he was fired 4 games into 2020), he made the playoffs 4 out of those 6 seasons. And in his first year they were 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

O'Brien was 52-48 overall. He won games with the likes of Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Osweiller, Weeden, etc.

I'm sort of neutral on this idea, but O'Brien can coach football.

That’s an interesting link - O’Brien seems like a dick but haven’t his offenses usually been good?

O’Brien would do such a great job with this offense, he’d get a HC job? How did that work out for Garrett?

A QB NFL teams wanted to draft. That makes him a goddamm miracle worker. That said not sure it would work.

After the hole he left HOU in?

I really don’t like O’Brien at all. Arrogant and was an absolutely terrible coach. Really hope it’s not Flores either. Daboll, Quinn, or Harbaugh. I’d prefer the experience but I’m warming to the idea of Daboll.