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I think we need to temper our expectations...

EricJ : 1/21/2022 4:14 pm
for this coming season. Lets remember this GM is dealing with a shitty cap situation, a QB issue, and many holes to fill. More gaping holes than draft picks and our available cap dollars can fill.

We tend to get too excited and have lofty expectations after significant changes like this.

There is a long way to go. We still have to see who our coaches are going to be and no idea what the roster will look like. That said.. finishing at .500 next season would be an accomplishment
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 4:15 pm : link
Team is going to suck this fall.
RE: ...  
JohnG in Albany : 1/21/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15565365 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Team is going to suck this fall.


Correct.

Expectations problem solved.

RE: ...  
Big Blue '56 : 1/21/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15565365 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Team is going to suck this fall.


That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts
I don’t buy that  
Ben in Tampa : 1/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
The NFL is built for parity.

Do I expect playoffs and a super bowl run? No

Can the Giants be competitive? Yes
RE: I don’t buy that  
JohnG in Albany : 1/21/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15565374 Ben in Tampa said:
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The NFL is built for parity.

Do I expect playoffs and a super bowl run? No

Can the Giants be competitive? Yes




Normally I would agree, but the OL problem is so bad, it's a multi-year fix, especially given the cap situation.

No OL, no O. *grin*
4 years of suck:  
Joe Beckwith : 1/21/2022 4:22 pm : link
One more won’t matter.

I’m optimistic, until I have a reason NOT to be.
3 to 5 wins  
M.S. : 1/21/2022 4:22 pm : link

In 2022.

That has been my expectation since last October.
doesn't seem like anyone  
bigbluehoya : 1/21/2022 4:23 pm : link
has expectations to the contrary.

We want to see actions that indicate the embrace of a thoughtful and sustainable rebuild, and ultimately some flashes of football that evidence movement in the right direction.

The thing I'm most keen to see is how Schoen and team approach the de-tangling of the cap situation, ideally in a fashion that stockpiles some future draft picks. It's sticky.

The last regime left a mess severe enough that only the foolhardy would expect an short path to playoff football.
The key is to draft wisely....  
MOOPS : 1/21/2022 4:24 pm : link
and build on that. Five picks in the top 80. It would be nice to set a foundation with those to build upon.
I’m expecting a real shitty year  
DonnieD89 : 1/21/2022 4:24 pm : link
What’s one more year, as long as it is going in the right direction. When we build the offensive line, they are going to be a lot of growing pains. Let’s face it, the office will continue to be bad next year. It’s going to take 2 to 3 years for the offense of line to demonstrate cohesion. The defensive side should be fun to watch, particularly if they get a new talented edge rusher and plugging a few holes at linebacker. A silver lining is that we should get another high draft pick for 2023 and experience for the newer players.
The only expectation...  
bw in dc : 1/21/2022 4:24 pm : link
I have right now is for Schoen to choose his own HC.
yea  
djm : 1/21/2022 4:25 pm : link
sorry I don't wanna hear about the cap. Build a fucking team. Not asking to spend like drunken sailors this spring, not even asking to spend at all, just build a team. Fuck this cap nonsense, it's a built in excuse.

Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.

We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.

I Have No Problem Being Patient  
BlueVinnie : 1/21/2022 4:26 pm : link
as long as you begin to see at least some improvement in year 2.

I think 2022 will suck.
I hope 2023 will see us winning 7 to 9 games.
I hope we can be a contender in 2024.
I hope we begin kicking ass in 2025.
I've got no problem with that timeline.

This assumes we find a new QB no later than 2023.
Yup- one step at a time  
Dave on the UWS : 1/21/2022 4:26 pm : link
Hire the right coach, then he has to put a "proper" staff together. Then the work on the roster can start. SOO many steps before they even step back on the field. Can't even think about wins and losses yet.
Nobody should be expecting much next year.  
The_Boss : 1/21/2022 4:28 pm : link
The roster is still going to blow ass, and another year of double digit losses is probably necessary (especially if we hope there's a potential franchise QB in the 2023 draft), but as long as the new FO and HC get to evaluate what we have here, they can attack the 2023 offseason with the goal of having a team that could be more of a pain in the ass to play than anything we've seen out of the DG era NYG. If that's a playoff team, great! I would welcome being the 2021 Eagles in 2023. Suck it up for one more year and then we should start to see tangible progress in 2023.
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/21/2022 4:28 pm : link
if we play tough, well disciplined, enthusiastic and aggressive and get our asses handed to us every week, we are doing it right.
First time GM, potentially a first time HC ...  
Spider56 : 1/21/2022 4:30 pm : link
I have no expectations ... hope yes, expectations no.

But it cannot be any worse than the past few years.
Sorry  
jc in c-ville : 1/21/2022 4:30 pm : link
After 2021, things will most definitely be more positive. No fucking Glennon, no fucking half assed coaching, no fucking references to Dave, no fucking post game press conferences that left us all speechless. Finally, no fucking Sunday mornings were we collectively debate on whether we can score a touchdown, much less win. Nobody here believes this team will finish at the top but hopefully everyone here can enjoy progress from a legitimate GM and coaching staff that will install a new mentality with this fucking corpse of an organization.
again  
djm : 1/21/2022 4:31 pm : link
if this team was about to enter true cap hell where they'd have NO money to spend at all, how the fuck were they going to sign Daniel Jones long term IF he blew up in 2021 and arrived as a star player? The answer? They would have signed him long term. Trust me there.

It's not cap hell as much as the team is just bad. There are some big contracts that need to play well, Galladay for one thing, but why can't he bounce back with a better staff and system in place? Maybe we don't really need a WR.

Coach these overpaid contracts up and turn this shit around.
?  
GiantGrit : 1/21/2022 4:31 pm : link
We hired a new GM less than 6 hours ago. I don’t think anyone here expects Rome next year.

Its about time we had something to root for because the on field product has sucked.

We hired an outside GM, who has been apart of 3 different organizations and truly worked his way up the chain. Its exciting. At this point we have no idea how his tenure will play out, but as a fan today is a good day.
3 to 5 wins In 2022  
Trainmaster : 1/21/2022 4:31 pm : link
^^^

This

(An hopefully with a lot of young players on the roster with the arrow clearly pointed up at the end of the season)
He gets  
Les in TO : 1/21/2022 4:31 pm : link
A long leash. The cap is a mess, the org culture is a mess and he’s got a lot of needs to fill both players coaching scouting and management.

If he chooses a punter and kicker with the 5 and 7 picks, we can revisit!

I think most  
Sammo85 : 1/21/2022 4:35 pm : link
folks are level-headed about current situation and new regime needing a year to really coalesce top to bottom. It's a clean slate, new ship sailing here from get go with GM/HC.

I think folks might be surprised as to how quickly some decisions or changes may be made on roster and players. NFL is like that nowadays.

But otherwise, expectations are tepid beyond simply asking for some competitive football and development of young talent.

2023 is where hopefully bigger decisions are made and putting in right philosophy and building blocks forward (getting a new QB, being rid of Barkley, Jones, Golladay, and some of the declining vets on D).
I just want them to score more than 30 points  
RCPhoenix : 1/21/2022 4:36 pm : link
and finish the season well.

It may seem like a low bar, and I don't expect them to win many games, but this past season was some of the most boring and difficult to watch Giants' football I've ever seen. and it got worse with each week.

RE: 3 to 5 wins  
Ivan15 : 1/21/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15565380 M.S. said:
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In 2022.

That has been my expectation since last October.


More optimistic than you. 6-7 wins would represent progress. I really hope we don’t get a rookie HC. At least an experienced HC would have a plan and a schedule to follow. No more using the first 4 games of the season as an extended preseason.
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Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2022 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15565371 Big Blue '56 said:
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Team is going to suck this fall.



That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts


The only people who go nuts when this team has a bad season are the ones who thought they would be good for some reason. 90% of the board expect them to be bad and they are correct.

Next season is a rebuilding season. The goal is to finally make progress after going backwards for 4 years, not to make the playoffs.
We have expectations?  
Boatie Warrant : 1/21/2022 4:39 pm : link
I think my expectation is for him to find the right staff and strip most of it down.
I would sincerely consider a .500 season . . . .  
TC : 1/21/2022 4:41 pm : link
a major accomplishment. But I think that might be a reachable goal if the new regime can get some of the existing talent on the roster functional, like Golladay and Toney, add a couple competent, not necessarily all-pro's via free agency or the draft, and beef up OL via draft.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/21/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15565431 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15565365 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Team is going to suck this fall.



That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts



The only people who go nuts when this team has a bad season are the ones who thought they would be good for some reason. 90% of the board expect them to be bad and they are correct.

Next season is a rebuilding season. The goal is to finally make progress after going backwards for 4 years, not to make the playoffs.


If you expect them to be BAD, then why complain when they are? All the complaints lodged at the team were expected, so again, why complain?
RE: yea  
bw in dc : 1/21/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15565390 djm said:
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sorry I don't wanna hear about the cap. Build a fucking team. Not asking to spend like drunken sailors this spring, not even asking to spend at all, just build a team. Fuck this cap nonsense, it's a built in excuse.

Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.

We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.


I mean this with all sincerity - don't ever change. Your view of the cap is one of the more entertaining bits on this board.
RE: ...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/21/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15565365 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Team is going to suck this fall.


problem solved
Many have low expectations  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/21/2022 4:44 pm : link
I am hoping by midseason we see a very young OL starting to show they are going to be a tough, physical unit that is just getting started. Defense that is young, fast and physical. Team that battles four quarters but it is clear they need more talent and experience. I'll be thrilled if all this happens and they win 2 games.
Buffalo's first season with Schoen as assistant GM to Beane  
dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:44 pm : link
was 2018. Bills went 6-10
No  
Producer : 1/21/2022 4:46 pm : link
Have high expectations.

Never let up.

No long turnarounds.
RE: RE: yea  
JonC : 1/21/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15565443 bw in dc said:
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sorry I don't wanna hear about the cap. Build a fucking team. Not asking to spend like drunken sailors this spring, not even asking to spend at all, just build a team. Fuck this cap nonsense, it's a built in excuse.

Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.

We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.




I mean this with all sincerity - don't ever change. Your view of the cap is one of the more entertaining bits on this board.


Right? Go on down with your ship, cappy.
RE: Buffalo's first season with Schoen as assistant GM to Beane  
The_Boss : 1/21/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15565446 dpinzow said:
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was 2018. Bills went 6-10


I'll sign up for 5-12 if it means we identify a franchise altering player in the next draft and we can acquire him, preferably a QB. I don't think that player is available this coming April
Honestly  
JonnyR : 1/21/2022 4:47 pm : link
I'd settle for beginning to build a roster with talent that we can be proud of and enjoy watching. Towards the end of the season, all I had to enjoy was Andrew Thomas playing like a good pro lineman and not much else.
They're going to be bad next year. Not only does this team not have  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/21/2022 4:48 pm : link
good players, they don't have any depth. We have no idea if we have a QB.

Look on the bright side, if we made the right choice of GM, he'll have lots of draft capital again in 2023. I expect to see some progress at least that September.
RE: RE: yea  
djm : 1/21/2022 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15565443 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15565390 djm said:


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sorry I don't wanna hear about the cap. Build a fucking team. Not asking to spend like drunken sailors this spring, not even asking to spend at all, just build a team. Fuck this cap nonsense, it's a built in excuse.

Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.

We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.




I mean this with all sincerity - don't ever change. Your view of the cap is one of the more entertaining bits on this board.


Remember last year? No huh....ok


No one remembers the countless times this place has acted like it knew something about the cap only to see reality dictate something completely different. Last year was especially hilarious...

Hey, whatever works. Please feel free to twist my words into some other mess for you to parse and digest. We know that's the point of things on here.
There isn't even a coach. Who has expectations of anything?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2022 4:49 pm : link
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RE: RE: Buffalo's first season with Schoen as assistant GM to Beane  
dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15565454 The_Boss said:
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was 2018. Bills went 6-10



I'll sign up for 5-12 if it means we identify a franchise altering player in the next draft and we can acquire him, preferably a QB. I don't think that player is available this coming April


Neither do I at the QB position. The only one I think has the tools is Willis and he probably needs a year behind a stopgap veteran. Plus even with Willis' athletic gifts, he's not on Josh Allen's level when it comes to throwing the ball. We just hired a GM who played perhaps the most important role in drafting Josh Allen
RE: yea  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/21/2022 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15565390 djm said:
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sorry I don't wanna hear about the cap. Build a fucking team. Not asking to spend like drunken sailors this spring, not even asking to spend at all, just build a team. Fuck this cap nonsense, it's a built in excuse.

Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.

We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.


We didn't have money last year. They actively made their offensive line worse and moved a high dollar playerr in order to have the cap room to buy a WR and TE in free agency.

As for the salary cap, if Schoen wanted  
dpinzow : 1/21/2022 4:52 pm : link
he could get rid of $50 million in contracts if he wanted, sign some guys to plug in positions (not stars, but serviceable vets), hit on the draft picks, and easily be a better team this year than last year
cap hell is such an over used term anyway  
djm : 1/21/2022 4:53 pm : link
cap hell to me means you cannot re-sign a special player or two. You have to either FT a great QB or FT a player you want to sign long term but don't have the long term space or capital, and really, a lot of evidence point to long term space being the key to cap space anyway. We saw that last year.

They have some issues this coming offseason but this isn't nearly the catastrophic situation many here are proclaiming but if you want to feel that way, be my guest.

Still wondering how this team would have re-signed Daniel Jones long term since there's no space at all. No one seems to know. Truly wonderous.



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Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2022 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15565438 Big Blue '56 said:
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Team is going to suck this fall.



That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts



The only people who go nuts when this team has a bad season are the ones who thought they would be good for some reason. 90% of the board expect them to be bad and they are correct.

Next season is a rebuilding season. The goal is to finally make progress after going backwards for 4 years, not to make the playoffs.



If you expect them to be BAD, then why complain when they are? All the complaints lodged at the team were expected, so again, why complain?


I'm not sure who you are saying was complaining about the team being bad. People complained the management was bad and needed to be changed. Finally it was.

I can't think of literally a single poster complaining because the team was underperforming what was expected of them. The problem is nothing was expected of them.
in 2021  
JonC : 1/21/2022 4:55 pm : link
the Giants were capped out and awful. Prospects for 2022 are not much better, and carving out an additional $30M means fuck all if you're being genuine about it. That's the point, being awful and broke is a poor, shite look.

If you disagree, you're not getting the picture.
People need...  
EliisGod77 : 1/21/2022 4:56 pm : link
...to have a little faith. The team this year was most weeks in games, and with some good drafting and some luck this GM and a new coach could have us playing some meaningful football again next year. How many games did the Giants give away this year before Daniel Jones got hurt and we were forced to play with practice team scrubs? Im tired of all the negativity, things can only improve from here on out.
look at the Rams  
djm : 1/21/2022 4:57 pm : link
and Bucs and some other teams. Really compare how many long term big deals they have compared to NYG. Look at the VET star power those teams employ and ask yourself how it's possible with the "STATIC" cap figure.

Now, that's the rub. The Giants fucking suck so they shouldn't be paying that much money out, but this isn't a roster FILLED with long term contracts that we cannot cleanse for 2-3 years, not by any stretch. We're talking 2-3 players that might be hard to move and that's assuming a guy like Galloday bombs again next season.

This is a one year deal where we might want to let things purge and go with a lot of kids in 2022 but this team will have room to spend sooner than later.

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Big Blue '56 : 1/21/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15565470 Mike from Ohio said:
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Team is going to suck this fall.



That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts



The only people who go nuts when this team has a bad season are the ones who thought they would be good for some reason. 90% of the board expect them to be bad and they are correct.

Next season is a rebuilding season. The goal is to finally make progress after going backwards for 4 years, not to make the playoffs.



If you expect them to be BAD, then why complain when they are? All the complaints lodged at the team were expected, so again, why complain?



I'm not sure who you are saying was complaining about the team being bad. People complained the management was bad and needed to be changed. Finally it was.

I can't think of literally a single poster complaining because the team was underperforming what was expected of them. The problem is nothing was expected of them.


Seriously, you can’t think of a single poster who knocked the team? Just management? C’mon, really?
RE: in 2021  
djm : 1/21/2022 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15565473 JonC said:
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the Giants were capped out and awful. Prospects for 2022 are not much better, and carving out an additional $30M means fuck all if you're being genuine about it. That's the point, being awful and broke is a poor, shite look.

If you disagree, you're not getting the picture.


Just acknowledge one thing --everyone here was wrong this time last year. I was told there was no money where would it come from. And then there was money.

Fair enough?

PS, I said there would be some financial hamstring issues this year, but it won't be that bad. I am seeing it.
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