for this coming season. Lets remember this GM is dealing with a shitty cap situation, a QB issue, and many holes to fill. More gaping holes than draft picks and our available cap dollars can fill.
We tend to get too excited and have lofty expectations after significant changes like this.
There is a long way to go. We still have to see who our coaches are going to be and no idea what the roster will look like. That said.. finishing at .500 next season would be an accomplishment
Correct.
Expectations problem solved.
That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts
Do I expect playoffs and a super bowl run? No
Can the Giants be competitive? Yes
Do I expect playoffs and a super bowl run? No
Can the Giants be competitive? Yes
Normally I would agree, but the OL problem is so bad, it's a multi-year fix, especially given the cap situation.
No OL, no O. *grin*
I’m optimistic, until I have a reason NOT to be.
In 2022.
That has been my expectation since last October.
We want to see actions that indicate the embrace of a thoughtful and sustainable rebuild, and ultimately some flashes of football that evidence movement in the right direction.
The thing I'm most keen to see is how Schoen and team approach the de-tangling of the cap situation, ideally in a fashion that stockpiles some future draft picks. It's sticky.
The last regime left a mess severe enough that only the foolhardy would expect an short path to playoff football.
Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.
We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.
I think 2022 will suck.
I hope 2023 will see us winning 7 to 9 games.
I hope we can be a contender in 2024.
I hope we begin kicking ass in 2025.
I've got no problem with that timeline.
This assumes we find a new QB no later than 2023.
But it cannot be any worse than the past few years.
It's not cap hell as much as the team is just bad. There are some big contracts that need to play well, Galladay for one thing, but why can't he bounce back with a better staff and system in place? Maybe we don't really need a WR.
Coach these overpaid contracts up and turn this shit around.
Its about time we had something to root for because the on field product has sucked.
We hired an outside GM, who has been apart of 3 different organizations and truly worked his way up the chain. Its exciting. At this point we have no idea how his tenure will play out, but as a fan today is a good day.
This
(An hopefully with a lot of young players on the roster with the arrow clearly pointed up at the end of the season)
If he chooses a punter and kicker with the 5 and 7 picks, we can revisit!
I think folks might be surprised as to how quickly some decisions or changes may be made on roster and players. NFL is like that nowadays.
But otherwise, expectations are tepid beyond simply asking for some competitive football and development of young talent.
2023 is where hopefully bigger decisions are made and putting in right philosophy and building blocks forward (getting a new QB, being rid of Barkley, Jones, Golladay, and some of the declining vets on D).
It may seem like a low bar, and I don't expect them to win many games, but this past season was some of the most boring and difficult to watch Giants' football I've ever seen. and it got worse with each week.
In 2022.
That has been my expectation since last October.
More optimistic than you. 6-7 wins would represent progress. I really hope we don’t get a rookie HC. At least an experienced HC would have a plan and a schedule to follow. No more using the first 4 games of the season as an extended preseason.
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Team is going to suck this fall.
That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts
The only people who go nuts when this team has a bad season are the ones who thought they would be good for some reason. 90% of the board expect them to be bad and they are correct.
Next season is a rebuilding season. The goal is to finally make progress after going backwards for 4 years, not to make the playoffs.
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Team is going to suck this fall.
That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts
The only people who go nuts when this team has a bad season are the ones who thought they would be good for some reason. 90% of the board expect them to be bad and they are correct.
Next season is a rebuilding season. The goal is to finally make progress after going backwards for 4 years, not to make the playoffs.
If you expect them to be BAD, then why complain when they are? All the complaints lodged at the team were expected, so again, why complain?
Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.
We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.
I mean this with all sincerity - don't ever change. Your view of the cap is one of the more entertaining bits on this board.
problem solved
Never let up.
No long turnarounds.
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sorry I don't wanna hear about the cap. Build a fucking team. Not asking to spend like drunken sailors this spring, not even asking to spend at all, just build a team. Fuck this cap nonsense, it's a built in excuse.
Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.
We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.
I mean this with all sincerity - don't ever change. Your view of the cap is one of the more entertaining bits on this board.
Right? Go on down with your ship, cappy.
I'll sign up for 5-12 if it means we identify a franchise altering player in the next draft and we can acquire him, preferably a QB. I don't think that player is available this coming April
Look on the bright side, if we made the right choice of GM, he'll have lots of draft capital again in 2023. I expect to see some progress at least that September.
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sorry I don't wanna hear about the cap. Build a fucking team. Not asking to spend like drunken sailors this spring, not even asking to spend at all, just build a team. Fuck this cap nonsense, it's a built in excuse.
Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.
We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.
I mean this with all sincerity - don't ever change. Your view of the cap is one of the more entertaining bits on this board.
Remember last year? No huh....ok
No one remembers the countless times this place has acted like it knew something about the cap only to see reality dictate something completely different. Last year was especially hilarious...
Hey, whatever works. Please feel free to twist my words into some other mess for you to parse and digest. We know that's the point of things on here.
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was 2018. Bills went 6-10
I'll sign up for 5-12 if it means we identify a franchise altering player in the next draft and we can acquire him, preferably a QB. I don't think that player is available this coming April
Neither do I at the QB position. The only one I think has the tools is Willis and he probably needs a year behind a stopgap veteran. Plus even with Willis' athletic gifts, he's not on Josh Allen's level when it comes to throwing the ball. We just hired a GM who played perhaps the most important role in drafting Josh Allen
Reminder, we had no money last year either. I was told that 100 times if I was told it once.
We aren't in cap hell. I've seen cap hell, this aint it.
We didn't have money last year. They actively made their offensive line worse and moved a high dollar playerr in order to have the cap room to buy a WR and TE in free agency.
They have some issues this coming offseason but this isn't nearly the catastrophic situation many here are proclaiming but if you want to feel that way, be my guest.
Still wondering how this team would have re-signed Daniel Jones long term since there's no space at all. No one seems to know. Truly wonderous.
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Team is going to suck this fall.
That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts
The only people who go nuts when this team has a bad season are the ones who thought they would be good for some reason. 90% of the board expect them to be bad and they are correct.
Next season is a rebuilding season. The goal is to finally make progress after going backwards for 4 years, not to make the playoffs.
If you expect them to be BAD, then why complain when they are? All the complaints lodged at the team were expected, so again, why complain?
I'm not sure who you are saying was complaining about the team being bad. People complained the management was bad and needed to be changed. Finally it was.
I can't think of literally a single poster complaining because the team was underperforming what was expected of them. The problem is nothing was expected of them.
If you disagree, you're not getting the picture.
Now, that's the rub. The Giants fucking suck so they shouldn't be paying that much money out, but this isn't a roster FILLED with long term contracts that we cannot cleanse for 2-3 years, not by any stretch. We're talking 2-3 players that might be hard to move and that's assuming a guy like Galloday bombs again next season.
This is a one year deal where we might want to let things purge and go with a lot of kids in 2022 but this team will have room to spend sooner than later.
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Team is going to suck this fall.
That’s what they say now, but WHEN/IF it happens watch the board go nuts
The only people who go nuts when this team has a bad season are the ones who thought they would be good for some reason. 90% of the board expect them to be bad and they are correct.
Next season is a rebuilding season. The goal is to finally make progress after going backwards for 4 years, not to make the playoffs.
If you expect them to be BAD, then why complain when they are? All the complaints lodged at the team were expected, so again, why complain?
I'm not sure who you are saying was complaining about the team being bad. People complained the management was bad and needed to be changed. Finally it was.
I can't think of literally a single poster complaining because the team was underperforming what was expected of them. The problem is nothing was expected of them.
Seriously, you can’t think of a single poster who knocked the team? Just management? C’mon, really?
If you disagree, you're not getting the picture.
Just acknowledge one thing --everyone here was wrong this time last year. I was told there was no money where would it come from. And then there was money.
Fair enough?
PS, I said there would be some financial hamstring issues this year, but it won't be that bad. I am seeing it.