for this coming season. Lets remember this GM is dealing with a shitty cap situation, a QB issue, and many holes to fill. More gaping holes than draft picks and our available cap dollars can fill.
We tend to get too excited and have lofty expectations after significant changes like this.
There is a long way to go. We still have to see who our coaches are going to be and no idea what the roster will look like. That said.. finishing at .500 next season would be an accomplishment
And further, the great TL will never be the QB that Burrow is, imv..
We’ll know a lot more by April.
We’ll know a lot more by April.
With a new GM? New HC? No way, imv
I am not going to argue this with any expended energy as we have always been at polar opposites with regards to Jones. No one knows how he would have fared the last 6 games, though with the scrubs on the OL, I would concede not all that well..
No one is right or wrong on DJ until the GZm and new HC decide his fate which we probably won’t know until the end of next season.
I have no problem bringing in competition for DJ..I’m just leery about expending another high pick on a QB..
Not trying to convince you on Jones. I think you have to at least bring in someone to compete for the job. He has done nothing IMV to warrant coming in as the presumed starter. After three years we are still waiting to catch more than the faintest glimpse of what he was drafted to be.
The starting QB has to earn the spot and I can’t make an argument that Jones has.
Accruing dead money isn’t always a problem. It’s often the least bad outcome from a bad decision.
Of course the best outcome is the player living up to his deal, but you should never continue paying a guy more over sunk costs.
The Giants will in all likelihood accrue a good chunk of dead money after cutting Shepard, Rudolph, Dixon, and potentially Ryan and Martinez as well.
Look for a nice pickup in his game production next season. He’s figuring it out...
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when he had to, with his legs as well..He had no business even going 4-7 with that OL and no real running game..
I am not going to argue this with any expended energy as we have always been at polar opposites with regards to Jones. No one knows how he would have fared the last 6 games, though with the scrubs on the OL, I would concede not all that well..
No one is right or wrong on DJ until the GZm and new HC decide his fate which we probably won’t know until the end of next season.
I have no problem bringing in competition for DJ..I’m just leery about expending another high pick on a QB..
Not trying to convince you on Jones. I think you have to at least bring in someone to compete for the job. He has done nothing IMV to warrant coming in as the presumed starter. After three years we are still waiting to catch more than the faintest glimpse of what he was drafted to be.
The starting QB has to earn the spot and I can’t make an argument that Jones has.
Ok, that’s fair
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There is a chance they do a “quiet tank” in 2022. Doesn’t mean anyone will say it out loud and the team will still be working hard but the whole objective of the team will shift to youth and player development. They’ll try to win but realistically won’t be able to. Reward: a very high pick in a year with a clearly strong draft class.
We’ll know a lot more by April.
With a new GM? New HC? No way, imv
We will be able to tell if Schoen is aggressive in disposing of vets with big contracts. Golladay and Bradberry - neither of whom will be on the team for our next playoff game - are the names I’m watching.
Maybe “youth movement” is a better term than “quiet tank.”
I've had enough with high priced stopgaps (Solder! Golladay!) and just want them to cut salary and stay the hell out of free agency so that they can rebuild this roster. If that means watching a bunch of young but talented players go 4-13 next season then that's a hell of a lot better than watching a bunch of aging veterans and journeymen go 4-13 again.
Right about what? You keep saying this and I’d like to know right about what?
1-We ALL knew about the OL, but no one knew that Gates and Lemieux would be gone before the season started
2-None of us knew that the QB of our defense, a key cog, Martinez,would also be lost before the season started.
3-We all knew that in all likelihood Barkley might take more than a year to get back to himself. We were hoping that was not the case. You do realize that Barkley’s normal conditioning and prep for the season had to be scrapped in favor of nothing but rehab, yes?
4-Despite what BBIers were calling the worst OL in football, the team with the worst or close to the worst talent in football, somehow Jones was able to help the team go 4-7 (which easily could have been reversed if the D didn’t falter at the end. How TF did that happen with arguably the worst personnel in football?
5-Golladay was injured on and off all year and then had no QB to throw him the ball for the final 6 games
6-Toney had covid keep him out and other assorted injuries throughout the season, but when he was on the field, he was often electric. I expect big things moving forward.
So tell me who was right? That is who knew what we all didn’t know?
JFC. In week 1, with a pretty healthy team, the Giants couldn’t keep up with a very average Denver team.
Football is a violent sport. And the teams we played had injuries, too.
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There is a chance they do a “quiet tank” in 2022. Doesn’t mean anyone will say it out loud and the team will still be working hard but the whole objective of the team will shift to youth and player development. They’ll try to win but realistically won’t be able to. Reward: a very high pick in a year with a clearly strong draft class.
We’ll know a lot more by April.
With a new GM? New HC? No way, imv
We will be able to tell if Schoen is aggressive in disposing of vets with big contracts. Golladay and Bradberry - neither of whom will be on the team for our next playoff game - are the names I’m watching.
Maybe “youth movement” is a better term than “quiet tank.”
Yeah, youth movement sounds good..:)
I've been hearing this for 10 years how it's going to take some time to see some changes ....
Well? I'm still waiting. Last time the Giants won a playoff game my cousin (who is going to college in 8 months) was 7 years old.
Cut the deadweight and bring in some good players. Duh.
I want to see the young guys improve and the draft picks look like they belong. On a broader level I’d like to see a team that doesn’t constantly look confused, can get lined up correctly, and doesn’t waste time outs because they don’t seem organized at all.
I don’t expect them to hit .500 but if I see those things I will feel like things are turning around.
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Right about what? You keep saying this and I’d like to know right about what?
1-We ALL knew about the OL, but no one knew that Gates and Lemieux would be gone before the season started
2-None of us knew that the QB of our defense, a key cog, Martinez,would also be lost before the season started.
3-We all knew that in all likelihood Barkley might take more than a year to get back to himself. We were hoping that was not the case. You do realize that Barkley’s normal conditioning and prep for the season had to be scrapped in favor of nothing but rehab, yes?
4-Despite what BBIers were calling the worst OL in football, the team with the worst or close to the worst talent in football, somehow Jones was able to help the team go 4-7 (which easily could have been reversed if the D didn’t falter at the end. How TF did that happen with arguably the worst personnel in football?
5-Golladay was injured on and off all year and then had no QB to throw him the ball for the final 6 games
6-Toney had covid keep him out and other assorted injuries throughout the season, but when he was on the field, he was often electric. I expect big things moving forward.
So tell me who was right? That is who knew what we all didn’t know?
JFC. In week 1, with a pretty healthy team, the Giants couldn’t keep up with a very average Denver team.
Football is a violent sport. And the teams we played had injuries, too.
But that was one game. We stunk. Judge and co., for whatever reason didn’t have us prepared in a game that featured a team we should have opened with a win against..I don’t believe that many other teams had cluster injuries like we had for an entire year..
You know when a good quarterback is in a bad situation because all of you have seen what it looks like with the Giants and around the league. I dont know why we're still looking at this with clouded vision.
Eli, a good but no longer excellent QB was in a bad situation. a bad OL for the last 5 years of his career and could still rally the team for points and made plays and dragged the subpar roster around him to competitive losses. He was never consistently inept in the red zone, and never thoughtless enough to be reckless with his body knowing his own importance to the team.
Any QB who is actually worth it, you know when you see it. You don't have to ask the question of "do you pick up the option or give him a 5th year" because he answers that question for you.
The window people expect for Jones is closing fast. They are not going to be able to plug every numerous hole in the OL and surround him with the firepower he might need to be carried to franchise QB production in this one offseason. He has 1/5th of an OL, will be learning a new offense, and injury prone WRs that miss games.
Fuck that
There is some players on the team. The defense should be solid with good coaching.
Draft well. Coach well. I expect the team to compete. And anyone else that doesn’t let’s see what tune you sing September, and december.
The league is built on parity and the division stinks. Im not saying a deep run but not f they are not in the mix week 16, 17 I will be disappointed
Fuck that
There is some players on the team. The defense should be solid with good coaching.
Draft well. Coach well. I expect the team to compete. And anyone else that doesn’t let’s see what tune you sing September, and december.
The league is built on parity and the division stinks. Im not saying a deep run but not f they are not in the mix week 16, 17 I will be disappointed
Yes. Yes.