for the Giants going forward. In the past, the Giants were always a height, weight, speed type of drafting team. Long arms, good height. A guy like Nakobe Dean would not have typically been high on their radar since he is short. I am most interested to see if Schoen has a "type" of athlete he likes or does not like for the organization.
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Mike Kaye
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Speaking with a few NFL folks about new #Giants GM Joe Schoen this afternoon, consistent feedback has been “good eye for talent.”
The problem was, they have been consistently awful at player development, whether the coach was Coughlin, McAdoo, Shurmur or Judge. (There are exceptions, but not enough of them.) Those players with great measurables turned out not to be good NFL players. Whether that's because the measurables didn't mean that much or because the team's development regime stunk, or both, I don't know.
There's also the issue that to thrive at the NFL level, players need drive, ambition, competitiveness and work ethic. They have to want to excel and be willing to pay a price for that excellence. (Think of Jerry Rice's obsessive workouts.) I think a lot of the talented athletes the Giants drafted have lacked that mental part of the game.
1. Allen
2. Oliver
3. Edmonds
That sounds like they would look for exceptional traits, Allen - arm strength/athleticism, Oliver - speed/explosiveness, Edmonds - range/size
And decided they could live with the deficiencies, Allen - accuracy concerns, Oliver - size
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good football players. I'm more concerned with results than body type
The Giants have seemed to think that they could develop guys who had the measurables, turn talented athletes with the right physical traits into good football players.
The problem was, they have been consistently awful at player development, whether the coach was Coughlin, McAdoo, Shurmur or Judge. (There are exceptions, but not enough of them.) Those players with great measurables turned out not to be good NFL players. Whether that's because the measurables didn't mean that much or because the team's development regime stunk, or both, I don't know.
There's also the issue that to thrive at the NFL level, players need drive, ambition, competitiveness and work ethic. They have to want to excel and be willing to pay a price for that excellence. (Think of Jerry Rice's obsessive workouts.) I think a lot of the talented athletes the Giants drafted have lacked that mental part of the game.
this +1000% seems like we've been obsessed with measurables and athletic ability for years over choosing pure football talent
1. Allen
2. Oliver
3. Edmonds
That sounds like they would look for exceptional traits, Allen - arm strength/athleticism, Oliver - speed/explosiveness, Edmonds - range/size
And decided they could live with the deficiencies, Allen - accuracy concerns, Oliver - size
This would make me think Evan Neal (size), Stingley (athleticism//ball skills) and Hamilton (size/range) would be very high on Schoens list. I’d also add Linderbaum (movement skills) but I doubt the positional value aligns with #5 or #7 overall.