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It will be interesting to see if the type of player changes

bigblue12 : 1/21/2022 5:51 pm
for the Giants going forward. In the past, the Giants were always a height, weight, speed type of drafting team. Long arms, good height. A guy like Nakobe Dean would not have typically been high on their radar since he is short. I am most interested to see if Schoen has a "type" of athlete he likes or does not like for the organization.
Reese certainly liked his measurables  
BigBlue7 : 1/21/2022 5:53 pm : link
But he also drafted someone like Justin Pugh
I just hope he drafts  
Bill in UT : 1/21/2022 5:53 pm : link
good football players. I'm more concerned with results than body type
RE: Reese certainly liked his measurables  
Jack Stroud : 1/21/2022 7:08 pm : link
Isn't Pugh on a team in the playoffs?
Allen and Edmunds would seem similar to the Reese school  
adamg : 1/21/2022 7:09 pm : link
Of measurables.
RE: RE: Reese certainly liked his measurables  
montanagiant : 1/21/2022 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15565780 Jack Stroud said:
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Isn't Pugh on a team in the playoffs?

Not anymore
Posted this in another thread, but applies to this one too...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 7:11 pm : link
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Speaking with a few NFL folks about new #Giants GM Joe Schoen this afternoon, consistent feedback has been “good eye for talent.”
RE: I just hope he drafts  
81_Great_Dane : 1/21/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15565600 Bill in UT said:
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good football players. I'm more concerned with results than body type
The Giants have seemed to think that they could develop guys who had the measurables, turn talented athletes with the right physical traits into good football players.

The problem was, they have been consistently awful at player development, whether the coach was Coughlin, McAdoo, Shurmur or Judge. (There are exceptions, but not enough of them.) Those players with great measurables turned out not to be good NFL players. Whether that's because the measurables didn't mean that much or because the team's development regime stunk, or both, I don't know.

There's also the issue that to thrive at the NFL level, players need drive, ambition, competitiveness and work ethic. They have to want to excel and be willing to pay a price for that excellence. (Think of Jerry Rice's obsessive workouts.) I think a lot of the talented athletes the Giants drafted have lacked that mental part of the game.
Someone mentioned  
uconn18 : 1/21/2022 7:20 pm : link
In a previous thread that the Bills high picks were:
1. Allen
2. Oliver
3. Edmonds

That sounds like they would look for exceptional traits, Allen - arm strength/athleticism, Oliver - speed/explosiveness, Edmonds - range/size
And decided they could live with the deficiencies, Allen - accuracy concerns, Oliver - size
RE: RE: I just hope he drafts  
NorthCountryGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15565791 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 15565600 Bill in UT said:


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good football players. I'm more concerned with results than body type

The Giants have seemed to think that they could develop guys who had the measurables, turn talented athletes with the right physical traits into good football players.

The problem was, they have been consistently awful at player development, whether the coach was Coughlin, McAdoo, Shurmur or Judge. (There are exceptions, but not enough of them.) Those players with great measurables turned out not to be good NFL players. Whether that's because the measurables didn't mean that much or because the team's development regime stunk, or both, I don't know.

There's also the issue that to thrive at the NFL level, players need drive, ambition, competitiveness and work ethic. They have to want to excel and be willing to pay a price for that excellence. (Think of Jerry Rice's obsessive workouts.) I think a lot of the talented athletes the Giants drafted have lacked that mental part of the game.


this +1000% seems like we've been obsessed with measurables and athletic ability for years over choosing pure football talent
RE: Someone mentioned  
Breeze_94 : 1/21/2022 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15565802 uconn18 said:
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In a previous thread that the Bills high picks were:
1. Allen
2. Oliver
3. Edmonds

That sounds like they would look for exceptional traits, Allen - arm strength/athleticism, Oliver - speed/explosiveness, Edmonds - range/size
And decided they could live with the deficiencies, Allen - accuracy concerns, Oliver - size


This would make me think Evan Neal (size), Stingley (athleticism//ball skills) and Hamilton (size/range) would be very high on Schoens list. I’d also add Linderbaum (movement skills) but I doubt the positional value aligns with #5 or #7 overall.
The Giants have never put a high priority on speed  
Ivan15 : 1/21/2022 8:56 pm : link
Unfortunetly.
Would like to see a higher priority put towards...  
PA Aggie : 1/22/2022 8:45 am : link
Durability. Let's get some guys that can stay on the field. (Yes, changing the damn turf may help.)
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