I really liked Allen and Mayfield. Darnold scrambling gambling style and turnovers turned me off to him. My mistake was believing in Rosen but even then I preferred Allen.
I wanted Chubb or Nelson instead of Barkley if we we weren’t going QB.
Raises hand. For two reasons: 1) I had seen Darnold & USC a helluva lot more than Allen & Wyoming & 2) I was spooked about Allen's supposed accuracy issues.
I felt like each of the top 5 guys had enough warts not to take them there at #2. I would have liked Nelson, personally, or trade back hoping for Jackson to be wherever we landed.
as charged. Saw Josh play a couple times with Wyoming and thought he was not as ready as Darnold who played in the bigger conference. In reality he was the perfect pick to backup Eli and learn when the time came. Could see the great arm.
RE: 79 BBI'ers who wanted to Darnold over Allen...
Mayfield was my guy though, I was convinced he was the next Drew Brees. I don’t think anybody should take it to heart, the guys that actually know what they’re doing can’t get it right either.
Was all on board with Allen but the last week or so prior to the draft I started to lean towards Rosen. Everybody kept pointing to Allen's accuracy but failed to take into account that he had only 2 players drafted into the NFL that he played with at Wyoming (a 5th and 6th rounder). The other thing is that the weather plays a huge factor there in Wyoming and that whole conference they play in
and would not have thrown the remote if Giants took any of the three, assuming Giants did their homework and figured out things like why Allen throws like 50% against the likes of Idaho Eastern A&M. In DG we trust!
Was fine with them picking whoever they wanted. Personally, I thought Darnold or Rosen. Leading up to the draft, I was thinking Gettleman could not be a stupid as he sounds. Clearly, this is a smoke screen. On draft night, Gettleman was that stupid. The next four years were telegraphed.
I saw a decent amount of both Darnold and Rosen, living in L.A. Rosen seemed like an underachiever. He was so hyped but didn't really have that great a college career. Darnold was a huge role of the dice. Very unconventional QB. I probably preferred him to Mayfield, but not strongly. I remember thinking that Allen, too, was a huge role of the dice.
I thought Barkley was the safe pick. That seems to have been a misreading of the situation...
What drives me nuts about Allen is how many point to him as a player who overcame a deficiency (accuracy), therefore not a big deal if we choose a QB with a deficiency. They forget about all the players who didn't overcome the deficiency.
The take away here is, it is a crap shoot when drafting a qb. A team
Was all on board with Allen but the last week or so prior to the draft I started to lean towards Rosen. Everybody kept pointing to Allen's accuracy but failed to take into account that he had only 2 players drafted into the NFL that he played with at Wyoming (a 5th and 6th rounder). The other thing is that the weather plays a huge factor there in Wyoming and that whole conference they play in
Yep, the stuff on Allen was all about accuracy and that NFL QBs can develop and improve certain skills, but few if any ever become more accurate. So buyer beware on Allen.
From just a QB preference standpoint the popular vote really was about Darnold vs Rosen and then a smaller minority splitting votes between Allen, Mayfield and Jackson.
Obviously Barkley, Nelson and B. Chubb were often mentioned and intermingled into everything, especially for the fan base that was convinced Eli still was a quality starter, but just noted the above for the QB-only conversations...
Was all on board with Allen but the last week or so prior to the draft I started to lean towards Rosen. Everybody kept pointing to Allen's accuracy but failed to take into account that he had only 2 players drafted into the NFL that he played with at Wyoming (a 5th and 6th rounder). The other thing is that the weather plays a huge factor there in Wyoming and that whole conference they play in
Allen did have an accuracy issue. He overcame it. A lot of guys never do. Remember that was Phil Simms' critique of young Eli Manning. Simms thought Eli was "wild," in the same sense that a pitcher can be wild. He didn't think that Eli would ever find the control necessary to succeed. And, to be fair, Eli never became a consistently pinpoint-accurate passer.
So my question would be: How did Josh Allen to conquer his wildness? How did he learn control? Was it something any QB can do?
Was all on board with Allen but the last week or so prior to the draft I started to lean towards Rosen. Everybody kept pointing to Allen's accuracy but failed to take into account that he had only 2 players drafted into the NFL that he played with at Wyoming (a 5th and 6th rounder). The other thing is that the weather plays a huge factor there in Wyoming and that whole conference they play in
Allen did have an accuracy issue. He overcame it. A lot of guys never do. Remember that was Phil Simms' critique of young Eli Manning. Simms thought Eli was "wild," in the same sense that a pitcher can be wild. He didn't think that Eli would ever find the control necessary to succeed. And, to be fair, Eli never became a consistently pinpoint-accurate passer.
So my question would be: How did Josh Allen to conquer his wildness? How did he learn control? Was it something any QB can do?
This is a good point. If you look at Allen's college career compared to other first rounders of the last decade it's pretty poor. And among successful first rounders it's a straight up outlier.
He was drafted for his tools without proof of production, and the Bills teased that talent out.
If Daboll is the primary reason for that (I don't know if he is) and the Giants hire him, they should give a lot of thought to drafting Malik Willis, who has a similar profile (not physically, just in being a rough diamond).
When people got to see Allen for themselves, they noticed that he could throw very accurate passes, and throw them for touchdowns.
What struck me, and what I mentioned in my one post in the thread, was that Tom Ramsey, the color commentator, said Allen should go number one overall and Ramsey had been a QB himself.
Much of the negative commentary about Allen on BBI, both in this thread and throughout the process, was framed as criticism of the professional analysts who did rate Allen highly.
Though I thought his concussion history would be an issue. Boy was I wrong.
In retrospect, the correct choice was trading down and getting Nelson, and there were a fair number of people calling for that - even in the media with I think Snee and Diehl.
I was unsure about JA. I actually felt a lot like this year about the QBs. I’m even less impressed with this class. In hindsight Allen and even Mayfield would have been decent choices.
I wanted Chubb or Nelson instead of Barkley if we we weren’t going QB.
Josh Allen was never in play that early based on the consensus of the draftniks...
How many wanted Rosen over both? We should probably flog those dum-dums.
There was more than one BBI poll.
One that I looked up had Allen with 37 votes and 9%.
The greater proportion favoring Darnold was probably about the same as the poll you mention.
Darnold and Allen trained together in SoCal for the combine. Shortly before the combine, Darnold announced he wouldn't throw.
Allen went to the combine and broke the velocity record.
That was a pretty clear indication for me to prefer Allen.
The first two years are so critical in a QB’s development.
If you say now that you wanted Allen then, you'd better show irrefutable, time-stamped proof.
If you say now that you wanted Allen then, you'd better show irrefutable, time-stamped proof.
everybody knows that even the archives can be altered...
That's what I remember. Most said Allen wasn't accurate enough and that wouldn't improve at the NFL level.
I thought Barkley was the safe pick. That seems to have been a misreading of the situation...
What drives me nuts about Allen is how many point to him as a player who overcame a deficiency (accuracy), therefore not a big deal if we choose a QB with a deficiency. They forget about all the players who didn't overcome the deficiency.
Yep, the stuff on Allen was all about accuracy and that NFL QBs can develop and improve certain skills, but few if any ever become more accurate. So buyer beware on Allen.
From just a QB preference standpoint the popular vote really was about Darnold vs Rosen and then a smaller minority splitting votes between Allen, Mayfield and Jackson.
Obviously Barkley, Nelson and B. Chubb were often mentioned and intermingled into everything, especially for the fan base that was convinced Eli still was a quality starter, but just noted the above for the QB-only conversations...
Josh Allen has done a great job cleaning up his issues and becoming, clearly, one of the very best players in the NFL.
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So my question would be: How did Josh Allen to conquer his wildness? How did he learn control? Was it something any QB can do?
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Was all on board with Allen but the last week or so prior to the draft I started to lean towards Rosen. Everybody kept pointing to Allen's accuracy but failed to take into account that he had only 2 players drafted into the NFL that he played with at Wyoming (a 5th and 6th rounder). The other thing is that the weather plays a huge factor there in Wyoming and that whole conference they play in
Allen did have an accuracy issue. He overcame it. A lot of guys never do. Remember that was Phil Simms' critique of young Eli Manning. Simms thought Eli was "wild," in the same sense that a pitcher can be wild. He didn't think that Eli would ever find the control necessary to succeed. And, to be fair, Eli never became a consistently pinpoint-accurate passer.
So my question would be: How did Josh Allen to conquer his wildness? How did he learn control? Was it something any QB can do?
This is a good point. If you look at Allen's college career compared to other first rounders of the last decade it's pretty poor. And among successful first rounders it's a straight up outlier.
He was drafted for his tools without proof of production, and the Bills teased that talent out.
If Daboll is the primary reason for that (I don't know if he is) and the Giants hire him, they should give a lot of thought to drafting Malik Willis, who has a similar profile (not physically, just in being a rough diamond).
What struck me, and what I mentioned in my one post in the thread, was that Tom Ramsey, the color commentator, said Allen should go number one overall and Ramsey had been a QB himself.
Much of the negative commentary about Allen on BBI, both in this thread and throughout the process, was framed as criticism of the professional analysts who did rate Allen highly.
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Don't know. I thought he would but I just saw Sy had him high on the first in his mock.
I wouldn't count on it if I were NYG.
In retrospect, the correct choice was trading down and getting Nelson, and there were a fair number of people calling for that - even in the media with I think Snee and Diehl.