and Allen would not. Most here wanted Darnold or Rosen. Very, very few were in on Allen.
That is why I disregard all of the talk here that “there are no good QBs in this draft. We don’t know. I trust Schoen and the new HC to make that call.
About a half dozen folk wanted Allen. They were usually shouted down by those concerned about his accuracy issues. there was the notion that you couldnt teach or improve accuracy.
did. Allen had accuracy issues in college and even high school. He also fractured the collarbone in his left shoulder and had to have it fixed with plates and screws. I wanted Darnold or Barkley at #2, or a trade down, where I would have selected Nelson.
Was all on board with Allen but the last week or so prior to the draft I started to lean towards Rosen. Everybody kept pointing to Allen's accuracy but failed to take into account that he had only 2 players drafted into the NFL that he played with at Wyoming (a 5th and 6th rounder). The other thing is that the weather plays a huge factor there in Wyoming and that whole conference they play in
Allen did have an accuracy issue. He overcame it. A lot of guys never do. Remember that was Phil Simms' critique of young Eli Manning. Simms thought Eli was "wild," in the same sense that a pitcher can be wild. He didn't think that Eli would ever find the control necessary to succeed. And, to be fair, Eli never became a consistently pinpoint-accurate passer.
So my question would be: How did Josh Allen to conquer his wildness? How did he learn control? Was it something any QB can do?
Eli was a pinpoint passer when he had to be. Lucky for us.
Darnold was the one I had seen play, against Penn State, but I would have like Darnold l, Allen or even Rosen, just wanted a young quarterback to root for.
But it s not the job of a fan to know whom to take, there are professionals paid big money that know.
by draft day I had soured on him. I wish I could say I really wanted Allen but the guy I really wanted that year was Derwin James. Of course, I'm an FSU homer and I knew the kind of player he was going to become. I was right about him being great, but I was wrong in the sense that he is third best in that first round behind Allen and Nelson.
I had no interest in Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold, and some interest in Jackson who some think has turned out to be the best of the class. My preference, however, continues to be Allen and it kills me that Gettleman passed on him and drafted Barkley (touched by the hand of God).
... Rosen. I was intrigued by Lamar Jackson, and of course like everyone was intrigued by Allen. I didn't think Jackson or Allen would be the guys though... lol
i dont know why we play this game all the time......
Rosen looked worse than Goff at UCLA and was frail.
Darnold was garbage in college outside the Rose Bowl comeback(Not a fan of USC QBs, superior WR talent for the PAC-12, QB just had to chuck and let them go get it).
Allen’s pro day was impressive would have settled for him sitting behind Eli a few years.
I wasn't sure about Darnold, but had zero faith in JA
Small school, inaccurate, and every single positive clip I saw he was making unscripted plays with athleticism, which I was sure would not translate once he met the significant rise in competition at the NFL level.
he proved me wrong x infinity
*shamefully...I liked Josh Rosen best of that class. I thought he was an A-Rod clone with smarts and accuracy.
Barkley, Darnold and Rosen. We would have lost any way we went.
If you say now that you wanted Allen then, you'd better show irrefutable, time-stamped proof.
Allen was my number one player in that draft. You can shove it with your proof BS, I was all over this forum on that. There were lots, not a majority, who felt that way. So don’t be a jerk.
probably had Darnold ranked ahead of Allen pre-draft.
You could go back in time WITHOUT knowing how well Allen was going to play. Allow a mock draft where all 32 teams have a chance to make the #1 selection of that draft. None of them are drafting Allen with that pick.
So we all hate Gettleman and we want to pile on the guy with every chance we get... but this is not one of them. Allen surprised the league.
The only valid point is we should have drafted an OL with the #2 pick
I never liked Darnold. USC was on TV a lot that year, I was never
Coached up. Would love to see how the Bills coaches handled that and who was responsible. If it’s Daboll, we absolutely can’t let him get away. If it was Dorsey, make him the OC ASAP.
Fortunately, our new GM knows exactly what went down. I’m liking this Schoen hire more and more.
I was not thrilled with any of the QBs.
I liked Darnold because I saw him play the most but I wanted the Giants to trade down.
It seemed like trading down he best move. I thought that Giants had so many needs and there was a lot of talent in the middle of first round of the draft.
my first QB choice was Allen based on size, arm, and running ability. i knew he was more risky because of level of competition, but i thought that could be coached up with his abundance of talent. my main concern was his accuracy. and, as usual, i always worry about handling NY/NJ pressure with the relentless, idiotic media and impatient fan base, especially from players who come from small towns and don't play for big time colleges/universities.
Thought he was a winner. Had Allen after him on measurables and sky high ceiling. Didn’t love Darnold, wanted nothing to do with Mayfield.
But that’s just how I was looking at the QBs and for the record I also was one of the guys saying to trade back and that it made zero sense to draft any RB at the 2.
That is why I disregard all of the talk here that “there are no good QBs in this draft. We don’t know. I trust Schoen and the new HC to make that call.
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Was all on board with Allen but the last week or so prior to the draft I started to lean towards Rosen. Everybody kept pointing to Allen's accuracy but failed to take into account that he had only 2 players drafted into the NFL that he played with at Wyoming (a 5th and 6th rounder). The other thing is that the weather plays a huge factor there in Wyoming and that whole conference they play in
Allen did have an accuracy issue. He overcame it. A lot of guys never do. Remember that was Phil Simms' critique of young Eli Manning. Simms thought Eli was "wild," in the same sense that a pitcher can be wild. He didn't think that Eli would ever find the control necessary to succeed. And, to be fair, Eli never became a consistently pinpoint-accurate passer.
So my question would be: How did Josh Allen to conquer his wildness? How did he learn control? Was it something any QB can do?
Eli was a pinpoint passer when he had to be. Lucky for us.
But it s not the job of a fan to know whom to take, there are professionals paid big money that know.
also im pretty sure BBI would implode with a 67% rookie qb rating taken 2nd overall.
also half of you people wanted Rosen. I was sold with Barkley but really wanted Nelson
Rosen looked worse than Goff at UCLA and was frail.
Darnold was garbage in college outside the Rose Bowl comeback(Not a fan of USC QBs, superior WR talent for the PAC-12, QB just had to chuck and let them go get it).
Allen’s pro day was impressive would have settled for him sitting behind Eli a few years.
Wanted a trade back for Nelson or Bradley Chubb.
Allen's workout was a lot of fun to watch. The ease in which he could throw the ball with pace and distance was like he was from another planet.
When in doubt, draft a QB with the tools and hope you can work to improve their craft as a QB.
Small school, inaccurate, and every single positive clip I saw he was making unscripted plays with athleticism, which I was sure would not translate once he met the significant rise in competition at the NFL level.
he proved me wrong x infinity
*shamefully...I liked Josh Rosen best of that class. I thought he was an A-Rod clone with smarts and accuracy.
If you say now that you wanted Allen then, you'd better show irrefutable, time-stamped proof.
Allen was my number one player in that draft. You can shove it with your proof BS, I was all over this forum on that. There were lots, not a majority, who felt that way. So don’t be a jerk.
You could go back in time WITHOUT knowing how well Allen was going to play. Allow a mock draft where all 32 teams have a chance to make the #1 selection of that draft. None of them are drafting Allen with that pick.
So we all hate Gettleman and we want to pile on the guy with every chance we get... but this is not one of them. Allen surprised the league.
The only valid point is we should have drafted an OL with the #2 pick
Fortunately, our new GM knows exactly what went down. I’m liking this Schoen hire more and more.
I liked Darnold because I saw him play the most but I wanted the Giants to trade down.
It seemed like trading down he best move. I thought that Giants had so many needs and there was a lot of talent in the middle of first round of the draft.
I didn't really like any of the QBs, though I thought Mayfield was the best of the bunch. I didn't see Josh Allen coming at all.
But that’s just how I was looking at the QBs and for the record I also was one of the guys saying to trade back and that it made zero sense to draft any RB at the 2.