Trade 2022 picks for 2023 picks

Was that the quarterbacks are better next year than this year

Chris? If so, I may know your last name as well…

Would have emailed you but your email is private…

Doing what we did last year is a great strategy. Keep building up the foundation so that you're ready to hit the ground running when we get a QB. And we'll have ammo to get a QB.

In comment 15565890 SJGiant said:

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Was that the quarterbacks are better next year than this year

This is the reason I want to trade down from 7 unless Schoen falls in love with a QB in this draft which is unlikely.

Then make a move up for Dean. Think he will be a very good player.

But this is the NFL. It’s never a good idea to “punt” seasons.

While the fan base will be somewhat re-energized by a new regime, don’t underestimate the short leash they will all be once next season starts.

It gets late early in the NFL. Look no further than Judge who was supposed to have a king leash, did pretty well in year one, not great. Comes back in year 2 and after 2 weeks you could start to look ahead and see that things had the potential to get very bad.

Make the trades if they are good ones. If not, look to bring the best possible players you can who can help you in 2022.

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...there is no way to trust the current scouting processes of the leftover front office. ...

You don't think Schoen was doing any draft prep with the Bills? do you think a GM or assistant GM like he was in BUF just show up on draft day go to the war room and ask the scouts for reports on players or who they think the team should draft?

Or do you think Schoen is going to take Gettleman's office and open Gettleman's handwritten notebooks and use Gettleman's draft rankings to make picks?

the draft is 3+ months away there is plenty of time to make any adjustments for Giants vs Bills personnel and needs.

If they do prioritize 2023 draft it will be because they get good value to move 2022 picks.

that creates something out of nothing. in hindsight Slater or Parsons was probably the best move, but that aside they got the #7 pick and the #20 pick for #11. Slater and Parsons were outliers so if there's ever an outlier available you choose that player, but one would expect with 2 picks so close to each other 1 of them will be able to similarly create new value for next year (even if it's not a 1st).

I get that 22 is going to be a lean year, but this team needs to start adding talent if they're ever going to be anything.

2022 is a deeper than usual year because many college players came back for another year in 2021 due to COVID wiping out alot of the 2000 season. There is no reason to think that the 2023 draft will be as deep as this one.

Also, we should be able to sign some FAs in 2023. No $ to do so this year. I would try to use our picks this year.

they may trade one of the picks. Not a fan of trading just to make a trade for 2023 picks. How do we know that the other team is going to have a high pick in 2023. It is easy to fall into the middle.

In comment 15565903 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I get that 22 is going to be a lean year, but this team needs to start adding talent if they're ever going to be anything.

So trading down, getting future picks, and still drafting first round players means we can't aquire talent?

Linemen edge and lb we will pick high again in 2023 better QB year

as the top of the draft is pretty easy to scout for. The real differences are when you can find talent in the later rounds or in UDFA.

to move up in the draft and get a QB...look at the Rams mortgaging multiple years of draft capital. We need a serious infusion of talent now. This is a deep draft across multiple areas and we can fill many needs. We've got to start building a real NFL team first...look at Cincinnati, they got damn lucky not to ruin Burrows career before it even got started by not providing an NFL level offense

Maybe to 9-14
Probably can get a 3 this yr and next
Plus similar graded player
Also I would expect someone to sign EE to a decent enough contract to maybe get a 4th comp pick in 2023

Two first
One #2. Three 3s and 4
Should net us 7 solid prospects
A good start. Clear up cap space in 2022. Maybe in 2023 we are an ascending team

Not all the picks but set yourself up for some extra volume in 2023 too.

Rebuild isn’t all in 2022...

and take BPA.

What’s wrong with the picks this year? There’s some serious studs in this first round, no way am I just handing that away.

In comment 15565937 Jimmy Googs said:

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Not all the picks but set yourself up for some extra volume in 2023 too. Rebuild isn’t all in 2022...

Maybe, but not for the reasons he said in the OP, that's laughable.

In comment 15565942 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15565937 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: Not all the picks but set yourself up for some extra volume in 2023 too. Rebuild isn’t all in 2022... Maybe, but not for the reasons he said in the OP, that's laughable.

No, I am okay with view that scouts and internal processes aren’t up to snuff and need some time to assess/gain trust. Defer some draft collateral to 2023...

;- )

all the scouts, Schoen, anyone else involved is already in football and likely scouts are scouting, and otherwise people are with NFL teams with draft prep on their agenda in some form.

it's not like they're moving to a new country or switching careers.

I think people are over thinking this.

Make the picks if the players you (Schoen and his staff) value and if not, trade down and accumulate more draft picks this year or in the future.

I will never believe there isn't enough time on January 21st for Schoen to come in, bring in his team (including a coaching staff) assess the roster, and prepare for the NYG draft. And I definitely don't think anyone coming in with Schoen or remaining would need to rely on anything Gettleman or former staff did.

that sounds like fan fiction.

Chicago last year. But if a great offer comes, take it.

Need to nail that Stroud pick in 2023...

on anything without his own specific judgment inserted. Keep things close to vest until changes and turnover are ready to be implemented. Probably going to take some time and can’t have free agency and draft prep held up whatsoever.

Rebuild what’s on the field and off...

NC Tackle, center Iowa, BC Guard in second, and then use the rest of draft as BPS. Easy, OL Fixed.

current cap hell plays in here. Cap hit for #5 (Jamaar Chase) was $5.6M. The 10th pick (Devonta Smith) had $3.66M hit. Trade down at 5 and 7 could mean millions less that has to be borrowed from 2023 by restructuring contracts. That’s in keeping with goal of maximizing options next year.

In comment 15565983 adamg said:

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Need to nail that Stroud pick in 2023...

If Stroud is the goods, a QB needy team sitting in the driver's seat will most likely not move off that pick. If he actually comes out, and doesn't pull a Justin Herbert and returns to school, he's gone by pick 2. The Giants are in no position to burn a candle at night by his photo and hope the stars align that he's wearing blue in 2023. Everyone keeps saying 2023 is a better QB draft. We have to wait and see who is actually coming out. And also wait and see who didn't step in their own poo like Spencer Rattler.

The 2022 draft is unusually deep because players stayed in school due to COVID. This is the year to have extra picks.

Lots of good comments above. Yes, a trade down from #5 or #7 to get more picks this year makes sense. Two O-linemen? Sure, but what if Kayvon Thibodeaux or Aidan Hutchinson is on the board? Do you want Ekwonu more than Neal? Do you want Linderbaum more than Kenyon Green?

But trading down this year to get more 2023 picks at the expense of 2022 picks doesn't make sense to me. If you can get both, even better.

I expect that the Giants will get comp picks in 2023 as they are going to lose several veteran free agents this year and are going to avoid spending much on veteran free agent replacements.

You still get 2 1st round picks and hopefully a 2023 1st rounder in the trade down

Most mocks have at least 10 OL in the first 45 picks. If LBs dont rise up the board, take OL with 5 or 7 and LB with trade down pick (LB not edge - edges are overrated), take OL with 36

In comment 15565903 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I get that 22 is going to be a lean year, but this team needs to start adding talent if they're ever going to be anything.

TTH, not that I disagree with you, but the talent needs to be primarily at the QB position of they're ever going to be anything.

And if you can't get that franchis QB this year, getting an extra 1st next year is not a bad strategy.

On the draft. Wait

And when a desperate enough team comes to you (Vikings for example) with an offer you can’t refuse take it.

Other than that happening I agree with those saying take the player you as GM believe in. That’s why you were hired - your reputation for knowing talent. But one or two impact players from a draft is a slow rebuild and the Giants cupboard is bare so it will take longer The entire roster needs an overhaul. (Well I like our left tackle and place kicker long term)

Ps I watched Iowa a bit this year. From what I saw the center is good but not Dwight Stephenson good and that’s what it would take to pick him in top seven instead of a haul of draft picks.

But we passed on Parsons last year to trade down for a 1, 3 and a 5. We passed on an ALL PRO LB.

This team needs play makers. More picks might help but you need to hit on them and not pass up elite talent.

Look back to 2005. We had 4 draft picks: 3 of them turned into starters.

2nd Round: Corey Webster
3rd Round: Justin Tuck
4th Round: Brandon Jacobs
6th rounder was a DE that didn’t pan out.

Bottom line: it doesn’t matter how many picks you have or where you are picking. You need to start hitting on the picks.

We have 9 selections in a deep draft. They should net 3-4 early contributors and 3-4 keepers with the hopes they can develop.

wasn't the narrative last year that the Giants' "connections" at PS told us to stay away from Parsons because of "issues"? We were not drafting Parsons, period.

In comment 15565903 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I get that 22 is going to be a lean year, but this team needs to start adding talent if they're ever going to be anything.

Agreed. Trading down 5 or 7 and getting 2 picks this year and a first next year would be okay, but there isn’t so much interest in QBs that anyone is going to make that move. Okay if it happens but with no opportunity to participate in early free agency, the Giants need at least the number of picks they already have to bring in some talent.

The last 2 drafts were not bad after DG reshaped the scouting department in 2018 and 2019. Schoen will just have to trust the evaluations he is given and follow up with his own analysis. The Giants need to nail this draft - not sit it out.

In comment 15566090 Rjanyg said:

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But we passed on Parsons last year to trade down for a 1, 3 and a 5. We passed on an ALL PRO LB. This team needs play makers. More picks might help but you need to hit on them and not pass up elite talent. Look back to 2005. We had 4 draft picks: 3 of them turned into starters. 2nd Round: Corey Webster 3rd Round: Justin Tuck 4th Round: Brandon Jacobs 6th rounder was a DE that didn’t pan out. Bottom line: it doesn’t matter how many picks you have or where you are picking. You need to start hitting on the picks. We have 9 selections in a deep draft. They should net 3-4 early contributors and 3-4 keepers with the hopes they can develop.

Great post.

In comment 15566090 Rjanyg said:

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But we passed on Parsons last year to trade down for a 1, 3 and a 5. We passed on an ALL PRO LB. This team needs play makers. More picks might help but you need to hit on them and not pass up elite talent. Look back to 2005. We had 4 draft picks: 3 of them turned into starters. 2nd Round: Corey Webster 3rd Round: Justin Tuck 4th Round: Brandon Jacobs 6th rounder was a DE that didn’t pan out. Bottom line: it doesn’t matter how many picks you have or where you are picking. You need to start hitting on the picks. We have 9 selections in a deep draft. They should net 3-4 early contributors and 3-4 keepers with the hopes they can develop.

SO you are expecting about 7 out of 9 hits?

SO using your logic, let's trade down and get about 9-10 out 12 hits.

Saying this is not a QB draft are you forgetting how teams suffer from "OMG we have to have him" QBitis come go time?

but at the same time think about the next year's draft. It should take a couple years to turn this around but the first year will be painful to watch I think. 2nd year we should see more things to make us hopeful.

With the 5th pick, if your board still has the player you want at this pick (preferably an OT) then take him. If not, leverage it for a 1st rounder next year and additional picks (if you can find a trade partner). The later is very tricky. You want to try to trade with a team that is not expected to do well the following year so their pick is a higher one.

The 7th pick should pretty much be the same and not necessarily dependent on what you did with the 5th pick. What I mean by this is that I would not be upset if both the 5th and 7th picks were traded for slightly lower picks this year and leverage for more and/or higher picks next year.

This coming year the Giants' are broke and can't even fix it by dumping players. In most cases, that might just make it worse. They basically have to ride it out. However, the following year looks very good. The 2023 Draft and FA period is the year to really start making moves.

On an average football team you can afford to take best player available in the draft regardless of position. That would be my preference. The Giants are not that right now. They need to focus on that line. OL and DL are where it's at and I'd lean just a smidge to the OL between the two. Gettleman didn't get the job done but he was right that it starts and stops with the OL and DL.

In fact, for any of the Giants 2022 draft picks in the 1st 3 rounds I'd do the same. If your guy is there in a position of need, take him. If not, try to trade for more picks in 2023.

Just my two cents.

There is some merit to this thinking. However it’s very unlikely the Giants will be active in free agency and they should receive complimentary picks next year. I don’t think peppers or Ingram will be re-signed. Hernandez while he played terrible this year is really a pure lifeguard who played out a position and it’s in a specific scheme is a serviceable starter. He’s gone as well. Lorenzo Carter probably won’t be resigned although I would prefer they did sign him but if you are a rebuilding team what’s the benefit of paying a midsize contract to an average but capable starter?

The only free agent of note I see them signing is a quarterback and not a top-tier starting quarterback a back up I can compete in the league like a Trebisky or a Mariota.

Long story short if they can trade tTheir second third round pick this year for a second round pick next year that would be a good draft move to make.

Keep in mind the Giants are in a very real rebuilding mode they may not need a lot of help to get near the top of the draft board at the end of the year they were the worst team in the league.

I would choke on some of the Nuts on this site..
You have to be kidding me..Trade all your top picks for 2023 picks..In any pro sport,coaches live and work and get paid for Results NOW..Not 3 or 4 yrs down the road..Look how many HC's got canned this past week,that were on the job 1 or 2 yrs with NO RESULTS...If you want our New Coaches around here for alot longer then 2/3 yrs,you better hope they get 5 Rookie Starters in our 1st 5 picks..WE THEM THIS YEAR..Not next year...Next year,we will get another 2 to 4 players that can be starters for us..

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depends on the draft class. If 2023 is absolutely loaded, then sure. But we’ve got a ton of early picks this year. Make them count.

In comment 15566718 Alamo said:

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I would choke on some of the Nuts on this site.. You have to be kidding me..Trade all your top picks for 2023 picks..In any pro sport,coaches live and work and get paid for Results NOW..Not 3 or 4 yrs down the road..Look how many HC's got canned this past week,that were on the job 1 or 2 yrs with NO RESULTS...If you want our New Coaches around here for alot longer then 2/3 yrs,you better hope they get 5 Rookie Starters in our 1st 5 picks..WE THEM THIS YEAR..Not next year...Next year,we will get another 2 to 4 players that can be starters for us..

SO any team that trades 1st round picks or 2nd round picks for next year's picks is wrong doing so because every team needs to be in "win-now" mode?

And to add to that, so if a downright rotten team of management/scouting believes there is certain in a following-year draft vs a current draft then they should just forget about that analysis/ belief despite their expertise in that analysis because the basic rule is "win now" for every occasion regardless of what the analysis may tell them?

While everybody is all kumbaya right now for “tearing it down” gutting the team, eating cap, trading picks for the future etc, it is likely when the rubber meets the road they will turn back to an angry mob if the team is non competitive next year.

If the giants win 4 games next year the new coach is entering 23 on a hot seat and the new GM on a warm seat.

You think people will be patient but they won’t. And really they shouldn’t. The league is made for parity. The Eagles made the playoffs this year. And while playoffs or bust is silly they need to be relevant through December.

In comment 15568610 dancing blue bear said:

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While everybody is all kumbaya right now for “tearing it down” gutting the team, eating cap, trading picks for the future etc, it is likely when the rubber meets the road they will turn back to an angry mob if the team is non competitive next year. If the giants win 4 games next year the new coach is entering 23 on a hot seat and the new GM on a warm seat. You think people will be patient but they won’t. And really they shouldn’t. The league is made for parity. The Eagles made the playoffs this year. And while playoffs or bust is silly they need to be relevant through December.

I don't believe the Giants fans overall will be impatient after 1 year with a new coach and new GM.

And not even impatient during the 2023 season if the franchise QB is obvious.