There is a lot of talk about the QB but I think Center is going to be hard to fill next year ... Losing Gates leaves an enormous gap
The draft seems to be deep in OT and OG ... Also it seems where the Giants pick the value will match for those positions in the first and other rounds
Options:
Draft Tyler Linderbaum
Pros: Can probably start right out of the gate
Cons: Will it be a huge reach at 7? Will he fit Scheme (seems to be a zone run type of center)?
Sign Free Agent: Brian Allen; Bradley Bozeman; Ryan Jensen; Ben Jones
Pros: Would be an instant starter; Veteran presence for OL calls
Cons: The 2 starters above are old (Jensen & Jones); Cost probably can't afford Allen;
Start Billy Price Again
No much to say here we know there are no Pros to this only Cons
Move Lemieux to C
Pros: Already on roster
Cons: Never played the position; Coming off a knee injury
Thoughts? Other ideas to fill this huge void next year
The Gates move to guard pisses me off.....we at least had 2 spots covered.....at LT and C.....
Losing Gates was low point in season
the more I see 3-5 wins in 2022.
And that might be a bit too optimistic.
the more I see 3-5 wins in 2022.
And that might be a bit too optimistic.
we arent winning less games than this past year
I would sign price to at least back up center going into next year for vet minimum.
If they can find an upgrade gray.
With the draft I’d rather draft the two best online regardless of a specific position.
They could trade down from number 7 to the middle of the first round to pick Linderbaum. They need to find a trade partner who might be interested in selecting one of the QB's.
I am more interested in this new staff figuring out a long term plan to address the OL with development that using high need picks.
Ira has it right...
Could he add on another 20 lbs and still retain whatever quickness he has?
Obviously not all expected to be hits but those positions are dire right now on this roster for 2022...
The Gates move to guard pisses me off.....we at least had 2 spots covered.....at LT and C.....
Losing Gates was low point in season
Agreed. I didn't agree at the time and hated it after. That one move changed everything. The C missed his block so bad and caused Gates' injury. And Gates didn't look good at G switching at that point in the season. It made no fuckin sense.
I've said in other OL threads and I'll say it here. I'm hoping for a vet center and then draft our OGs. Use a late pick or take an flyer on an UDFA to groom behind the vet. I even wouldn't be opposed to bringing back Harrison if his knee injury isn't that bad
Drafting a Center seems to be important but a vet should be added if Gates cannot make it back.
Lindstrom in round 4 might be a solid addition.
Yeah, because the only C currently under contract is Gates. Price and Skura are FA. As of the end of the season, there were six OL under contract for 2022, and three of them on IR. Murphy is RFA, also spent the year on IR.
Actually my point was that neither Price nor Skura is under contract, so you can’t assume they will be back. But to your point, I seem to remember that some felt Skura was an improvement at C.
Still really believe that the Giants need to use draft investment on Center, which they typically ignore doing. Hopefully Schoen brings a new day into that incompetent front office.
btw - some of the FA Centers will be playing this weekend if you want to get a jump start on your BBI scouting. See link...
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/center/all/
He responded by saying that you can't pass on great players at any position.
He was right. Travis Frederick was arguably the best center in the game when he was in his prime.
Do we take the same position or are there other centers in later rounds that fit this offensive scheme/future better?
This is where the fun begins. Finding those guys.
the top FA option is Ryan Jensen and he's projected to get a modest 3 years 10m AAV. He's 30 years old, won a SB in TB, and started every game since 2017. He plays an aggressive and nasty game. That's the type of guy they need to add to the room - even if he's only a bridge for a year or two. Let Bredeson, Lemiuex, Gates, lower cost UFA, and some non-first round rookies compete at the guard/backup C spots. And ideally draft someone in the top 10 to play RT.
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the more I see 3-5 wins in 2022.
And that might be a bit too optimistic.
we arent winning less games than this past year
Yea dumb take. Just based on health alone we sbould win as many if not more games. You add in another draft class including 2 high picks plus a coach who isnt a conservative putz we should be inproved
the top FA option is Ryan Jensen and he's projected to get a modest 3 years 10m AAV. He's 30 years old, won a SB in TB, and started every game since 2017. He plays an aggressive and nasty game. That's the type of guy they need to add to the room - even if he's only a bridge for a year or two. Let Bredeson, Lemiuex, Gates, lower cost UFA, and some non-first round rookies compete at the guard/backup C spots. And ideally draft someone in the top 10 to play RT.
I think they will resign Jensen. Ron loves him and he is awesome. If they could get him here that would be a MASSIVE coup
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it's too important of a position to go through an open competition or hope a rookie making an adjustment to the NFL is ready for mentally. If there were 2 settled guards around the rookie that would be 1 thing but presently there just aren't.
the top FA option is Ryan Jensen and he's projected to get a modest 3 years 10m AAV. He's 30 years old, won a SB in TB, and started every game since 2017. He plays an aggressive and nasty game. That's the type of guy they need to add to the room - even if he's only a bridge for a year or two. Let Bredeson, Lemiuex, Gates, lower cost UFA, and some non-first round rookies compete at the guard/backup C spots. And ideally draft someone in the top 10 to play RT.
I think they will resign Jensen. Ron loves him and he is awesome. If they could get him here that would be a MASSIVE coup
probably but financially i'd guess it's even tougher for tampa to pull off than nyg. Bucs have very little effective cap space because they only have 35 players under contract right now and among them some big mouths to feed (Godwin, Gronk, entire DL other than Vea including JPP, Suh, Gholston, entire RB room including Fournette).
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the more I see 3-5 wins in 2022.
And that might be a bit too optimistic.
we arent winning less games than this past year
Yea dumb take. Just based on health alone we sbould win as many if not more games. You add in another draft class including 2 high picks plus a coach who isnt a conservative putz we should be inproved
Why do you assume better health next year? Last year was frustrating, but not different from the past decade. And yes, we have some high picks in the draft. Hopefully they can step in as rookies to make up for the loss of Engram, Peppers, Hernandez,Carter, Austin Johnson, and the rest of our UFAs that will likely be gone.
the more I see 3-5 wins in 2022.
And that might be a bit too optimistic.
Who the hell would want them back? You’re looking at third stringers. These are terrible OL.
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That Skura was moved to guard because he was a better guard than Price and the Giants needed a starter at both positions. I think Skura only played center for the one game when Price was out. How did he do?
Actually my point was that neither Price nor Skura is under contract, so you can’t assume they will be back. But to your point, I seem to remember that some felt Skura was an improvement at C.
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Who the hell would want them back? You’re looking at third stringers. These are terrible OL.
Ideally yes. Right now you have no first OR second stringer. You’ve already signed Jake Fromm to be a camp body. Doesn’t mean you’re counting on him to start next year. Need a center, at least until you have someone to beat him out. If either Price or Skura will take vet minimum, I’d sign him today, and work on upgrade in draft or FA.
the top FA option is Ryan Jensen and he's projected to get a modest 3 years 10m AAV. He's 30 years old, won a SB in TB, and started every game since 2017. He plays an aggressive and nasty game. That's the type of guy they need to add to the room - even if he's only a bridge for a year or two. Let Bredeson, Lemiuex, Gates, lower cost UFA, and some non-first round rookies compete at the guard/backup C spots. And ideally draft someone in the top 10 to play RT.
Once again I agree with you. I don't know if the Bucs will let Jensen go but if they do the Giants should aggressively pursue him.
Since it's unlikely that they can land Jensen they should look to other options like Ted Karras, Bradley Bozeman, Brian Allen, James Daniels, Ben Jones, or Mason Cole. They should also sign Bills OL Ryan Bates who broke out this season for the Bills and he reportedly can play all 5 positions although he is much better at guard and center. Bates could compete for both a starting guard spot and center. Even if Bates does not win a starting spot his versatility would be a huge asset for the new coaching staff.
If I had my choice and Jensen was off the table I would sign Ted Karras to a 2 year deal and Ryan Bates to a 3 year deal. Karras would enter camp as the starting center but Ryan Bates would be his primary backup while also competing for the starting RG spot.
but if they try to save the money and tender him low i would think Schoen will pounce on that. maybe even try to get him for a pick the way the browns stole wyatt teller.