Paul Schwartz: Schoen believes Daniel Jones can be his QB

Process the game fast enough. He is slow into his reads.

Saying you hate him kills any trade value and will cause a FA to demand starter money

So might as well let him play out his rookie contract.

Fixing the online. If Jones flops like many here think will happen them you have a new quarterback coming into a great line.

with DJ and future trade interest from other teams.

Well done...

Jones is entering his 4th year with health concerns. When you start a teardown, you don’t build around a QB who hasn’t produced, can’t stay healthy & is deep into his rookie deal. The window was missed.

Barring a major change.

This should go well

Jones coming off this injury is a fantasy unless we're just trading him for a bag of footballs.

Leading up to the draft

to believe it until proven otherwise. That said and in all candor, what else is he going to say at this point. Probably nothing to see here, imo. Yet.

In comment 15566218 Giantimistic said:

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Fixing the online. If Jones flops like many here think will happen them you have a new quarterback coming into a great line.

That's the way I'd handle it. But if there was a qb I liked in day 2 or 3, I'd draft him.

Well if true, and not just spin, strike one for Schoen for the majority here, for the core group, strike 1,2,3, you re out, and time to move on,”

Sorry to be obtuse so early in the day, but I can help myself, this is funny.

In comment 15566231 Big Blue '56 said:

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to believe it until proven otherwise. That said and in all candor, what else is he going to say at this point. Probably nothing to see here, imo. Yet.

While it’s possible I can’t help but expect you will be officially proven otherwise after his 4th year which will effectively be a waste. And he’s good enough to get us some wins so it would also come at the cost of a top pick too.

That said I agree, I don’t expect Schoen to say anything else other than what he did.

If Schoen hitches his wagon to Jones he is putting himself on the hot seat to be in and out as GM in a few years.

I think it’s a mistake. Jones is not a long term answer and this team is going to really struggle next year no matter what. The OL isn’t getting fixed in one season and the receivers are an issue into future (TE, WR).

Me thinks Schoen feels differently privately.

If Schoen gives him the 5th year.

Then we might have a problem.

What’s he supposed to say? He could think he’s the worst QB of all time but what purpose does it serve to say that? They may want to test the trade market for Jones, so of course he’s going to pump him up

now and will likely be next season, as expected.

Unless he gets a whopper of an offer around draft time...

If he turns around(Unlikely) good. If he doesn't he helped you tank for a good pick to get a QB.

So many holes with a cap as bad as ours. I trust the new GM to show is his process and plans in actuality and not snippets of quotes.

Plus, I want to see who our coach is.

Keep in mind, I am sure many people believe GMen could have beaten Miami, Chicago and Wash late last season if Jones had played. Glad it didn't happen to get a fresh start at GM and HC

In comment 15566265 jvm52106 said:

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So many holes with a cap as bad as ours. I trust the new GM to show is his process and plans in actuality and not snippets of quotes. Plus, I want to see who our coach is. Keep in mind, I am sure many people believe GMen could have beaten Miami, Chicago and Wash late last season if Jones had played. Glad it didn't happen to get a fresh start at GM and HC

You don't give Jones $20M for yr 5, then claim you care about the cap.

Next year. We’re guaranteed a high pick if he’s our QB. If he’s our QB in 2023 we have problems

Not what he says.

It sounds like Jones will have a chance to compete so naturally he’s no 1 right now since no other viable QB is on the roster, but the feeling I get is Shoen is going to do whatever he can to get a guy that can at least push him in 2022, but best case is to find a guy to push him to the bench and off the roster in 2023.

Feels like we go QB somewhere this draft.

In comment 15566231 Big Blue '56 said:

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to believe it until proven otherwise. That said and in all candor, what else is he going to say at this point. Probably nothing to see here, imo. Yet.

Them's my thoughts. I think that's the prudent approach for a number of reasons

In comment 15566267 Producer said:

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In comment 15566265 jvm52106 said: Quote: So many holes with a cap as bad as ours. I trust the new GM to show is his process and plans in actuality and not snippets of quotes. Plus, I want to see who our coach is. Keep in mind, I am sure many people believe GMen could have beaten Miami, Chicago and Wash late last season if Jones had played. Glad it didn't happen to get a fresh start at GM and HC You don't give Jones $20M for yr 5, then claim you care about the cap.

Where did that poster suggest giving Jones an extension?

and then off the roster in 2023.

Line up your college QB prospects now.

what else could he say? He could say "It will be my job to evaluate everyone" ... simple.

To diminish his trade value. They can’t just come out and say he sucks.

This just reminds me of Gettleman coming in saying Eli can still be the guy.

I know, totally different circumstances but…

Just go full rebuild please.

In comment 15566216 Mike in NY said:

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Saying you hate him kills any trade value and will cause a FA to demand starter money

Bingo

In comment 15566276 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15566267 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15566265 jvm52106 said: Quote: So many holes with a cap as bad as ours. I trust the new GM to show is his process and plans in actuality and not snippets of quotes. Plus, I want to see who our coach is. Keep in mind, I am sure many people believe GMen could have beaten Miami, Chicago and Wash late last season if Jones had played. Glad it didn't happen to get a fresh start at GM and HC You don't give Jones $20M for yr 5, then claim you care about the cap. Where did that poster suggest giving Jones an extension?

The poster insinuates that with our cap situation we may not be able to address QB, but we have an impending decision with Jones, prior to the season with enormous cap implications.

You can't hide behind the cap excuse with Jones, and then give him 20M toward 2023.

In comment 15566216 Mike in NY said:

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Saying you hate him kills any trade value and will cause a FA to demand starter money

This

In comment 15566272 cosmicj said:

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Not what he says.

this.

No need to exercise his option in early May. If cleared let him be part of the QB competition to start in 2022 against a FA vet or a drafted rookie.

My question for my northeast Giant fanes is how connected is Paul Schwartz to the Giant organization is this just his opinion??

In comment 15566220 Sean said:

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Jones is entering his 4th year with health concerns. When you start a teardown, you don’t build around a QB who hasn’t produced, can’t stay healthy & is deep into his rookie deal. The window was missed.

Did he not produce in year 1?

I'm not a strong believer in DJ, but I do hold out a little hope that year 1 was a glimpse into what could be. Given how horrible the conditions have been in years 2 & 3, I do not place all of the blame on the low production squarely on his shoulders. The offensive line was offensive and the lack of weapons in year 2 and injuries in year 3 also played a factor. Add to that the fact JG/FK/JJ were the OCs. A lot of hope lies in the idea that we are going to have an OC has a clue how to unlock not only DJ's potential (Ala Shurm) but devise a scheme that brings the Giants into modern day football:)

In comment 15566283 GiantsRage2007 said:

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This just reminds me of Gettleman coming in saying Eli can still be the guy. I know, totally different circumstances but… Just go full rebuild please.

They are. However, as many have already stated, this is the smart thing to say at the moment.

Can't show your hand too soon. And we don't even have a HC yet. No point in telling the rest of the league your plans prior to the draft.

In comment 15566297 Rick in Dallas said:

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No need to exercise his option in early May. If cleared let him be part of the QB competition to start in 2022 against a FA vet or a drafted rookie. My question for my northeast Giant fanes is how connected is Paul Schwartz to the Giant organization is this just his opinion??

Quite connected and used by organization to sometimes float things.

In comment 15566219 Jimmy Googs said:

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with DJ and future trade interest from other teams. Well done...

sure it could be that. Bottom line is nobody should read into any reports that come out at this point. The guy has not even had his first press conference. I highly doubt he has had ANY time at all to analyze and watch film on Jones.

Couple that with the fact that there is a chance we do not find a better replacement this off season for whatever reason. Then, we would have to start DJ this season. It would be a very awkward situation if the GM made negative comments about his QB only a few days into the job.

but who told him this? John Mara? Chris Mara? Steve Tisch? They were the only ones in the room. Now we know why the entire league knows who the Giants plan to draft in the 1st round every year.

In comment 15566289 Producer said:

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You can't hide behind the cap excuse with Jones, and then give him 20M toward 2023.

you also cannot as a new GM come in here and start saying anything negative about any player at this point. Dont be stupid

over faint praise. Since there is no other qb at the moment and no money to go get one, Danny Dimes is the QB1.

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“Josh Rosen is our guy” - ( New Window )

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In comment 15566276 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15566267 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15566265 jvm52106 said: Quote: So many holes with a cap as bad as ours. I trust the new GM to show is his process and plans in actuality and not snippets of quotes. Plus, I want to see who our coach is. Keep in mind, I am sure many people believe GMen could have beaten Miami, Chicago and Wash late last season if Jones had played. Glad it didn't happen to get a fresh start at GM and HC You don't give Jones $20M for yr 5, then claim you care about the cap. Where did that poster suggest giving Jones an extension? The poster insinuates that with our cap situation we may not be able to address QB, but we have an impending decision with Jones, prior to the season with enormous cap implications. You can't hide behind the cap excuse with Jones, and then give him 20M toward 2023.

Bullshit. He did not insinuate anything. You seem to think that if Jones is on the team this season it means that they either picked up his 5th year option or extended him for 5 seasons. That’s nonsense. The Giants don’t have to do either. He’s under contract for next season.

In comment 15566315 Strahan91 said:

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. “Josh Rosen is our guy” - ( New Window )

This is true but as Mel Kiper said...there isnt a QB in this draft class that is better than Daniel Jones.

QB as a backup to Jones or as a replacement “prove it” starter will get you the same guy at the same contract price. Giants need 2 QBs as was obvious last year and this year so you keep Jones and sign the veteran. Finding a QB in this draft is a long shot even if using a high draft pick which right now is too valuable for other positions than a QB who will sit for a year.

In comment 15566308 EricJ said:

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In comment 15566219 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: with DJ and future trade interest from other teams. Well done... sure it could be that. Bottom line is nobody should read into any reports that come out at this point. The guy has not even had his first press conference. I highly doubt he has had ANY time at all to analyze and watch film on Jones. Couple that with the fact that there is a chance we do not find a better replacement this off season for whatever reason. Then, we would have to start DJ this season. It would be a very awkward situation if the GM made negative comments about his QB only a few days into the job.

Agree with all that.

It just took me less words to suggest the same thing...

when Schoen asked Daboll about DJ and whether or not he believes he can work with him

with DJ we'll win a minimum of 6 games, taking us out of contention.