Paul Schwartz: Schoen believes Daniel Jones can be his QB

Better OC, OL, and receivers and our option of him may change.

What do people think of Bailey Zapped as a possible mid round quarterback draft pick. I think he is underated

In comment 15566228 BigBlue7 said:

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Leading up to the draft

This.

He may mean that, but if he didn’t, realistically what else would he say? “Jones isn’t very good. He isn’t our QB moving forward?”

He could be an NFL QB if he could learn to read a defense and process information much faster than he does now. I am not hopeful that that is something that can be taught at this point.

a starter. He is going to say all the nice things, get on the players side, and then look for himself. My guess is he doesn't know if Jones is the guy or not, so why say anything until he makes a decision.

There is no upside to saying anything negative at this point

In comment 15566328 Big Blue '56 said:

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when Schoen asked Daboll about DJ and whether or not he believes he can work with him

Well if Daboll said he could then I’d pay good money to attend the first practice. These guys have been used to watching Josh Allen and his insane abilities. Watching Jones is going to be, ummm, culture shock in comparison. Yeah. We’ll go with culture shock to be kind.

In comment 15566338 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15566328 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: when Schoen asked Daboll about DJ and whether or not he believes he can work with him Well if Daboll said he could then I’d pay good money to attend the first practice. These guys have been used to watching Josh Allen and his insane abilities. Watching Jones is going to be, ummm, culture shock in comparison. Yeah. We’ll go with culture shock to be kind.

Of Big Blue Shock? 😎

Get the relationship off on the right foot, protect any trade value they might be able to create, etc.

In comment 15566339 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15566338 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15566328 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: when Schoen asked Daboll about DJ and whether or not he believes he can work with him Well if Daboll said he could then I’d pay good money to attend the first practice. These guys have been used to watching Josh Allen and his insane abilities. Watching Jones is going to be, ummm, culture shock in comparison. Yeah. We’ll go with culture shock to be kind. Of Big Blue Shock? 😎

Haha! That too

Trades Jones in a couple of months, no one is going to remember that he said this

In comment 15566343 JonC said:

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Get the relationship off on the right foot, protect any trade value they might be able to create, etc.

You are making too much sense.

Now!

In comment 15566343 JonC said:

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Get the relationship off on the right foot, protect any trade value they might be able to create, etc.

Quite right. If for nothing else, protect your options in the draft, doubly so with two picks in the first 10.

Other thing is we as fans have had so little to cheer about on the field the past ten years (minus the fleeting success of '16), it's natural to want instant fixes and gratification, at QB, OL, whatever. Yes, we agree we're going to suck, again, in '22, but this is going to be a slow, grinding process of shedding poor players and contracts and acquiring winning players, all w/o much cap space. It is going to require patience and skill on the part of our new FO. DJ status in '22 is just one piece of a multi-piece puzzle.

Schwartz also says not to dismiss QB being drafted in the first 3 rounds.

because he always misses games.
See how he does next year and then make a decision?

Foundation pieces first especially the oline. Who knows a competent line and a modern offense maybe he could surprise us stranger things have happened

In comment 15566329 markky said:

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with DJ we'll win a minimum of 6 games, taking us out of contention.

I’m with you markky but even if that’s Schoen’s plan, you still praise Jones publicly.

In comment 15566321 BigBlueShock said:

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Bullshit. He did not insinuate anything. You seem to think that if Jones is on the team this season it means that they either picked up his 5th year option or extended him for 5 seasons. That’s nonsense. The Giants don’t have to do either. He’s under contract for next season.

This
He can be on the roster in 2022 with no future commitment.
Also, the team can go "full rebuild" without replacing every player in 2022... including the QB.

it is forget what they are saying publicly. I really like Schoen, I think he was part of a great build in Buffalo. From all accounts, he was very much involved and responsible. So, I'm going to trust him, at least until there's a reason not to. I am anxious to see who the HC is, and then we will see where Jones stands. There will be A LOT going on over the next couple of months.

With Jones' neck also tying into it.

In comment 15566394 Sean said:

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Schwartz also says not to dismiss QB being drafted in the first 3 rounds.

This is actually more important than the thread title

In comment 15566394 Sean said:

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Schwartz also says not to dismiss QB being drafted in the first 3 rounds.

Shocking that part was left out

In comment 15566585 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15566394 Sean said: Quote: Schwartz also says not to dismiss QB being drafted in the first 3 rounds. Shocking that part was left out

Now why would anyone want to leave that out?

In comment 15566323 Ivan15 said:

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QB as a backup to Jones or as a replacement “prove it” starter will get you the same guy at the same contract price. Giants need 2 QBs as was obvious last year and this year so you keep Jones and sign the veteran. Finding a QB in this draft is a long shot even if using a high draft pick which right now is too valuable for other positions than a QB who will sit for a year.

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^This...Until Jones proves he is healthy, he has very little
to no trade value. People are not going to be lining up for his services.
I said previously, need to find a veteran to come in and compete with him, like a Dalton for example.
By all means, do not, I repeat do not pick up his 5th year option. That would be foolhardy at this point.

In comment 15566642 Carson53 said:

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In comment 15566323 Ivan15 said: Quote: QB as a backup to Jones or as a replacement “prove it” starter will get you the same guy at the same contract price. Giants need 2 QBs as was obvious last year and this year so you keep Jones and sign the veteran. Finding a QB in this draft is a long shot even if using a high draft pick which right now is too valuable for other positions than a QB who will sit for a year. . ^This...Until Jones proves he is healthy, he has very little to no trade value. People are not going to be lining up for his services. I said previously, need to find a veteran to come in and compete with him, like a Dalton for example. By all means, do not, I repeat do not pick up his 5th year option. That would be foolhardy at this point.

If the injury is something he'll return from, there's going to be a team (Denver?) that believes they can rehabilitate him. Maybe won't get high of a pick in return, but he's certainly a tradeable asset

Kingsbury said the same thing about Josh Rosen.

Hey, let's get a new coach\GM and let them decide. If they respond in a positive way about Jones all the fans are now saying the new Coach/GM are wrong... Gotta love Giants fans running around with their hair on fire!!!

In comment 15566282 JoeyBigBlue said:

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To diminish his trade value. They can’t just come out and say he sucks.

Exactly, no one who understands business and leadership says Im going to fire everyone. They say, we'll look at him, we think he has skills, we'll try to make improvements. If we can't, there's 2023 and FA Qbs. What else would we expect him to say?

he’ll pick up Jones’s 5th year option. If he doesn’t, they would have to franchise DJ if they want to keep him, paying him $10-15M more than the option number. That’s bad cap management.

In comment 15566322 mphbullet36 said:

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In comment 15566315 Strahan91 said: Quote: . “Josh Rosen is our guy” - ( New Window ) This is true but as Mel Kiper said...there isnt a QB in this draft class that is better than Daniel Jones.

Kiper's love affair with Jones dates back to before the 2019 draft. He's not really an impartial opinion on this one.

Nobody is going to clear DJ For contact before August because there is no opportunity for contact before August. I think this was greatly misunderstood from the beginning. I don’t think DJ would already be unavailable for a blue white game in May because he’s not cleared for contact.


In comment 15566297 Rick in Dallas said:

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No need to exercise his option in early May. If cleared let him be part of the QB competition to start in 2022 against a FA vet or a drafted rookie. My question for my northeast Giant fanes is how connected is Paul Schwartz to the Giant organization is this just his opinion??