Jones is viewed as a franchise QB around the league.
I’ve heard this as well and from some “connected” people as well..The proof will be in the pudding in the coming months, imv, one way or the other. That’s if he is even medically cleared.
Regardless, I’m pretty sure he’ll have competition
Jones is viewed as a franchise QB around the league.
What does that mean, top 10/top 15/top 20? Tiki said yesterday on the air that Kyle Shanahan has said something along the lines, "if you aren' a top 15 QB in the league, the team will look to get better and move on from you"
Jones has not been a top 15 QB in the league, time to move on from him. Biggest mistake DG made (IMO) was not selecting Herbert and trading Jones when his stock was highest
I wouldn’t take the Giants Insider podcast as gospel, a lot of arrogance from Chris Bisignano and he has been proven wrong plenty.
1. Injury history
2. Already year 4 of his rookie deal
3. There has been no production
4. He hasn’t elevated anyone else
I do not get the loyalty to Jones. We also think the front office nailed the Jones pick based on their history everywhere else?
Surprised by your take on Bisignano, he s one of the guys that seem connected to me. He s wrong a lot? I ll take your word for that. But situations are fluid ,so is the info guys like him receive
Jones is viewed as a franchise QB around the league.
What does that mean, top 10/top 15/top 20? Tiki said yesterday on the air that Kyle Shanahan has said something along the lines, "if you aren' a top 15 QB in the league, the team will look to get better and move on from you"
Jones has not been a top 15 QB in the league, time to move on from him. Biggest mistake DG made (IMO) was not selecting Herbert and trading Jones when his stock was highest
Exactly..
It's all about the 5th yr option.
That speaks louder than some spot on a podcast. He has no reason to say what he thinks.
If he picks up the 5th yr option. Then we have a problem.
I listen to the podcast, just find him to be arrogant and tends to call out fans with opposing takes on twitter. I appreciate the resource.
As for Jones: I recall something you said after the Eli benching. Something along the lines “there are people who are acting like bigger Eli fans than Giant fans.” I feel this way with Jones.
My concerns with Jones is the fact that going all in on him could be a disaster for the franchise. He has durability concerns and hasn’t produced. Do you think picking up his 5th year option is good? I don’t want to be in QB hell with a ‘maybe’ mediocre QB. Scares me.
I wouldn’t take the Giants Insider podcast as gospel, a lot of arrogance from Chris Bisignano and he has been proven wrong plenty.
1. Injury history
2. Already year 4 of his rookie deal
3. There has been no production
4. He hasn’t elevated anyone else
I do not get the loyalty to Jones. We also think the front office nailed the Jones pick based on their history everywhere else?
Surprised by your take on Bisignano, he s one of the guys that seem connected to me. He s wrong a lot? I ll take your word for that. But situations are fluid ,so is the info guys like him receive
Its a real huge stretch and tough time believing he was fed legit and direct info on the GM interviews which were closed to select trio. Also he’s been wrong a lot lately on some things when he’s presented them on his podcast.
I am going to let my new GM and new HC do what they need to do to get the Giants back.
If many in the league felt the Giants system, their scouring and player selection and specifically their historically bad Oline group were the main causes of a complete demise then perhaps they see a way back to respectability faster than we do.
I don't agree with GoTerps or BW that you draft a rookie QB high this year just because, none of them scream quality targets to me for a team that needs a vet presence for a year or two. Jones might be economically the best option here for 2022 but, again I will let my new GM decide where things go.
Not very likely but who knows… As good as these candidates sound they were top 3 because of the biases of the front office and because they afford an ability to continue living in an echo chamber.
Wait Joe, you don’t like Daniel Jones?
Pat tell the press Hortiz bombed.
Huh, Me Poles? Jones processing and feel are poor?
Pat tell the press Poles is very young and will be a great GM somewhere else.
Not very likely but who knows… As good as these candidates sound they were top 3 because of the biases of the front office and because they afford an ability to continue living in an echo chamber.
Wait Joe, you don’t like Daniel Jones?
Pat tell the press Hortiz bombed.
Huh, Me Poles? Jones processing and feel are poor?
Pat tell the press Poles is very young and will be a great GM somewhere else.
I listen to the podcast, just find him to be arrogant and tends to call out fans with opposing takes on twitter. I appreciate the resource.
As for Jones: I recall something you said after the Eli benching. Something along the lines “there are people who are acting like bigger Eli fans than Giant fans.” I feel this way with Jones.
My concerns with Jones is the fact that going all in on him could be a disaster for the franchise. He has durability concerns and hasn’t produced. Do you think picking up his 5th year option is good? I don’t want to be in QB hell with a ‘maybe’ mediocre QB. Scares me.
I’d rather start new at the position.
I agree there are fans who seem to be bigger Jones fans than Giants fans, or maybe bigger fans of being proven right than Giants fans; I probably come across as one of those
All I can state is: I m a Giants fan first and foremost. Right now I still believe the best case scenario for the team is for Jones to turn out to be the guy, it seems less likely than likely at this pt.
But as long as he is part of the team, that s what I root for. If Schoen decides to move on, I m immediately behind the other guy, that s the truth of who I am as a fan.
I would gloat a bit if Jones did turn this around, I m human, but I will also admit I was wrong when and if they move on. I liked Kent Graham and Randy Johnson, for goodness sake,I know you probably don’t even know who Johnson is, pt being I know my limitations,….. I have no other agenda as a fan than to see my team win.
But I get your pt. Told you before you re one of the posters I pay attention to, you bring good stuff.
I wouldn’t take the Giants Insider podcast as gospel, a lot of arrogance from Chris Bisignano and he has been proven wrong plenty.
1. Injury history
2. Already year 4 of his rookie deal
3. There has been no production
4. He hasn’t elevated anyone else
I do not get the loyalty to Jones. We also think the front office nailed the Jones pick based on their history everywhere else?
Surprised by your take on Bisignano, he s one of the guys that seem connected to me. He s wrong a lot? I ll take your word for that. But situations are fluid ,so is the info guys like him receive
Its a real huge stretch and tough time believing he was fed legit and direct info on the GM interviews which were closed to select trio. Also he’s been wrong a lot lately on some things when he’s presented them on his podcast.
It was a little odd that he said it after the name was announced, like he was holding onto the info and waiting to release it.
He made Darius Slayton and Golden Tate look passable in the league. Both guys have been terrible since.
I think more than anything else, they see his rookie year was shelved with Nate Solder as his blindside tackle, no quality wide receivers, and an injured star RB. Next two seasons marred by injuries, injuries to all over his receivers, Barkley, a bad line yet again, and worst of all, a scheme that benefited no one.
I'm not saying it's the best idea to go forward with Jones and no alternative. Especially with his health in the air. However, he's cheap and has one year left. If he's healthy, he's going to be there and I am certain Schoen will go after someone to compete in the system and with Jones. Thinking Mitch Trubisky. Drafting a kid is possible too, guess we'll see.
He will likely have vet competition. If he wins the job for 2022, good for him.
No blue chip QBs in this draft, spending the 5 or 7 is the same thing as spending the 6 on Jones. If we spend all cap on premier vet, no cap for anything else next year.
Giants are not competing next year, so do what’s right, build through the draft, get past the bad cap sit in 2022 (don’t kick the can again, tear off the bandage). Put a quality line in front of whomever the QB is, have healthy skill players. Show marked improvement and then game on in 2023 and beyond. 10 years of decreasing returns and bad decisions can’t all be fixed in one off season.
I believe in whatever the GM and HC believes best. If HC is Daboll, let’s let him give Jones the Josh Allen treatment and see what happens. I want improvement of the entire team next year, not a miracle.
Who you are still unsure about and he is under contract, you keep him at least long enough to evaluate him under different (o-line) conditions. Any GM who decides to replace him without trying to do that evaluation isn’t a GM that I would want. No fifth year option.
On the other hand, Barkley is in the same situation (playing on his 5th year option), but RB is easily replaced so what happens with him will be interesting.
Unless the new GM and coach feel they can bring in a clear upgrade in 2022, I expect Jones to be on the team and competing to start next year if he is cleared medically.
As far as Giants Insider goes unless he's speaking directly to John Mara or Steve Tisch he's getting his information from someone who is somewhat responsible for Daniel Jones being on the Giants in the first place. There were 4 people in the room for each of these interviews. Who is telling people all the GMs liked Jones?
that DJ will play out this coming season (if he plays at all) on his 4th year $8 million and will not have his 5th year picked up. If he plays well then they can work on a new contract. If not, bye bye.
to also like other QBs better. Also, having full debates based on 2nd and 3rd hand information is pointless. I doubt they all expressed their like for him in the same way and to the same degree.
Even if all of them like Jones they may have concerns about his injury and injury history.
Regardless if they like Jones, we need a functional backup QB. We could very easily take a QB they like better than Jones, a backup QB that has a lot of promise that can win some games if Jones gets hurt.
Also, maybe they know if they select a rookie QB this year to start with the oline we have, they are going to look like they choose a bust.
So they can say lets build up the offense and we like Jones. We have not been able to truly judge him because of the oline, the offensive system and his injuries.
Now they build up the offense and he does well, great and if he doesn't they get to say that we liked him and now that we have been able to evaluate him with a competent oline, we are going in another direction.
Gave a full vote of confidence to Josh Rosen saying “he is our guy” when everyone knew they were Taking Kyler Murray #1 overall. If any of the GM candidates said anything less about Jones it would show they have no business being in the NFL.
You don’t go into an interview and rip apart the guys across from you drafted. You don’t start your time with a team by telling a player you haven’t even talked to that his career there is over. There is a ton of downside and no upside.
What Schoen DOES with Daniel Jones will tell you what him and the coach think of him. His words are what he has to say. Does he pick up the 5th year option? Does he not bring in anyone to compete for the job? That will tell me he means this. If he does both, it tells me the jury just came into the court and won’t look at the defendant.
I listen to the podcast, just find him to be arrogant and tends to call out fans with opposing takes on twitter. I appreciate the resource.
As for Jones: I recall something you said after the Eli benching. Something along the lines “there are people who are acting like bigger Eli fans than Giant fans.” I feel this way with Jones.
My concerns with Jones is the fact that going all in on him could be a disaster for the franchise. He has durability concerns and hasn’t produced. Do you think picking up his 5th year option is good? I don’t want to be in QB hell with a ‘maybe’ mediocre QB. Scares me.
I’d rather start new at the position.
I agree there are fans who seem to be bigger Jones fans than Giants fans, or maybe bigger fans of being proven right than Giants fans; I probably come across as one of those
All I can state is: I m a Giants fan first and foremost. Right now I still believe the best case scenario for the team is for Jones to turn out to be the guy, it seems less likely than likely at this pt.
But as long as he is part of the team, that s what I root for. If Schoen decides to move on, I m immediately behind the other guy, that s the truth of who I am as a fan.
I would gloat a bit if Jones did turn this around, I m human, but I will also admit I was wrong when and if they move on. I liked Kent Graham and Randy Johnson, for goodness sake,I know you probably don’t even know who Johnson is, pt being I know my limitations,….. I have no other agenda as a fan than to see my team win.
But I get your pt. Told you before you re one of the posters I pay attention to, you bring good stuff.
Well said Joe. It's exactly where I am with it. On another thread I said they'd be a meltdown on BBI if the new GM and HC wanted Jones. Here it is only a rumor and we have no HC and it's already started. Everyone needs to let this play out.
doesn’t have that it factor. The ability to elevate his team when needed. He still locks onto to receivers and is poor at processing things going on, as well as having poor pocket presence. I don’t believe that will change that drastically, even with a better Oline. I will say that the only time he’s looked decent, was with Shurmur’s offense. Maybe a scheme change and personnel upgrades could make him a better QB?!
What this means (if true) is that Jones is likely the caretaker QB in 2022, unless another team takes a flyer and trades for him.
And yes, you don't leak out that the guy you want to trade isn't good, or may get cut. Deception has been around football forever (look at McCarthy in Dallas lying to Jerry Jones to get a job).
I seriously doubt Schoen is hitching his ride with DJ
Gave a full vote of confidence to Josh Rosen saying “he is our guy” when everyone knew they were Taking Kyler Murray #1 overall. If any of the GM candidates said anything less about Jones it would show they have no business being in the NFL.
You don’t go into an interview and rip apart the guys across from you drafted. You don’t start your time with a team by telling a player you haven’t even talked to that his career there is over. There is a ton of downside and no upside.
What Schoen DOES with Daniel Jones will tell you what him and the coach think of him. His words are what he has to say. Does he pick up the 5th year option? Does he not bring in anyone to compete for the job? That will tell me he means this. If he does both, it tells me the jury just came into the court and won’t look at the defendant.
Because of his cheap contact and lack of staying candidates. So, of course, they are going to say nice things. Long term plan is probably very different.
And lol at people who still think he is highly graded in the league
In comment 15566411 greatgrandpa said:
[quote] Are mutually exclusive. It may be a moot point anyway. Jones is an injury waiting to happen and once your cervical spine has been injured…. [/
+1. What do you expect these guys to say? Really think they’re going to come out and not the guy.
1 interesting piece of history if hc ends up flores - tannehill trade
when he got to the Dolphins Miami traded Tannehill to Tennessee for a 2020 fourth-round pick along with a 2019 seventh-round pick in exchange for Tannehill and a 2019 sixth-round pick.
that year they ended up trading a 2nd round pick for Rosen who obviously flopped, and mostly riding Fitzpatrick, and ultimately drafting Tua (over Herbert).
obviously there is a lot for Flores to reflect on in terms of how he ran the offenses in the 3 years in Miami, but first on that list is that he gave away Tannehill before he got a chance to coach him.
Translation — all three GM finalists are wise enough to not take a position against a player currently on the roster, and cause unnecessary issues for themselves.
It’s what you expect to hear given the circumstances. He knew before he said yes all the questions. Let’s see how it looks in May. It’s possible DJ is the QB next season. There is no money and might not be a good option in the draft. They will bring in competition though and that won’t be hard to do.
I’ve heard this as well and from some “connected” people as well..The proof will be in the pudding in the coming months, imv, one way or the other. That’s if he is even medically cleared.
Regardless, I’m pretty sure he’ll have competition
1. Injury history
2. Already year 4 of his rookie deal
3. There has been no production
4. He hasn’t elevated anyone else
I do not get the loyalty to Jones. We also think the front office nailed the Jones pick based on their history everywhere else?
What does that mean, top 10/top 15/top 20? Tiki said yesterday on the air that Kyle Shanahan has said something along the lines, "if you aren' a top 15 QB in the league, the team will look to get better and move on from you"
Jones has not been a top 15 QB in the league, time to move on from him. Biggest mistake DG made (IMO) was not selecting Herbert and trading Jones when his stock was highest
1. Injury history
2. Already year 4 of his rookie deal
3. There has been no production
4. He hasn’t elevated anyone else
I do not get the loyalty to Jones. We also think the front office nailed the Jones pick based on their history everywhere else?
Surprised by your take on Bisignano, he s one of the guys that seem connected to me. He s wrong a lot? I ll take your word for that. But situations are fluid ,so is the info guys like him receive
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Jones is viewed as a franchise QB around the league.
What does that mean, top 10/top 15/top 20? Tiki said yesterday on the air that Kyle Shanahan has said something along the lines, "if you aren' a top 15 QB in the league, the team will look to get better and move on from you"
Jones has not been a top 15 QB in the league, time to move on from him. Biggest mistake DG made (IMO) was not selecting Herbert and trading Jones when his stock was highest
Exactly..
It's all about the 5th yr option.
That speaks louder than some spot on a podcast. He has no reason to say what he thinks.
If he picks up the 5th yr option. Then we have a problem.
As for Jones: I recall something you said after the Eli benching. Something along the lines “there are people who are acting like bigger Eli fans than Giant fans.” I feel this way with Jones.
My concerns with Jones is the fact that going all in on him could be a disaster for the franchise. He has durability concerns and hasn’t produced. Do you think picking up his 5th year option is good? I don’t want to be in QB hell with a ‘maybe’ mediocre QB. Scares me.
I’d rather start new at the position.
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I wouldn’t take the Giants Insider podcast as gospel, a lot of arrogance from Chris Bisignano and he has been proven wrong plenty.
1. Injury history
2. Already year 4 of his rookie deal
3. There has been no production
4. He hasn’t elevated anyone else
I do not get the loyalty to Jones. We also think the front office nailed the Jones pick based on their history everywhere else?
Surprised by your take on Bisignano, he s one of the guys that seem connected to me. He s wrong a lot? I ll take your word for that. But situations are fluid ,so is the info guys like him receive
Its a real huge stretch and tough time believing he was fed legit and direct info on the GM interviews which were closed to select trio. Also he’s been wrong a lot lately on some things when he’s presented them on his podcast.
If many in the league felt the Giants system, their scouring and player selection and specifically their historically bad Oline group were the main causes of a complete demise then perhaps they see a way back to respectability faster than we do.
I don't agree with GoTerps or BW that you draft a rookie QB high this year just because, none of them scream quality targets to me for a team that needs a vet presence for a year or two. Jones might be economically the best option here for 2022 but, again I will let my new GM decide where things go.
Wait Joe, you don’t like Daniel Jones?
Pat tell the press Hortiz bombed.
Huh, Me Poles? Jones processing and feel are poor?
Pat tell the press Poles is very young and will be a great GM somewhere else.
Wait Joe, you don’t like Daniel Jones?
Pat tell the press Hortiz bombed.
Huh, Me Poles? Jones processing and feel are poor?
Pat tell the press Poles is very young and will be a great GM somewhere else.
This would be very unfortunate, if true.
As for Jones: I recall something you said after the Eli benching. Something along the lines “there are people who are acting like bigger Eli fans than Giant fans.” I feel this way with Jones.
My concerns with Jones is the fact that going all in on him could be a disaster for the franchise. He has durability concerns and hasn’t produced. Do you think picking up his 5th year option is good? I don’t want to be in QB hell with a ‘maybe’ mediocre QB. Scares me.
I’d rather start new at the position.
I agree there are fans who seem to be bigger Jones fans than Giants fans, or maybe bigger fans of being proven right than Giants fans; I probably come across as one of those
All I can state is: I m a Giants fan first and foremost. Right now I still believe the best case scenario for the team is for Jones to turn out to be the guy, it seems less likely than likely at this pt.
But as long as he is part of the team, that s what I root for. If Schoen decides to move on, I m immediately behind the other guy, that s the truth of who I am as a fan.
I would gloat a bit if Jones did turn this around, I m human, but I will also admit I was wrong when and if they move on. I liked Kent Graham and Randy Johnson, for goodness sake,I know you probably don’t even know who Johnson is, pt being I know my limitations,….. I have no other agenda as a fan than to see my team win.
But I get your pt. Told you before you re one of the posters I pay attention to, you bring good stuff.
Rather or not DJ is the QB, they have to rebuild the talent anyways.
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I wouldn’t take the Giants Insider podcast as gospel, a lot of arrogance from Chris Bisignano and he has been proven wrong plenty.
1. Injury history
2. Already year 4 of his rookie deal
3. There has been no production
4. He hasn’t elevated anyone else
I do not get the loyalty to Jones. We also think the front office nailed the Jones pick based on their history everywhere else?
Surprised by your take on Bisignano, he s one of the guys that seem connected to me. He s wrong a lot? I ll take your word for that. But situations are fluid ,so is the info guys like him receive
Its a real huge stretch and tough time believing he was fed legit and direct info on the GM interviews which were closed to select trio. Also he’s been wrong a lot lately on some things when he’s presented them on his podcast.
It was a little odd that he said it after the name was announced, like he was holding onto the info and waiting to release it.
But what specifically has he been wrong about?
He made Darius Slayton and Golden Tate look passable in the league. Both guys have been terrible since.
I think more than anything else, they see his rookie year was shelved with Nate Solder as his blindside tackle, no quality wide receivers, and an injured star RB. Next two seasons marred by injuries, injuries to all over his receivers, Barkley, a bad line yet again, and worst of all, a scheme that benefited no one.
I'm not saying it's the best idea to go forward with Jones and no alternative. Especially with his health in the air. However, he's cheap and has one year left. If he's healthy, he's going to be there and I am certain Schoen will go after someone to compete in the system and with Jones. Thinking Mitch Trubisky. Drafting a kid is possible too, guess we'll see.
No blue chip QBs in this draft, spending the 5 or 7 is the same thing as spending the 6 on Jones. If we spend all cap on premier vet, no cap for anything else next year.
Giants are not competing next year, so do what’s right, build through the draft, get past the bad cap sit in 2022 (don’t kick the can again, tear off the bandage). Put a quality line in front of whomever the QB is, have healthy skill players. Show marked improvement and then game on in 2023 and beyond. 10 years of decreasing returns and bad decisions can’t all be fixed in one off season.
I believe in whatever the GM and HC believes best. If HC is Daboll, let’s let him give Jones the Josh Allen treatment and see what happens. I want improvement of the entire team next year, not a miracle.
But lots of time between now and August.
On the other hand, Barkley is in the same situation (playing on his 5th year option), but RB is easily replaced so what happens with him will be interesting.
As far as Giants Insider goes unless he's speaking directly to John Mara or Steve Tisch he's getting his information from someone who is somewhat responsible for Daniel Jones being on the Giants in the first place. There were 4 people in the room for each of these interviews. Who is telling people all the GMs liked Jones?
sure... more intelligence rising to the surface on this website
We all know 2022 is a wait and transition year.
I think that the Giants should have abandoned the search to find GMs who agree with BBI.
Is it even remotely possible that the GMs know more than we do?
Really very simple, imv. Not rocket science.
Even if all of them like Jones they may have concerns about his injury and injury history.
Regardless if they like Jones, we need a functional backup QB. We could very easily take a QB they like better than Jones, a backup QB that has a lot of promise that can win some games if Jones gets hurt.
Also, maybe they know if they select a rookie QB this year to start with the oline we have, they are going to look like they choose a bust.
So they can say lets build up the offense and we like Jones. We have not been able to truly judge him because of the oline, the offensive system and his injuries.
Now they build up the offense and he does well, great and if he doesn't they get to say that we liked him and now that we have been able to evaluate him with a competent oline, we are going in another direction.
You don’t go into an interview and rip apart the guys across from you drafted. You don’t start your time with a team by telling a player you haven’t even talked to that his career there is over. There is a ton of downside and no upside.
What Schoen DOES with Daniel Jones will tell you what him and the coach think of him. His words are what he has to say. Does he pick up the 5th year option? Does he not bring in anyone to compete for the job? That will tell me he means this. If he does both, it tells me the jury just came into the court and won’t look at the defendant.
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I listen to the podcast, just find him to be arrogant and tends to call out fans with opposing takes on twitter. I appreciate the resource.
As for Jones: I recall something you said after the Eli benching. Something along the lines “there are people who are acting like bigger Eli fans than Giant fans.” I feel this way with Jones.
My concerns with Jones is the fact that going all in on him could be a disaster for the franchise. He has durability concerns and hasn’t produced. Do you think picking up his 5th year option is good? I don’t want to be in QB hell with a ‘maybe’ mediocre QB. Scares me.
I’d rather start new at the position.
I agree there are fans who seem to be bigger Jones fans than Giants fans, or maybe bigger fans of being proven right than Giants fans; I probably come across as one of those
All I can state is: I m a Giants fan first and foremost. Right now I still believe the best case scenario for the team is for Jones to turn out to be the guy, it seems less likely than likely at this pt.
But as long as he is part of the team, that s what I root for. If Schoen decides to move on, I m immediately behind the other guy, that s the truth of who I am as a fan.
I would gloat a bit if Jones did turn this around, I m human, but I will also admit I was wrong when and if they move on. I liked Kent Graham and Randy Johnson, for goodness sake,I know you probably don’t even know who Johnson is, pt being I know my limitations,….. I have no other agenda as a fan than to see my team win.
But I get your pt. Told you before you re one of the posters I pay attention to, you bring good stuff.
Well said Joe. It's exactly where I am with it. On another thread I said they'd be a meltdown on BBI if the new GM and HC wanted Jones. Here it is only a rumor and we have no HC and it's already started. Everyone needs to let this play out.
And yes, you don't leak out that the guy you want to trade isn't good, or may get cut. Deception has been around football forever (look at McCarthy in Dallas lying to Jerry Jones to get a job).
I think it’s more likely the Giants go QB in first round which will make BBI implode.
You don’t go into an interview and rip apart the guys across from you drafted. You don’t start your time with a team by telling a player you haven’t even talked to that his career there is over. There is a ton of downside and no upside.
What Schoen DOES with Daniel Jones will tell you what him and the coach think of him. His words are what he has to say. Does he pick up the 5th year option? Does he not bring in anyone to compete for the job? That will tell me he means this. If he does both, it tells me the jury just came into the court and won’t look at the defendant.
Well said.
And lol at people who still think he is highly graded in the league
[quote] Are mutually exclusive. It may be a moot point anyway. Jones is an injury waiting to happen and once your cervical spine has been injured…. [/
+1. What do you expect these guys to say? Really think they’re going to come out and not the guy.
that year they ended up trading a 2nd round pick for Rosen who obviously flopped, and mostly riding Fitzpatrick, and ultimately drafting Tua (over Herbert).
obviously there is a lot for Flores to reflect on in terms of how he ran the offenses in the 3 years in Miami, but first on that list is that he gave away Tannehill before he got a chance to coach him.
Not true
The Titans and Bengals pass protection was rated just as bad.