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Fowler: Patrick Graham getting HC interview w/ Giants

BeckShepEli : 1/22/2022 9:39 am
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BeckShepEli : 1/22/2022 9:39 am : link
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Mara  
Toth029 : 1/22/2022 9:42 am : link
Not inviting his boy Jason in for an interview?
I think that is a good idea.  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2022 9:43 am : link
I don’t necessarily think he should get the job, but I think it shows they recognize what he did with a subpar roster and an overly conservative HC.

It also is not a bad idea for Schoen to understand where the coaches heads are and what transpired with Judge.
Oh God No ... Please No.  
Spider56 : 1/22/2022 9:43 am : link
After watching the team in the last 2 minutes of the half this year, I want absolutely nothing to do with PG ever again.
As long as this is purely a Schoen decision, I'm fine with it  
Anakim : 1/22/2022 9:44 am : link
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This does not surprise me and makes sense  
Giantimistic : 1/22/2022 9:45 am : link
It also makes sense that we would be interested in Flores and maybe even Mcdaniel.

I do think the Giants believed Judge was building a foundation and all three of those coaches could come in and have greater success because the principles have been established.

I think they believe Judge failed on his public relations and his game day coaching. They realized that to do a real GM search they also needed the GM to pick their head coach. AS the chatter suggested Mara wanted to keep Judge.

Apparently they like Graham, Graham loves the Giants and he is very smart and had the best performing Giants unit--obviously failures at the end of halves was not acceptable and could be tied to lack of a pash rush.

I could also see Graham, Judge and Mcdaniel liking the Giants for similar reasons. They may agree with what Judge put in place and will not feel like they are starting over. They may just think they can do it better.

I am not saying that I want to go in this direction, but I can understand it and can see all three doing well.

I am sure there will be other takes on why he his getting an interview, but from all I have read, he is well liked by the players as well.
Pump up his value  
KDavies : 1/22/2022 9:45 am : link
To get those 3rd round comp picks lol
Please no...As a DC maybe? And that's a big maybe.  
Blue21 : 1/22/2022 9:48 am : link
As a HC? A definite no.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2022 9:49 am : link
Jordan Raanan

@JordanRaanan
Patrick Graham was a name I was told to watch. Expected him to get a look. Ownership thinks highly of him.
Yea he deserves that much........  
Simms11 : 1/22/2022 9:50 am : link
but I don’t believe he’s HC material either.
Happy for Graham  
Sean : 1/22/2022 9:50 am : link
If Johnathan Gannon can be the favorite for a HC job in Houston, Graham sure as hell deserves an interview. He’s a good coach.
This is exactly what the smart teams do  
arniefez : 1/22/2022 9:50 am : link
I hope they spend all next week interviewing a dozen guys.

Most of you only know the lawsuit against the NFL and the old crazy Al Davis. In the 60's & 70's he was a football genius. That's what he did when the Raiders were great. He spoke to as many smart people around the league from other teams that he could.

He also mentored Bill Parcells early in his Giants career and all Giant fans owe him a big thanks for that.

The Giants new mantra should be what would Al do. Al Davis was the anti - Wellington when it came to the product on the field.
I want  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2022 9:51 am : link
to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.
It is going to Daboll or Flores.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/22/2022 9:52 am : link
I would be stunned if it isn't.
What's Graham status  
Dave in VA : 1/22/2022 9:52 am : link
Isn't he still the Asst HC? Maybe we could keep him in that dual Asst HC and DC capacity?
RE: What's Graham status  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2022 9:53 am : link
In comment 15566371 Dave in VA said:
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Isn't he still the Asst HC? Maybe we could keep him in that dual Asst HC and DC capacity?


Is that a good thing?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2022 9:55 am : link
Art Stapleton

@art_stapleton
Here were 10 candidates I fired off after Joe Schoen was hired as GM.

Brian Daboll already interviewed, Leslie Frazier on tap for today.

We'll see Brian Flores, Dan Quinn + Patrick Graham also get interviews. @JFowlerESPN just reported Graham will.

Aaron Glenn may be sleeper.
"Ownership thinks highly of him"  
Ben in Tampa : 1/22/2022 9:56 am : link
This is the NFL. Runs on networks and favors.

Giving Graham a HC interview legitimizes him and may lead to more opportunities for him. He could be a real contender, OR, the Giants are doing a solid for a guy they have high admiration for.
Makes sesne  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/22/2022 9:57 am : link
Giants have nothing to lose, just doing their due diligence here, since he's already on the staff
Oh ownership is high on him ?  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/22/2022 9:58 am : link
That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.
 
ryanmkeane : 1/22/2022 9:58 am : link
Aaron Glenn would be an interesting look
RE: …  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2022 10:00 am : link
In comment 15566389 ryanmkeane said:
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Aaron Glenn would be an interesting look


I thought so too.
Parts of me thought Graham  
section125 : 1/22/2022 10:00 am : link
was great at piecing a defense together, but as Eric said, I have never seen a defense that could not stop a team in 2 min offense as we saw last year.
I think the Giants defense has enough players to be good. I did not see it very often after he Chiefs game.

Graham also fulfills the Rooney Rule. And I'd like for them to talk to Byron Leftwich and DeMeco Ryans.
RE: Oh ownership is high on him ?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/22/2022 10:00 am : link
In comment 15566386 GiantsRage2007 said:
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That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.


Dude. Breathe.
Eric makes a good point about the D being soft in the final two  
GiantBlue : 1/22/2022 10:01 am : link
minutes of games, but just last off-season he was a hot commodity for a head coaching position.

I still remember his schemes in the Seattle win the previous season.

Rather than blow up the whole ship.....why not hire your HC to be the offensive guru with his OC and leave Patrick at DC if he does not get any offers.

Then you can concentrate on fixing the offense and see how he runs the D for a 2022-23 re-assessment.

Keeps some stability and maybe sharpens the focus on our broken O.
Why not?  
JohnF : 1/22/2022 10:04 am : link
We don't know how good PG would be with a pass rush (which he hasn't had). Look at the difference between DC Spags championship teams (with Strahan/Osi, etc) and other years where he didn't have a pass rush and the defense stunk.

Did Spags change? Or was he trying to coach without the tools he needed? I though Graham got a lot of mileage out of average to below average players.

Again, he's not at the top of my list, (or likely the Giants list) but it's a good look for other coordinators who may think of coming here with the new HC when the organization treats them with respect.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2022 10:04 am : link
Art Stapleton

@art_stapleton
And when I call Aaron Glenn a sleeper, I mean a sleeper to get an interview for the head coach job.

Still believe the gig ends up between Daboll and Flores.
RE: RE: Oh ownership is high on him ?  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/22/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15566393 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15566386 GiantsRage2007 said:


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That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.



Dude. Breathe.


Lol. Just pointing out Mara just can’t help himself that’s all.

Fingers crossed 🤞
RE: It is going to Daboll or Flores.  
GFAN52 : 1/22/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15566370 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I would be stunned if it isn't.


I will be shocked if Daboll isn't a lock as HC. Who they hire as DC is my question.
Of course he would get a long look,  
Silver Spoon : 1/22/2022 10:08 am : link
Johnny Boy loves mediocrity.
Folks really can't help  
an_idol_mind : 1/22/2022 10:10 am : link
But read their pet theories into everything around here.
Graham Might Provide Some Insight into Flores  
clatterbuck : 1/22/2022 10:12 am : link
and the situation in Miami. Just a thought.
RE: I want  
ZogZerg : 1/22/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15566368 Eric from BBI said:
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to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.


Exactly. I don't get the push for him for a HC. He hasn't proved himself as a coordinator yet.
He will be replaced at DC soon enough  
jc in c-ville : 1/22/2022 10:14 am : link
2021 and his schemes were not kind to him.
From Duggan" Dark Horse Coaching Pipeline  
clatterbuck : 1/22/2022 10:14 am : link
and candidates: "One dark-horse pipeline to keep an eye on: Schoen has a close relationship with Bengals coach Zac Taylor from their time together in Miami. Taylor is part of Rams coach Sean McVay’s fertile tree, so perhaps the search could lead in the direction of Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan or Rams offensive coordinator Kevin O’Connell."
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Matt M. : 1/22/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15566391 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15566389 ryanmkeane said:


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Aaron Glenn would be an interesting look



I thought so too.
Aaron Glenn? Was Detroit's D any good?
The Giants like Graham.  
blueblood : 1/22/2022 10:21 am : link
And they would like to see him advance his career. Him having an interview with Schoen is a good thing, because Schoen can then share his impression with others who might be interested. It also helps Graham understand the process and the kinds of questions that perspective teams might ask.

This also helps Schoen get an assessment of the team from someone who was here for the last two years in a top coaching capacity.

Its a win all around whether Graham gets the job or not.

Why people cant see this boggles my mind.
I wouldnt like it as a hire.  
CV36 : 1/22/2022 10:21 am : link
If it’s for due diligence and or to create interest with other teams fine. Hoping Schoen is just warming up with his little net. Aft PG get the wrong de net out buddy.
RE: I wouldnt like it as a hire.  
CV36 : 1/22/2022 10:23 am : link
In comment 15566453 CV36 said:
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If it’s for due diligence and or to create interest with other teams fine. Hoping Schoen is just warming up with his little net. After PG get the wride net out buddy.
RE: I want  
Matt M. : 1/22/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15566368 Eric from BBI said:
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to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.
I agree. Not just end of games, but end of half. Plus, it is easy to blame the offense for the D being on the field so much in games. But, that is only part of the story. The D is designed to be on the field by giving up chunks of yardage. Their scheme allowed first down after first down intentionally. The secondary was good enough to play, at a high level, but regardless of zone or man, they CBs mostly played 10-15 yards off the ball and the S 20 yards off the ball. Horrible.

I expected A LOT more from Graham. I was greatly disappointed.
RE: ...  
Chocco : 1/22/2022 10:28 am : link
In comment 15566398 Eric from BBI said:
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Art Stapleton

@art_stapleton
And when I call Aaron Glenn a sleeper, I mean a sleeper to get an interview for the head coach job.

Still believe the gig ends up between Daboll and Flores.


My buddy is a huge Lions fan and he is praying that he makes it back to them next season. He made a lot of believers fast over there. I think people maybe underestimating his potential.
Graham  
Trainmaster : 1/22/2022 10:28 am : link
Nooooooooooo

I want him to inflict himself as a HC somewhere else and for the Giants to get the two 3rd rounders.

I hope the only reason Graham is getting a Giants HC interview is to raise his stock for someone else to hire him as a HC.

RE: Folks really can't help  
River Mike : 1/22/2022 10:28 am : link
In comment 15566414 an_idol_mind said:
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But read their pet theories into everything around here.


Ain't that the truth. And reading between the lines is the favorite, though rarely accurate, activity here. It gets comical at times, but hey, it is a discussion board.
RE: Oh ownership is high on him ?  
BillT : 1/22/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15566386 GiantsRage2007 said:
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That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.

You are conflating ”cart blanche” with no owner involvement. They’re not the same thing. Of course the owner is involved. The owner has to be involved. That’s true of not only every NFL franchise but every business in America. Come on.
RE: I want  
Bernie : 1/22/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15566368 Eric from BBI said:
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to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.


This. After all the complaining on this site this year, how can anyone really be excited about the possibility of Graham as head coach? When the defense needed to step up, they failed. So no thank you for me. This team needs a COMPLETE REBUILD.
Graham had a defense with ZERO ability to pass rush  
blueblood : 1/22/2022 10:36 am : link
he had nothing.. thats a problem.
Flores could keep him as DC  
jeff57 : 1/22/2022 10:37 am : link
Because of their NE ties
Would love to see more  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/22/2022 10:37 am : link
8 yards off coverage on 3rd and 2 and 75-0 end of half point differential...
RE: RE: Oh ownership is high on him ?  
Matt M. : 1/22/2022 10:39 am : link
In comment 15566497 BillT said:
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In comment 15566386 GiantsRage2007 said:


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That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.


You are conflating ”cart blanche” with no owner involvement. They’re not the same thing. Of course the owner is involved. The owner has to be involved. That’s true of not only every NFL franchise but every business in America. Come on.
That's exactly what cart blanche means...complete freedom to act. Complete is the key.
RE: I want  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15566368 Eric from BBI said:
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to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.


Agreed. I think he understands the game at high level and can teach well on player development but I question his feel for in game adjustments, scheming matchups and playcalling in crunch time was terrible this year. Judge micromanaged a bit I believe on that but the ridiculous points before half are really on Graham.

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