It also makes sense that we would be interested in Flores and maybe even Mcdaniel.
I do think the Giants believed Judge was building a foundation and all three of those coaches could come in and have greater success because the principles have been established.
I think they believe Judge failed on his public relations and his game day coaching. They realized that to do a real GM search they also needed the GM to pick their head coach. AS the chatter suggested Mara wanted to keep Judge.
Apparently they like Graham, Graham loves the Giants and he is very smart and had the best performing Giants unit--obviously failures at the end of halves was not acceptable and could be tied to lack of a pash rush.
I could also see Graham, Judge and Mcdaniel liking the Giants for similar reasons. They may agree with what Judge put in place and will not feel like they are starting over. They may just think they can do it better.
I am not saying that I want to go in this direction, but I can understand it and can see all three doing well.
I am sure there will be other takes on why he his getting an interview, but from all I have read, he is well liked by the players as well.
I hope they spend all next week interviewing a dozen guys.
Most of you only know the lawsuit against the NFL and the old crazy Al Davis. In the 60's & 70's he was a football genius. That's what he did when the Raiders were great. He spoke to as many smart people around the league from other teams that he could.
He also mentored Bill Parcells early in his Giants career and all Giant fans owe him a big thanks for that.
The Giants new mantra should be what would Al do. Al Davis was the anti - Wellington when it came to the product on the field.
to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.
Giving Graham a HC interview legitimizes him and may lead to more opportunities for him. He could be a real contender, OR, the Giants are doing a solid for a guy they have high admiration for.
was great at piecing a defense together, but as Eric said, I have never seen a defense that could not stop a team in 2 min offense as we saw last year.
I think the Giants defense has enough players to be good. I did not see it very often after he Chiefs game.
Graham also fulfills the Rooney Rule. And I'd like for them to talk to Byron Leftwich and DeMeco Ryans.
minutes of games, but just last off-season he was a hot commodity for a head coaching position.
I still remember his schemes in the Seattle win the previous season.
Rather than blow up the whole ship.....why not hire your HC to be the offensive guru with his OC and leave Patrick at DC if he does not get any offers.
Then you can concentrate on fixing the offense and see how he runs the D for a 2022-23 re-assessment.
Keeps some stability and maybe sharpens the focus on our broken O.
We don't know how good PG would be with a pass rush (which he hasn't had). Look at the difference between DC Spags championship teams (with Strahan/Osi, etc) and other years where he didn't have a pass rush and the defense stunk.
Did Spags change? Or was he trying to coach without the tools he needed? I though Graham got a lot of mileage out of average to below average players.
Again, he's not at the top of my list, (or likely the Giants list) but it's a good look for other coordinators who may think of coming here with the new HC when the organization treats them with respect.
to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.
Exactly. I don't get the push for him for a HC. He hasn't proved himself as a coordinator yet.
and candidates: "One dark-horse pipeline to keep an eye on: Schoen has a close relationship with Bengals coach Zac Taylor from their time together in Miami. Taylor is part of Rams coach Sean McVay’s fertile tree, so perhaps the search could lead in the direction of Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan or Rams offensive coordinator Kevin O’Connell."
And they would like to see him advance his career. Him having an interview with Schoen is a good thing, because Schoen can then share his impression with others who might be interested. It also helps Graham understand the process and the kinds of questions that perspective teams might ask.
This also helps Schoen get an assessment of the team from someone who was here for the last two years in a top coaching capacity.
Its a win all around whether Graham gets the job or not.
If it’s for due diligence and or to create interest with other teams fine. Hoping Schoen is just warming up with his little net. Aft PG get the wrong de net out buddy.
If it’s for due diligence and or to create interest with other teams fine. Hoping Schoen is just warming up with his little net. After PG get the wride net out buddy.
to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.
I agree. Not just end of games, but end of half. Plus, it is easy to blame the offense for the D being on the field so much in games. But, that is only part of the story. The D is designed to be on the field by giving up chunks of yardage. Their scheme allowed first down after first down intentionally. The secondary was good enough to play, at a high level, but regardless of zone or man, they CBs mostly played 10-15 yards off the ball and the S 20 yards off the ball. Horrible.
I expected A LOT more from Graham. I was greatly disappointed.
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And when I call Aaron Glenn a sleeper, I mean a sleeper to get an interview for the head coach job.
Still believe the gig ends up between Daboll and Flores.
My buddy is a huge Lions fan and he is praying that he makes it back to them next season. He made a lot of believers fast over there. I think people maybe underestimating his potential.
But read their pet theories into everything around here.
Ain't that the truth. And reading between the lines is the favorite, though rarely accurate, activity here. It gets comical at times, but hey, it is a discussion board.
That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.
You are conflating ”cart blanche” with no owner involvement. They’re not the same thing. Of course the owner is involved. The owner has to be involved. That’s true of not only every NFL franchise but every business in America. Come on.
to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.
This. After all the complaining on this site this year, how can anyone really be excited about the possibility of Graham as head coach? When the defense needed to step up, they failed. So no thank you for me. This team needs a COMPLETE REBUILD.
Graham had a defense with ZERO ability to pass rush
That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.
You are conflating ”cart blanche” with no owner involvement. They’re not the same thing. Of course the owner is involved. The owner has to be involved. That’s true of not only every NFL franchise but every business in America. Come on.
That's exactly what cart blanche means...complete freedom to act. Complete is the key.
to like Graham, but I've never seen a defense in my life that simply can't keep the other team from scoring in the last 2 minutes of a game like his. And it wasn't a talent issue. Teams, including Giants teams, have had far worse defensive talent and not looked that incompetent. His defenses also had this problem in the first half of 2020.
Agreed. I think he understands the game at high level and can teach well on player development but I question his feel for in game adjustments, scheming matchups and playcalling in crunch time was terrible this year. Judge micromanaged a bit I believe on that but the ridiculous points before half are really on Graham.
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It also is not a bad idea for Schoen to understand where the coaches heads are and what transpired with Judge.
I do think the Giants believed Judge was building a foundation and all three of those coaches could come in and have greater success because the principles have been established.
I think they believe Judge failed on his public relations and his game day coaching. They realized that to do a real GM search they also needed the GM to pick their head coach. AS the chatter suggested Mara wanted to keep Judge.
Apparently they like Graham, Graham loves the Giants and he is very smart and had the best performing Giants unit--obviously failures at the end of halves was not acceptable and could be tied to lack of a pash rush.
I could also see Graham, Judge and Mcdaniel liking the Giants for similar reasons. They may agree with what Judge put in place and will not feel like they are starting over. They may just think they can do it better.
I am not saying that I want to go in this direction, but I can understand it and can see all three doing well.
I am sure there will be other takes on why he his getting an interview, but from all I have read, he is well liked by the players as well.
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Patrick Graham was a name I was told to watch. Expected him to get a look. Ownership thinks highly of him.
Most of you only know the lawsuit against the NFL and the old crazy Al Davis. In the 60's & 70's he was a football genius. That's what he did when the Raiders were great. He spoke to as many smart people around the league from other teams that he could.
He also mentored Bill Parcells early in his Giants career and all Giant fans owe him a big thanks for that.
The Giants new mantra should be what would Al do. Al Davis was the anti - Wellington when it came to the product on the field.
Is that a good thing?
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Here were 10 candidates I fired off after Joe Schoen was hired as GM.
Brian Daboll already interviewed, Leslie Frazier on tap for today.
We'll see Brian Flores, Dan Quinn + Patrick Graham also get interviews. @JFowlerESPN just reported Graham will.
Aaron Glenn may be sleeper.
Giving Graham a HC interview legitimizes him and may lead to more opportunities for him. He could be a real contender, OR, the Giants are doing a solid for a guy they have high admiration for.
I thought so too.
I think the Giants defense has enough players to be good. I did not see it very often after he Chiefs game.
Graham also fulfills the Rooney Rule. And I'd like for them to talk to Byron Leftwich and DeMeco Ryans.
Dude. Breathe.
I still remember his schemes in the Seattle win the previous season.
Rather than blow up the whole ship.....why not hire your HC to be the offensive guru with his OC and leave Patrick at DC if he does not get any offers.
Then you can concentrate on fixing the offense and see how he runs the D for a 2022-23 re-assessment.
Keeps some stability and maybe sharpens the focus on our broken O.
Did Spags change? Or was he trying to coach without the tools he needed? I though Graham got a lot of mileage out of average to below average players.
Again, he's not at the top of my list, (or likely the Giants list) but it's a good look for other coordinators who may think of coming here with the new HC when the organization treats them with respect.
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And when I call Aaron Glenn a sleeper, I mean a sleeper to get an interview for the head coach job.
Still believe the gig ends up between Daboll and Flores.
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That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.
Dude. Breathe.
Lol. Just pointing out Mara just can’t help himself that’s all.
Fingers crossed 🤞
I will be shocked if Daboll isn't a lock as HC. Who they hire as DC is my question.
Exactly. I don't get the push for him for a HC. He hasn't proved himself as a coordinator yet.
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Aaron Glenn would be an interesting look
I thought so too.
This also helps Schoen get an assessment of the team from someone who was here for the last two years in a top coaching capacity.
Its a win all around whether Graham gets the job or not.
Why people cant see this boggles my mind.
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If it’s for due diligence and or to create interest with other teams fine. Hoping Schoen is just warming up with his little net. After PG get the wride net out buddy.
I expected A LOT more from Graham. I was greatly disappointed.
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And when I call Aaron Glenn a sleeper, I mean a sleeper to get an interview for the head coach job.
Still believe the gig ends up between Daboll and Flores.
My buddy is a huge Lions fan and he is praying that he makes it back to them next season. He made a lot of believers fast over there. I think people maybe underestimating his potential.
I want him to inflict himself as a HC somewhere else and for the Giants to get the two 3rd rounders.
I hope the only reason Graham is getting a Giants HC interview is to raise his stock for someone else to hire him as a HC.
Ain't that the truth. And reading between the lines is the favorite, though rarely accurate, activity here. It gets comical at times, but hey, it is a discussion board.
You are conflating ”cart blanche” with no owner involvement. They’re not the same thing. Of course the owner is involved. The owner has to be involved. That’s true of not only every NFL franchise but every business in America. Come on.
This. After all the complaining on this site this year, how can anyone really be excited about the possibility of Graham as head coach? When the defense needed to step up, they failed. So no thank you for me. This team needs a COMPLETE REBUILD.
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That’s great. Just what we need. Ownership influencing the “carte blanche” they promised the GM.
You are conflating ”cart blanche” with no owner involvement. They’re not the same thing. Of course the owner is involved. The owner has to be involved. That’s true of not only every NFL franchise but every business in America. Come on.
Agreed. I think he understands the game at high level and can teach well on player development but I question his feel for in game adjustments, scheming matchups and playcalling in crunch time was terrible this year. Judge micromanaged a bit I believe on that but the ridiculous points before half are really on Graham.