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Daboll or Flores? Who do you want?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/22/2022 10:06 am
Dan Quinn appears to be the most in demand around the NFL, but everyone is tying Daboll or Flores to the Giants.

What does your gut say?
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Count me in for Flores  
Chris684 : 1/22/2022 10:07 am : link
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I want to prefer Flores  
Greg from LI : 1/22/2022 10:08 am : link
He seemed to get the most out of a modestly talented Dolphin team. I just can't shake the nagging worry about his ability to maintain positive relationships with his players and coaches, though.
Daboll for sure, Schoen goes with a known  
GFAN52 : 1/22/2022 10:08 am : link
commodity. Thisteam needs an offense that moves out of the stone age and into the modern NFL.
Flores.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/22/2022 10:08 am : link
But I think it'll be Daboll & I am fine with that.
Daboll for me  
eli4life : 1/22/2022 10:09 am : link
No more bb tree please. And something about Miami doesn’t seem right.
Duggan brought up a good point…  
Jarvis : 1/22/2022 10:09 am : link
There are several accomplished DC’s available. (Fangio, Martinadale, Zimmer, etc). So the Giants can say end up with Daboll/Martindale.

Less so the other way around. Not many accomplished OC’s available. So if you hire Quinn, who does he make OC. Likely some QB coach who gets promoted. Much greater risk there.

So in that regard i lean Daboll.
I think they need to get  
section125 : 1/22/2022 10:10 am : link
away from BB's coaching tree. Like Skinner said yesterday, Flores is Joe Judge without the people skills.

I like what Flores did with Miami and I often thought Miami had less than the Giants.

Daboll, for now.
Flores  
Slowasski : 1/22/2022 10:10 am : link
Know vs unknown
Flores  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2022 10:11 am : link
He feels like a guy who could be here a long time and be a constant for this team.

Ideally I would like an offensive guy for HC, but I just get a sense that Flores is the guy with the brighter future.
RE: Duggan brought up a good point…  
section125 : 1/22/2022 10:11 am : link
In comment 15566413 Jarvis said:
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There are several accomplished DC’s available. (Fangio, Martinadale, Zimmer, etc). So the Giants can say end up with Daboll/Martindale.

Less so the other way around. Not many accomplished OC’s available. So if you hire Quinn, who does he make OC. Likely some QB coach who gets promoted. Much greater risk there.

So in that regard i lean Daboll.


Daboll with Zimmer as OC and Fangio as DC???
Daboll  
cosmicj : 1/22/2022 10:13 am : link
Very strong background and experience for a coordinator. Knows how to build a team.
RE: RE: Duggan brought up a good point…  
Anakim : 1/22/2022 10:14 am : link
In comment 15566420 section125 said:
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In comment 15566413 Jarvis said:


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There are several accomplished DC’s available. (Fangio, Martinadale, Zimmer, etc). So the Giants can say end up with Daboll/Martindale.

Less so the other way around. Not many accomplished OC’s available. So if you hire Quinn, who does he make OC. Likely some QB coach who gets promoted. Much greater risk there.

So in that regard i lean Daboll.



Daboll with Zimmer as OC and Fangio as DC???


Zimmer is a defensive coach
RE: I think they need to get  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2022 10:14 am : link
In comment 15566415 section125 said:
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away from BB's coaching tree. Like Skinner said yesterday, Flores is Joe Judge without the people skills.


That’s makes zero sense to me. Flores overachieved with a poor roster, and somehow Judge underachieved with one. Saying they are the same person because they both worked for the Patriots is just plain silly and lazy.

I think it’s Flores  
DonnieD89 : 1/22/2022 10:16 am : link
Flores has head coach experience as apposed to Daboll. I think the logical thing is to not pair a first time GM with a first time HC. Flores would need to hit a home run with the new OC. I also think they should keep Patrick Graham., who has worked with Flores. At least there would be some cohesion on one side of the ball.
re: flores  
GiantsFan84 : 1/22/2022 10:17 am : link
does everyone forget that he cost his team a playoff birth with that whole benching fitz for tua?

and what did that really accomplish?
Daboll  
Keaton028 : 1/22/2022 10:17 am : link
Remember Schoen wants to be lockstep with his HC. I think this points to Daboll. Also, the Giants offense needs a hard reset and revamp. Daboll makes the most sense in that respect as well.
Flores- at the end of the day he's coached 2 winning seasons in a row  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2022 10:19 am : link
and in year 1 he overachieved too. that Dolphin team he inherited was crap, they let Tannehill walk and they traded their 2 best young players in what everyone thought was a tank. They started 0-7 but won 5 of the last 9, ending the regular season by beating Tom Brady in his last regular season game as a Pat.

there are very legitimate questions about what he needs to find in an offensive coordinator, as he himself seems to know based on how many offensive coordinators he's fired. but despite that and mediocre QB play the man has won 19 games the last 2 years which is more than this org has won in any 2 consecutive years since '10-'11 (albeit with the 1 extra game, but even if that total was 18 wins it would still match the best 2 year performance of this org since '11-'12).
i vote daboll  
GiantsFan84 : 1/22/2022 10:19 am : link
it's much easier to replace the d-coordinator than the offensive playcaller. and if daboll signs on and takes the play-calling responsibilities you're at least guaranteeing continuity there with whoever the QB is. no learning a new system every couple of years. because once you have a good OC it's 1-2 years before they leave and become a head coach.
Flores #1 ... Quinn #2 ... Daboll #3.  
Spider56 : 1/22/2022 10:19 am : link
We already have a 1st time GM who will be on a learning curve ... and our last 3 coaches were 1st timers who struggled with the broader responsibilities. Both Flores and Quinn are local guys who know NY and have been there before; both will be better the 2nd time around. They kind of remind me of Bill Parcells. And, you can undersell what Flores did with a turd in Miami.

Daboll is an upstate guy ...which makes him tough but not necessarily NY savvy. His biggest attribute to me though is that he was twice hired by both Saban and BB which means they both liked him a lot ... but then again they liked JJ too. I think Daboll ends up back in Miami withTua. Hi
Daboll  
pa_giant_fan : 1/22/2022 10:22 am : link
I think Flores Will butt heads if he doesn't get his way
After watching that video you posted Eric  
shocktheworld : 1/22/2022 10:22 am : link
I am firmly in the Flores camp. Seeing his story and how he grew up… how can you not root for that man to be the next coach of the NYG?

Obviously he is a great candidate based on his resume, but being from Brownsville Brooklyn and coming home to lead the Giants? Gives me chills… I think he can be an excellent coach and this job will mean more to him than any other team ever could.

Let’s get him hired and bring in a top OC… the pieces will start falling together… these are exciting times regardless… :]
I just don't understand why people would invite the dysfunction  
KerrysFlask : 1/22/2022 10:23 am : link
That happened in Miami towards the end into our building.

And then going after Daboll... His scoring offense stunk before bringing in Allen. And we aren't hiring him for OC, head coach is a totally different bag....

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I just can't get excited about either of these guys.

 
ryanmkeane : 1/22/2022 10:25 am : link
I want Flores. Ever since he was let go in Miami I thought he’d be the best overall choice.

However - with Daboll being an offensive guy and looking at what the Bills are doing week after week - you really can’t argue with that.
Harbaugh  
Archer : 1/22/2022 10:26 am : link
Harbaugh is my first choice then Flores

I doubt that Harbaugh will be under consideration for a variety of reasons. But he did some amazing things while at SF. He is recognized for the development of QBs.

If it is Flores his choice of a OC is critical who do you think he could hire as OC ?
Not terribly impressed with this list of candidates.  
Festina Lente : 1/22/2022 10:28 am : link
Dam quinn: God no. I would be so unhappy.

Flores worries me greatly. All the booze about his personality etc and i think he may be slightly overhyped on here.

Dabol: one wonders how much his offensive success is down to the unique game of the QB. I don't see them as a particularly creative offense compared to some other candidates. If anything, i have been more impressed with the defense of the Bills.
Seems like Daboll  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/22/2022 10:29 am : link
Is Schoen’s guy.

Flores intrigues me seeing he’s won in the league already as HC. But the rumors of him and then Bill O’Brien as OC is just too much NE all over again.

Flores  
Sammo85 : 1/22/2022 10:30 am : link
I don’t see a HC in Daboll. Flores needs to learn some lessons from Miami but I see more grand vision, leadership, communication from him. OC for him is key.

Daboll has a lot of ugly on his resume and moved around a ton (some of that good to learn, but instability) before Josh Allen.
I Hope it's Flores  
Jim in Tampa : 1/22/2022 10:33 am : link
Giants have hired 3 straight HCs who either had no HC experience (McAdoo and Judge) or no HC success (Shurmur .281 winning percentage with 2 teams).

It's time for the Giants to hire a HC who has had some success as an NFL HC.

But if you're asking who I THINK they'll hire, my gut says that Schoen goes with the person he's most familar with... Daboll.
I want Flores  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/22/2022 10:35 am : link
I love the relationship Schoen and Daboll have. Do worry a lot of Daboll’s success is Being blessed with Josh Allen.
Flores  
jeff57 : 1/22/2022 10:35 am : link
Not sold on Daboll as a head coach
I am apprehensive of both  
Boatie Warrant : 1/22/2022 10:36 am : link
Can Daboll run his own show and attract good coordinators?

Can Flores get along or is it my way high way?

I am partial to Quinn becuase he has done it before. Has he learned the right lessons? He sure made the Dallas D look like All Stars.
Flores  
Archer : 1/22/2022 10:36 am : link
I like Flores but I am not a fan of O'Brien.
Daboll  
prh : 1/22/2022 10:36 am : link
Flores seems like a headcase, alienated management by not communicating. ​The Dolphins other than beating the Pats twice, lost to every playoff team they faced. Almost lost to the Jets, lost to the Jaguars. Their 7 game win streak was mostly against the dregs of the league.
RE: Daboll  
Festina Lente : 1/22/2022 10:47 am : link
In comment 15566507 prh said:
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Flores seems like a headcase, alienated management by not communicating. ​The Dolphins other than beating the Pats twice, lost to every playoff team they faced. Almost lost to the Jets, lost to the Jaguars. Their 7 game win streak was mostly against the dregs of the league.


Agreed. I think there is an element of group think here. I really would lie to see them interview Pederson. I think he had shown that he is a creative offensive mind and has had success with a struggling franchise.
I wouldn’t  
CV36 : 1/22/2022 10:50 am : link
rule out Josh McDaniels or Mike McDaniels. Let’s see how wide the net is.
 
christian : 1/22/2022 10:52 am : link
I’m a huge Flores fan.
Why go back to the untested in NY's environment.  
bronxgiant : 1/22/2022 10:52 am : link
Here is not the place where production can wait. Flores to me have built a longtime losing program and made it look much improved. Coughlan Parcells and BB were parts of this environment and thrived in it.

Flores and BB are two of a few coaches that were groomed in NY and built for NY. Think what Flores did in Miami is exactly what is needed with the Giants and the area.
RE: I want to prefer Flores  
HomerJones45 : 1/22/2022 10:53 am : link
In comment 15566407 Greg from LI said:
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He seemed to get the most out of a modestly talented Dolphin team. I just can't shake the nagging worry about his ability to maintain positive relationships with his players and coaches, though.
Dolphins started 1-7 this season and going into week 17 they were still in the hunt for a playoff spot and didn't show up against Tennessee. The year before they were 10-5 headed to the last game of the season and got obliterated by Buffalo who had already clinched the division.

There just seems to be something off about Flores.
Daboll over Flores  
bluepepper : 1/22/2022 10:53 am : link
but hope other guys are in play too.

Flores seems to have problems working with others be they coordinators or FO people. Won't last long here unless he wins big immediately IMO.
RE: Daboll  
HomerJones45 : 1/22/2022 10:54 am : link
In comment 15566507 prh said:
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Flores seems like a headcase, alienated management by not communicating. ​The Dolphins other than beating the Pats twice, lost to every playoff team they faced. Almost lost to the Jets, lost to the Jaguars. Their 7 game win streak was mostly against the dregs of the league.
This. Not understanding the love for Flores.
RE: RE: I want to prefer Flores  
Eric on Li : 1/22/2022 10:58 am : link
In comment 15566573 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 15566407 Greg from LI said:


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He seemed to get the most out of a modestly talented Dolphin team. I just can't shake the nagging worry about his ability to maintain positive relationships with his players and coaches, though.

Dolphins started 1-7 this season and going into week 17 they were still in the hunt for a playoff spot and didn't show up against Tennessee. The year before they were 10-5 headed to the last game of the season and got obliterated by Buffalo who had already clinched the division.

There just seems to be something off about Flores.


and in 2019 his crappy dolphin roster beat Tom Brady in his last reg season game as a Pat when they needed it for a bye week.

could the "something off" be that his Qbs just weren't that good? Not absolving him of blame if that is the case, he had a hand in choosing all of them, but is it credible to think that he should have done better than 19-14 the last 2 years with Fitz/Tua/Brissett?
RE: I wouldn’t  
GFAN52 : 1/22/2022 11:03 am : link
In comment 15566557 CV36 said:
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rule out Josh McDaniels or Mike McDaniels. Let’s see how wide the net is.


I would rule them out.
Quinn or Caldwell  
upnyg : 1/22/2022 11:06 am : link
go experienced
RE: Count me in for Flores  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/22/2022 11:08 am : link
In comment 15566405 Chris684 said:
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I don't understand the Flores love.

He's even more conservative than Judge, has churned through OCs every year in Miami, may have alienated his young QB along the way, and there are enough rumors about him being abrasive that it has to at least be investigated.

If the goal is to hire someone who has been a HC before and you're not scared off by someone who was just fired, why isn't Nagy on the radar? Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't want Nagy either, but at least he has a winning career record as HC and has taken his team to the playoffs. I just don't see the appeal with Flores.

I want Daboll or either of the SF coordinators.
Count me in for Flores  
bigblue12 : 1/22/2022 11:15 am : link
But the ability to find a good DC over a good OC is a legitimate concern
There are some red lights regarding Flores ability to work well with  
Ira : 1/22/2022 11:18 am : link
others. If those are looked into thoroughly and are cleared, then I'd prefer Flores. Otherwise, I'd prefer Daboll or someone else.
As much as Flores would be great…  
STLGiant : 1/22/2022 11:20 am : link
you know his tenure at Miami screams red flag to ownership.

After Mara’s presser I’d be shocked if Flores is the choice, maybe if John makes that concession, he wins fans back? Maybe that’s the way to keep the Chris’ in their positions…
I know that I don't know enough about them to have much preference  
David B. : 1/22/2022 11:23 am : link
On the surface, Daboll seems to have more upsides in the areas the Giants need the most help.

It would APPEAR as if Daboll:

Is probably on the same page as the GM on day 1.
Might be very good for Jones (Allen was a project)
Could bring a creative offensive design. Perhaps he could create one here that puts up enough points to be competitive with the big boys.

Can't say any of those things for sure about Flores. But Daboll HASN'T been a HC, and Flores has. Flores did pretty well in Miami with a lousy hand. Most were surprised they fired him, given that. But there are rumblings about Flores: A) his personality. People are calling him "Joe Judge without the charm." And B) his attitude. Apparently he stopped speaking to his coaching staff in the last weeks of the season. He also didn't get on with his bosses with the whole Tua thing. Looks like he was right.


For now, I'm giving Schoen the benefit of the doubt. Either of those two, or someone else. I have no horse in this race. Just get it right.




I am ok with either  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2022 11:29 am : link
but i lean flores because he has exoerience and i think a lot of the negative stuff in the media is leaked from the dolphins and their GM so they dont look bad when he gets a new job right away
Of the two...  
bw in dc : 1/22/2022 11:31 am : link
Daboll because I think he deserves a lot of credit for polishing Allen's game. And when we get a new QB, I would hope Daboll could develop him into a legit franchise QB.

I still think we should connect with Pederson. And ask to speak with Dennis Allen and Greg Olson, who I think did a fantastic job calling plays when Gruden was fired.

As much as I would have liked to go Mike McDaniel, I think he was only possible if we hired Peters.
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