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Off season trades.

Blackmax00 : 1/22/2022 2:57 pm
Good afternoon. Long time lurker first time poster. Was on the Giants boards a long time. I was having this discussion the other day with friends / fellow Giants fans and the topic of what to do with Jones and Barkley came up. Let’s say Wilson would come here. Or even Watson. Would Jones and Barkley plus the 5th pick be enough or would you give up more? We all feel like Jones will stay but I’m not sure about Saquon “injury plagued” Barkley. He adds no value when around the league 3rd rounders are playing better. What would you do with them?
There will be trades  
djm : 1/22/2022 3:02 pm : link
But we aren’t getting a franchise QB or franchise player for one pick and one player especially a player like Barkley, who is entering his last year of contract and coming off injury and poor play this season. Same with Jones.

If we want to trade for a big time qb it’s going to cost 2-3 premium picks and or players.

If the cost to acquire a qb doesn’t bother anyone here I guarantee you it won’t be enough.
I have learned that Barkley has always had a strict off-season regimen  
Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2022 3:06 pm : link
to get himself in tip top shape for the coming season. Last year, that was taken away from him given that he had to spend the entire off-season in rehab and never got into the playing shape he always prided himself on.

This second year after surgery should allow him to do all that he was used to, imo. I’d pay him what he’s due and see where he’s at performance-wise. If he does well, you have an option to re-sign him, tag him or trade him.
We gave up  
djm : 1/22/2022 3:06 pm : link
3 juicy picks and 1 mid pick to move up 3 slots to draft Eli.

Seattle gave up 2 juicy premium picks for the jets safety.
Dallas gave up 1-2 picks for amari Cooper
Bears traded one future first, a top ten pick and more to trade up with nyg last year, for their qb.

You gotta give to get. You want a star qb ?? You’re going to have to give up what everyone here will deem “too much.” We’re talking at least 2 probably 3 premium picks.
RE: We gave up  
Blackmax00 : 1/22/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15567035 djm said:
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3 juicy picks and 1 mid pick to move up 3 slots to draft Eli.

Seattle gave up 2 juicy premium picks for the jets safety.
Dallas gave up 1-2 picks for amari Cooper
Bears traded one future first, a top ten pick and more to trade up with nyg last year, for their qb.

You gotta give to get. You want a star qb ?? You’re going to have to give up what everyone here will deem “too much.” We’re talking at least 2 probably 3 premium picks.
So maybe additional players. Jones, Barkley, Hernandez etc and a 1st and 2nd
So, the Giants trade for Wilson, put him in behind thier oline  
Jack Stroud : 1/22/2022 3:15 pm : link
what do you think the results will be? No different than Daniel Jones being the qb! Wilson is better than a average qb, his time has passed, move on.
If I had to guess  
djm : 1/22/2022 3:18 pm : link
Based on history? Let’s assume in about 6 weeks watson settles all issues out of court or somehow emerges clean enough that he gets a pass from the NFL and court of public opinion. Big if not why not...

Even if there wasn’t a bidding war we’d have to pony up. I’ll say it would cost both first round picks this year and a future first in 2023 and we’d have to send some salary there way and it likely have to be a player the Texans want. So let’s say it’s jackson, 2 firsts in 2022 and a first in 2023 and a cheaper desirable player, I’ll say Julian love.

You ready to do this? 3 firsts, jackson and love. Watson is all yours. In or out?

You ain’t getting a 28 year old franchise qb for much less.
He’s 34 not 44  
djm : 1/22/2022 3:19 pm : link
Wilson is not past his prime lol
RE: I have learned that Barkley has always had a strict off-season regimen  
bw in dc : 1/22/2022 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15567034 Big Blue '56 said:
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This second year after surgery should allow him to do all that he was used to, imo. I’d pay him what he’s due and see where he’s at performance-wise. If he does well, you have an option to re-sign him, tag him or trade him.


You really needed a longer sabbatical.
Why do you want to  
Joe Beckwith : 1/22/2022 3:22 pm : link
give up high picks, likely multiple year picks, to get a QB that will be running for his life this year , relying on picks for OL in later rounds, plus be down at least 1 high round selection opportunity this and likely next year?
You make the trade if you basically only need the veteran QB to get you up 1 or 2 levels and deep or deeper in the playoffs, and we aren’t nearly that close.

But others have posted the same on BBI, so you’re not alone.

Gentlemen- wasn’t there a recent  
Drewcon40 : 1/22/2022 3:22 pm : link
article or rumor that the Bills would be interested in Barkley? Sometimes I forget which are legitimate and just speculation. If true, obviously Schoen would have been active on that talk. I’m so sorry guys I don’t have a link but I did remember reading it.
RE: If I had to guess  
BleedBlue : 1/22/2022 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15567064 djm said:
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Based on history? Let’s assume in about 6 weeks watson settles all issues out of court or somehow emerges clean enough that he gets a pass from the NFL and court of public opinion. Big if not why not...

Even if there wasn’t a bidding war we’d have to pony up. I’ll say it would cost both first round picks this year and a future first in 2023 and we’d have to send some salary there way and it likely have to be a player the Texans want. So let’s say it’s jackson, 2 firsts in 2022 and a first in 2023 and a cheaper desirable player, I’ll say Julian love.

You ready to do this? 3 firsts, jackson and love. Watson is all yours. In or out?

You ain’t getting a 28 year old franchise qb for much less.


Watson is 26.

I also think yoi can get him for less. He doesnt wanna pkay in houston. They are gonna have to deal him once he is cleared of charges.

Call em up and offer #7, jones and a 2023 first. That might be closer than we think. They dont have much leverage and only 2 teams have enough draft ammo to make offer
I doubt anyone on the Giants has significant trade value.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/22/2022 3:47 pm : link
And I mean anyone. Jones, Barkley, Williams, Toney, Bradberry, Ryan, Jackson -- none of them are worth much in trade, either due to injury or their hefty contracts. They have more value on the field but won't bring back much in trade.
We need a complete rebuild  
kelly : 1/22/2022 3:48 pm : link
We don't need an older quarterback when we are years away from having a good team.

RE: I have learned that Barkley has always had a strict off-season regimen  
Ivan15 : 1/22/2022 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15567034 Big Blue '56 said:
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to get himself in tip top shape for the coming season. Last year, that was taken away from him given that he had to spend the entire off-season in rehab and never got into the playing shape he always prided himself on.

This second year after surgery should allow him to do all that he was used to, imo. I’d pay him what he’s due and see where he’s at performance-wise. If he does well, you have an option to re-sign him, tag him or trade him.


Maybe NOT doing a grueling offseason workout kept him from missing a lot of games. Just sayin’
RE: I doubt anyone on the Giants has significant trade value.  
Blackmax00 : 1/22/2022 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15567105 81_Great_Dane said:
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And I mean anyone. Jones, Barkley, Williams, Toney, Bradberry, Ryan, Jackson -- none of them are worth much in trade, either due to injury or their hefty contracts. They have more value on the field but won't bring back much in trade.
To us sure. But sometimes other teams see what isn’t there or value a guy we might not.
I do not want to live through another  
DonnieD89 : 1/22/2022 4:28 pm : link
Craig Morton redo. Let’s just build a line play out next season and then get a quarterback. We’ve been stuck in poor offense of line purgatory for years. Let’s fix it first.
I think with a solid offensive line Daniel Jones will surprise  
gtt350 : 1/22/2022 4:35 pm : link
He never has time to look for a secod or third option .
when he has time on rare occasions he is accurate .
Half his interceptions were flukes or bounced off of Ingram.
A running game with a solid OL will also do wonders
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