With the Giants: Sucked. Landon Collins caps him a cancer. Traded for a fourth round pick in 2018 (later traded away on order to draft the immortal DeAndre Baker).
With the Bengals: Deflects a pass for a Cincinnati interception, play leads to a playoff game-winning field goal.
Figures.
Can we stop threads were a former giant made a tackle or a play for the other team. Jesus fucking Christ…
He had a markedly better season than Bradberry.
He had a markedly better season than Bradberry.
Bradberry reminds me of some of our defenders from 2017. Lot of business decisions and does it really fucking matter since we are so bad… haha
^This.
He had a markedly better season than Bradberry.
Absolutely false
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Apple has had an unimpressive career, but he played just fine this year.
He had a markedly better season than Bradberry.
Absolutely false
Bradberry: 115 Tgts | 61% comp | 848 YDS | 8 TDs | 93 rat
Apple: 78 Tgts | 60% comp | 602 | 3TDs | 87 rat
Markedly is too strong. Slightly is probably more accurate.
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Apple has had an unimpressive career, but he played just fine this year.
He had a markedly better season than Bradberry.
Absolutely false
Bradberry: 115 Tgts | 61% comp | 848 YDS | 8 TDs | 93 rat
Apple: 78 Tgts | 60% comp | 602 | 3TDs | 87 rat
Markedly is too strong. Slightly is probably more accurate.
How many No. 1 receivers is Eli Apple lining up against?
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Apple has had an unimpressive career, but he played just fine this year.
He had a markedly better season than Bradberry.
Absolutely false
Bradberry: 115 Tgts | 61% comp | 848 YDS | 8 TDs | 93 rat
Apple: 78 Tgts | 60% comp | 602 | 3TDs | 87 rat
Markedly is too strong. Slightly is probably more accurate.
This is where simply looking at a stat sheet makes you look like a moron...
Bradberry followed every teams best receiver and often played in single coverage against them
Eli apple did not, covered inferior receivers and likely got help often. Watching a game and tape is much more relevant than looking at stats... he is no where near, nor will ever be in the same stratosphere as Bradberry
Bradberry regularly was featured getting burned all season long.
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The Giants played an extraordinary amount of zone coverage, with tons of help in coverage from their safeties. I’d love to see the data on single covers. I don’t think that’s true.
Is Bradberry a number one corner and drawing better assignments, yup.
Did he get beat like a bag this year, yup.
Bradberry gave up 8TDs. He sucked.
KNEW it lol!
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BJ Hill is a bengal too
BJ Hill doesn't suck though.
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The guy is regularly featured getting burned all season long
Bradberry regularly was featured getting burned all season long.
LMAO if you honestly think Apple is considered at the same level of a player as Bradberry then this whole argument is laughable. You didn't even take into account how many #1 receivers Bradberry covered vs the number Apple covered
I totally agree, this sums up DG’s run here.
Where did I say Apple is considered at the same level as Bradberry? I said Apple had a better season in 2021. All things equal I think that’s true.
Bradberry is on a 3/45M deal, Apple is a minimum salary player. If we want to talk levels and production let’s do it. Bradberry gave up the most TDs of any player in the league, and the 3rd most yards.
He’s the Giants no. 1 corner, so of course he draws better players. And then teams targeted the heck out him this year because he’s sucked.
He’s not Revis Island out there. He’s like a cheap all inclusive — everyone goes.
Bradberry was average in coverage and gave up a ton of TDs. The Giants help their corners a lot too. The incessant bitching about Graham’s soft some coverage through the year was as common as a morning shit. He’s not poor James Bradberry with no help. He gets a lot of help and still sucked.
Apple just stinks and it's almost shocking teams let him start. He must play better during some stretches because every time I watch him he looks like the same crappy CB that we drafted...
At the time and still in hindsight I thought that Gettleman was too aggressive in dispatching players in the name of cleaning up the "culture" issues with the Giants. Not enough stock was taken in how much being on an embarrassingly bad team affects the attitudes of some players.
I think you just gotta have the right coaches in place to be able to guide players like that (and to of course win some games).
I didn’t mind trading Apple. But the character crusade was lame.
I will indeed miss DG's pressers though and making fun of them afterwards. And then getting berated by his loyal BBI defenders...
At the time and still in hindsight I thought that Gettleman was too aggressive in dispatching players in the name of cleaning up the "culture" issues with the Giants. Not enough stock was taken in how much being on an embarrassingly bad team affects the attitudes of some players.
I think you just gotta have the right coaches in place to be able to guide players like that (and to of course win some games).
Gettleman was absolutely too aggressive in jettisoning players. You have to hold your nose and hang on to some serviceable players to build a team, otherwise you create more holes than you can fill. Inevitably some of those holes are filled by much worse players AND you have no depth. That's a big part of how we ended up with the worst roster in the NFL. It will take a couple of years to dig out from under this.
I throw all day long at him next week if I am Mahomes...
Every player in the league has the ability to have a good game. Even Eli Apple. What matters most is the total body of work over time.
When I saw Eli Apple's game film from Ohio State, I had that moment like from the movie "Trouble with the curve" when they had the kid in their facility and realized that he could not hit. The lower level of competition he had before getting to the big leagues masked the real issues. It was the same with Eli Apple from a football perspective.
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but I didn't watch it. Wonder how well Eli Apple held up in that game if anybody knows?
Every player in the league has the ability to have a good game. Even Eli Apple. What matters most is the total body of work over time.
When I saw Eli Apple's game film from Ohio State, I had that moment like from the movie "Trouble with the curve" when they had the kid in their facility and realized that he could not hit. The lower level of competition he had before getting to the big leagues masked the real issues. It was the same with Eli Apple from a football perspective.
I agree. He had sloppy technique, suspect footwork and never knew where the ball was. Some athletic ability but it was somewhat awkward.
He often would play trail on a WR, never turn his head around or put his hands into the mix to break up the pass, often running into a WR when that guy slowed down.
And yet he continues to start...good for him actually
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he has horrible footwork and gets himself all twisted out of position which leads him to having to grab jerseys to keep from getting torched. You could see this on film before we drafted him....then again after he was playing in the NFL
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