Flores is the best available man for that job, and the Giants should hire him to replace his old New England colleague, Judge. As coach of the Dolphins, Flores won 19 games over the last two seasons with quarterbacks less physically talented than Daniel Jones. He beat former boss Bill Belichick four times in three years, and inspired his players to compete at a high level even when times were grim.
Schoen’s guy in Buffalo, Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, is likely the candidate to beat, given his outstanding work with Josh Allen and the sad state of the Giants’ offense. Daboll could end up reuniting with his former Alabama quarterback, Tagovailoa, and deploying his institutional AFC East knowledge in Miami, but you could certainly make a good case for him as the next Giants head coach. It’s just not as good as the case for Flores. |
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They can frame their reports any way they care to out of Miami, but Stephen Ross is far more the prick than Flores is or will ever be imo..
Sign him
I like Flores, and I liked Judge. I think it’s important to realize Flores will be very similar to Judge:
-Conservative play calling, play for field position
-Rely on an OC to run the offense (and hope he doesn’t leave for a HC position)
-Make players run laps
-Extremely demanding on assistants
Judge seems like he has better people skills than Flores. These aren’t negatives, but I think they are important when making the decision.
Certainly. Except, Flores won. Judge couldn’t. They both had reasonable excuses, yet one overcame them..
He’s a fu*king New Yorker..😎
This is how Mara operates. Big on optics.
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However, let's look at who they beat in that 8-1 stretch to close the season:
Houston
Baltimore
Jets twice
Carolina
Giants
Saints [Ian Book was the starting QB]
New England
Baltimore is the only quality win there. New England was clearly spent at the end of the season. The other wins were against tomato cans.
Their loss in that stretch was against Tennessee.
Now do the 10 games he won last year.
Sure, and while we're at it, let's talk about McAdoo's 11-5 season.
Pick the one with the least warts and the most enthusiasm...
Pick the one with the least warts and the most enthusiasm...
Yup
1. He had trouble getting good coaches around him.
2. He is difficult to work with.
3. Has a tough guy approach that may not lead to long term success.
4. He stopped communicating with his assistants during his winning streak this year.
You have to think critically about this. We all love the record he had in Miami with the lack of talent. But if he performed so well, why was he fired? There was a reason he was fired so why would Miami want to go in a new direction.
Imo, some guys will suck anywhere but others need the right situation. Maybe a different organization will be a home run like NE was for Belichick. It is all how people work together. Getting the best person at each position usually leads to disappointment. We don't need the best at each position. We need the best group that works great together. None of us know these answers so it is hard to feel one way or another.
Kinda sounds like Billy Martin; whom the Yanks turned to several times for a turnaround - but he didn't have what it took for the stretch run.
Flores is likely Joe Judge part 2.
Daboll, seems he did not do much until Josh Allen, although now the Bills look great. I suppose I could get behind it if they hired Fangio as DC and Zimmer as OC.
I would have hoped that they spoke with Leftwich and Ryans, but now they have to wait until SF and TB lose.
Why do you keep posting that you want Zimmer as OC when Zimmer is a defensive coach?
1. He had trouble getting good coaches around him.
2. He is difficult to work with.
3. Has a tough guy approach that may not lead to long term success.
4. He stopped communicating with his assistants during his winning streak this year.
You have to think critically about this. We all love the record he had in Miami with the lack of talent. But if he performed so well, why was he fired? There was a reason he was fired so why would Miami want to go in a new direction.
Imo, some guys will suck anywhere but others need the right situation. Maybe a different organization will be a home run like NE was for Belichick. It is all how people work together. Getting the best person at each position usually leads to disappointment. We don't need the best at each position. We need the best group that works great together. None of us know these answers so it is hard to feel one way or another.
The first 3 points probably have some truth to them, but Bill Parcells was often difficult to work with. And I don’t buy point 4 at all. That reeks of spin by the Dolphins. Think about this, he stopped communicating with his own assistants mid-season, and the FO did nothing about it? They’re either lying or utterly incompetent, there is no middle ground.
To have a HC stop communicating with his own assistants is mutiny, and he should have been fired on the spot, with cause. If the Dolphins are paying off his contract, that would be a sign that this story is 100% unadulterated BS.
If the goal is to build a football program, you can't be worried that your HC is going to wear out his welcome that fast. That's one draft class cycle.
If the goal is to build a football program, you can't be worried that your HC is going to wear out his welcome that fast. That's one draft class cycle.
Great points, but I don’t see any evidence that Flores wore out his welcome with his players. Year 1, the team that most analysts questioned if they would win a game, went 5-4 down the stretch, including beating a Pats team in week 17 that was playing for a bye. Year 2 go 10-6, just missing a playoff bid with shaky play at QB. Year 3 win 7 in a row after a 1-7 start. That doesn’t sound like team s tuning out their HC.
All of the claims should be vetted, but I’m stunned at how many here uncritically accept the Dolphins versions of events, as if they have no reason to lie.
Daboll is a complete unknown as a HC, and his offenses stunk until the last two years
I'd like them to inquire if Jim Hardballs would be willing to "lighten up". If so, he'd be my pick.
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He's a helluva lot like Judge. Super conservative, demeanor with subordinates, etc. I'm just not interested in yet another coach trying to franchise Belichicks secret sauce.
Totally agree. Daboll and Flores seem to be the favorites, I definitely want Daboll. I have zero interest in Dan Quinn. That would deflate a lot of the Schoen fueled newfound confidence I have in the franchise if he's the guy.
Didn't Belichick give Judge a glowing recommendation ?
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between Belichick, Graham, and their other league contacts to be able to get a good picture of what kind of coach Flores is. If they decide to hire him I'm confident that it would be after they've done their due diligence in vetting what happened in Miami.
Didn't Belichick give Judge a glowing recommendation ?
Probably. But there's more people around the league outside of New England who have worked with Flores than compared to Judge. The presumption is that Belichick wouldn't be the only person they talk to about him.