Blaming personnel? Well same personnel he’s going to win a MVP with.
Has the best WR in the game, and excellent RB and let’s not act like Lazard is chop liver.
The fact of the matter is the Rodgers is a top 5 player in the game. He played at home. His defense dominated. And despite the STs ineptness, all he had to do was score 14 points.
So you just ignore the front 4 dominating the packers line? Narratives are great. You say he’s confused but did he drop the big time 3rd down pass to his tight end who was open for a 30 yard gain? Did he fumble the ball on the second drive at midfield? Confused right. Jesus people use words they don’t even know what they mean. He wasn’t confused. He had big time drops in bad spots and a defensive line who was in his face all night long. Go back and watch the game.
If you watch the game, he was confused all night. The 49ers were disguising defenses that led to him holding the ball. He never used his legs either. As one of the best in the game, he didn’t get it done. I don’t care if he completes 2 yard passes. He made one great play where he had a guy open by 50 yards. But he didn’t make the plays needed to win.
So outside a busted coverage. He had 19 completion for 150 yards. That’s not stepping up. It’s not a good game. He takes the brunt of the responsibility.
If he never throws another pass he’s still a lock for the HoF. Probably first ballot. I feel asleep for the second half of the game last night, but even if he spent the second half jizzing on himself in the locker room I’d say he’s on of the best QBs I’ve watched in 40 years of pro football.
Don’t forget that the Niners got paid to play last night too. Gotta give Shanny and his staff a lot of credit.
Very strong legacy bit now these playoff disappointments
are part of the calculus. Will still make the HoF with ease, but measuring him against the best of all-time will have these shortfalls to account for in the discussion.
He and his Packer teams clearly left a few on the table by not even getting to another Super Bowl.
How burrow gets a ton of credit for the bengals win but Rodgers is at fault for the packers loss just think about that.
Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.
Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end
How burrow gets a ton of credit for the bengals win but Rodgers is at fault for the packers loss just think about that.
Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.
Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end
Those 3 are huge momentum shifts in the game
Burrow got sacked 9 times and threw for over 350 yards. If Rodgers did that and put up 19 points… he’s playing next weekend.
He put up 10 points. 10.
God it’s like people defending Jones when we lose 27-10. He sucked yesterday. And lost to a team they should have beaten at home.
are part of the calculus. Will still make the HoF with ease, but measuring him against the best of all-time will have these shortfalls to account for in the discussion.
He and his Packer teams clearly left a few on the table by not even getting to another Super Bowl.
Burrow goes on the road against the 1 seed. Throws for 350 yards while getting sacked and hit every play. And before you think Tennessee isn’t good, they beat KC and Buffalo and SF this year.
Rodgers was home and threw for 225, 75 on a busted coverage, sacked 5 times. And scored a measly 10 points.
How burrow gets a ton of credit for the bengals win but Rodgers is at fault for the packers loss just think about that.
Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.
Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end
Those 3 are huge momentum shifts in the game
Burrow got sacked 9 times and threw for over 350 yards. If Rodgers did that and put up 19 points… he’s playing next weekend.
He put up 10 points. 10.
God it’s like people defending Jones when we lose 27-10. He sucked yesterday. And lost to a team they should have beaten at home.
Stats!!!! Did you watch the game. Burrow didnt play a great game by any stretch. Those stats do not show the true story of the game. His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ? Stop using stats to prove a point. Look at average ait yards per attempt and then yac by his WRs. Lost of those yards were chase making guys miss and taking it for big gains. Simple throws to the flat. Higgins, simple throw to the flat. Talk about the actual game. He didn’t play a great football game. It’s simple. Tennessee lost that game with stupidity. Burrow was solid. Nothing special.
Rodgers didn’t lose that game is my point. The packers messed up completely on specials which lost the game. If they didn’t nobody would be saying Rodgers is a choker. The narrative would be jimmy G is awful etc
The bengals game if you think Burrow just held the ball and didn’t make any big time throws.
Don’t tell people to watch games if you’re not even paying attention yourself.
I did. Of course I did. A lot of the sacks was him not understanding the coverage and blocking scheme they had. He ran backwards many times theoretically taking them out of field goal range if not for a great kicking performance. Your elevating his performance and taking away from Rodgers. Burrows yardage totals are inflated by yac by his stud WR. It’s simple. Look at air yards per attempt.
The bengals game if you think Burrow just held the ball and didn’t make any big time throws.
Don’t tell people to watch games if you’re not even paying attention yourself.
I did. Of course I did. A lot of the sacks was him not understanding the coverage and blocking scheme they had. He ran backwards many times theoretically taking them out of field goal range if not for a great kicking performance. Your elevating his performance and taking away from Rodgers. Burrows yardage totals are inflated by yac by his stud WR. It’s simple. Look at air yards per attempt.
Except a lot of the times the announcers showed on replays the WR were running deep routes and he didn’t have time to get them the ball
You’re right Burrow was awful. His WRs carried him. Not like Rodgers has any stud WR either.
Burrow went in the road and played with big major balls. Rodgers played at home and didn’t get it done. It’s that simple.
His WRs. Your like a baby who hasn’t had his bottle yet.
I said everyone is praising him and detracting from Rodgers saying he choked. He didn’t choke at all. You can’t praise burrow and say Rodgers choked it’s crazy.
Your saying taking away the big play by chase. Take away the big play by the tight end before half. Take away the big run by Higgins. That’s over 120 yards combined lol. Burrow didn’t read some blitzes/protections correctly which lead to sacks. Not all of them are on him. Simmons was a beast yesterday. But a few of them are on the QB if you blitz 6 with an empty backfield the QB has to get the ball out can’t run backwards and take sacks. His kicker was a beast. They only scored 19 points and 3 of those were on a field goal gifted to them on a pick
I find it bizarre how defensive some Giants fans get over Rodgers.
The Giants had a real shot to make some noise in 2010, even after the Dodge game, but Rodgers took the Giants behind the shed the day after Christmas.
When you have to use 11-year-old remembrances you really have a weak-ass argument. But you do you!
Weak ass argument? I don’t like the players on the other teams who beat the Giants in important games. Hell I don’t like Jim McMahon for beating the Giants in the playoffs when I was three.
I’m very comfortable being me.
RE: I know that he's a douche and Brees seems like a good guy
but I can't figure out why Brees winning only one was never some huge black eye to his legacy but it is for Rodgers.
I don’t think I ever heard anybody say Brees is the best QB all time where is many make that claim for Rodgers. If you’re considered to be the best your career will be under a microscope in every aspect.
His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ?
Did you watch the Cincy-Titans game? On at least 5 of the sacks, the defensive player was virtually unblocked. So Burrow actually did the right thing - take the sack.
On at least 2 of the sacks, the receivers ran deep routes that didn't afford Burrow ANY option to go with the ball when the protection quickly broke down.
I'm not sure I've seen a worst OL performance in a playoff game. Yet, Burrow hung in there and made big plays when it mattered most. Averaging 9+ YPA under such duress was brilliant.
His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ?
Did you watch the Cincy-Titans game? On at least 5 of the sacks, the defensive player was virtually unblocked. So Burrow actually did the right thing - take the sack.
On at least 2 of the sacks, the receivers ran deep routes that didn't afford Burrow ANY option to go with the ball when the protection quickly broke down.
I'm not sure I've seen a worst OL performance in a playoff game. Yet, Burrow hung in there and made big plays when it mattered most. Averaging 9+ YPA under such duress was brilliant.
Didn’t you know - they were all catch and runs lol
Unblocked meaning free rusher. Need to know your protections. The announcer said the same exact thing. You have to know where the free rusher is coming from. He did not on a few occasions. Please, your speaking as of they came up the A gap every time unblocked. Yes simmons had a great game and had 3 sacks himself. I understand that his line wasn’t great. I’m specifically talking about the sacks where the edge defender was intentionally unblocked by design. They came off the edge. I’m not saying every sack was his fault but on a bunch of them the fault is on the Qb. He has to know where the protection is sliding and who is the free rusher. This isn’t something I made up. Was talked about on the broadcast. Also, taking a sack is fine. Running 10 yards back and then taking a sack isnt. He was bailed out on some great kicking. If that kicker missed 2 kicks the narrative would be burrow is young didnt read the pressure right and took bad sacks knocking his team out of field goal range. Lucky for him his kicker was money.
Unblocked meaning free rusher. Need to know your protections. The announcer said the same exact thing. You have to know where the free rusher is coming from. He did not on a few occasions. Please, your speaking as of they came up the A gap every time unblocked. Yes simmons had a great game and had 3 sacks himself. I understand that his line wasn’t great. I’m specifically talking about the sacks where the edge defender was intentionally unblocked by design. They came off the edge. I’m not saying every sack was his fault but on a bunch of them the fault is on the Qb. He has to know where the protection is sliding and who is the free rusher. This isn’t something I made up. Was talked about on the broadcast. Also, taking a sack is fine. Running 10 yards back and then taking a sack isnt. He was bailed out on some great kicking. If that kicker missed 2 kicks the narrative would be burrow is young didnt read the pressure right and took bad sacks knocking his team out of field goal range. Lucky for him his kicker was money.
We watched a different game. But to each their own.
I do agree, however, a few of those sacks were on Burrow. Every QB has those. But I stand by my original POV that the majority of the sacks were on the OL.
Unblocked meaning free rusher. Need to know your protections. The announcer said the same exact thing. You have to know where the free rusher is coming from. He did not on a few occasions. Please, your speaking as of they came up the A gap every time unblocked. Yes simmons had a great game and had 3 sacks himself. I understand that his line wasn’t great. I’m specifically talking about the sacks where the edge defender was intentionally unblocked by design. They came off the edge. I’m not saying every sack was his fault but on a bunch of them the fault is on the Qb. He has to know where the protection is sliding and who is the free rusher. This isn’t something I made up. Was talked about on the broadcast. Also, taking a sack is fine. Running 10 yards back and then taking a sack isnt. He was bailed out on some great kicking. If that kicker missed 2 kicks the narrative would be burrow is young didnt read the pressure right and took bad sacks knocking his team out of field goal range. Lucky for him his kicker was money.
We watched a different game. But to each their own.
I do agree, however, a few of those sacks were on Burrow. Every QB has those. But I stand by my original POV that the majority of the sacks were on the OL.
Correct.
When you're in FG range, you know pre snap you can't take a sack.
A few of those, he just refused to throw the ball away.
It's minor in the big scheme, kid has a world of talent. He'll improve on that as he gets his offense down pat.
Agreed. Not saying he’s bad. He’s a stud I can see the talent from a mile away. He’s a great player who’s still learning. But when people act like he played great and rodgers choked it bothered me. Burrows best play of the day came on the last throw of the game to chase on the post route when he beat Jenkins and got into field goal range. Prior to that his best play IMO was his 3rd down scramble where he dove for the first. Kid has a lot of heart and mental toughness. He’ll be a great one but he’s not there yet. My point is you can’t praise burrow for the game he played and say Rodgers choked. That’s it.
Gun to head...I think he's the most talented QB I've ever seen in terms of arm & legs. But his lack of postseason success is going to haunt him, even though he has a ring unlike Marino.
He's also a total diva so that's going to factor into his legacy too, @ least for me.
and many like it remind me of the Teddy Roosevelt quote about the man in the arena and many of you personify the cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat. And this (my thoughts on the thread) has very little to do with Rodgers. No offense.
I think the difference between Burrow and Rodgers yesterday
Agreed. Not saying he’s bad. He’s a stud I can see the talent from a mile away. He’s a great player who’s still learning. But when people act like he played great and rodgers choked it bothered me. Burrows best play of the day came on the last throw of the game to chase on the post route when he beat Jenkins and got into field goal range. Prior to that his best play IMO was his 3rd down scramble where he dove for the first. Kid has a lot of heart and mental toughness. He’ll be a great one but he’s not there yet. My point is you can’t praise burrow for the game he played and say Rodgers choked. That’s it.
Fair enough. For a second-year player in his first playoff run, Burrow has acquitted himself pretty damn well.
I didn't say Rodgers choked, btw. I thought under the conditions in Lambeau he did enough for them to win a low scoring game. Because that's what the conditions dictated. In the history of the game, it's virtually impossible to win an NFL game when you have a FG blocked and a blocked punt for a TD.
Agreed. Not saying he’s bad. He’s a stud I can see the talent from a mile away. He’s a great player who’s still learning. But when people act like he played great and rodgers choked it bothered me. Burrows best play of the day came on the last throw of the game to chase on the post route when he beat Jenkins and got into field goal range. Prior to that his best play IMO was his 3rd down scramble where he dove for the first. Kid has a lot of heart and mental toughness. He’ll be a great one but he’s not there yet. My point is you can’t praise burrow for the game he played and say Rodgers choked. That’s it.
Fair enough. For a second-year player in his first playoff run, Burrow has acquitted himself pretty damn well.
I didn't say Rodgers choked, btw. I thought under the conditions in Lambeau he did enough for them to win a low scoring game. Because that's what the conditions dictated. In the history of the game, it's virtually impossible to win an NFL game when you have a FG blocked and a blocked punt for a TD.
Virtually impossible to win the game when they were up 7-3 with 5 minutes to go?
Come on. Yes the STs were awful but the defense played outnof their ass to prevent them from scoring.
The 49er defense was faster, stronger, and deeper than the Packet offense. By the fourth quarter the GB offensive players looked worn down from the beating. The game was only close because of Garoppolo.
should have had 13 points, but the OL was Swiss cheese on the chip shot FG attempt at the end of the first half. That was a critical moment in the game. Huge momentum shift after SF gave up the long pass to Jones on the blown coverage.
Except Peyton was even worse in the playoffs. His legacy will be fine.
It does hurt him in comparison to Brady who is lapping the field in terms of playoff accomplishments.
Not a bad comparison but at least Peyton made it to 4 super bowls, instead of just 1 for Rodgers and won 2, granted he was carried to heaven in his second but he still won. Rodgers won 1 early in his career then proceeds to choke every single playoff appearance after and can't make another super bowl despite having HFA in multiple playoffs. Peyton has more visible choking moments where he makes dumb decisions while Rodgers it seems he and the rest of the team plays a step below regardless of their opponent.
should have had 13 points, but the OL was Swiss cheese on the chip shot FG attempt at the end of the first half. That was a critical moment in the game. Huge momentum shift after SF gave up the long pass to Jones on the blown coverage.
Not wrong but for a guy we talking about being the MVP of the league and a top 3-4 QB ever, more is expected.
The NFL is probably the hardest sport to do such a list for due to a variety of reasons. But I thought they did a really solid job with the list, even if I didn't agree with several of their decisions. These are the QBs who made the list, in the order they made it.
It's so damn hard to compare someone like Otto Graham or Staubach to Aaron Rodgers, it's possible I guess but I'm not even going to try to do that on this thread. It's almost a completely different sport, especially when it comes to the QB position. So I'm going to pare that list down to the QBs who played the majority of their careers since 1980, just to make for a more apples to apples type of comparison.
The only two guys on that list that were never called a "Loser" at some point by the media/public were Montana and Brady. Elway and Peyton are the only other QBs with 2 SB wins on that list, but both of them were being criticized for not "being able to win the big one" until they finally won one.
Elway finally won 2 late in his career and he played well for those teams, but the Broncos rushing attack was the strength of that team and just dominated in the playoffs. Terrell Davis averaged 150 rushing yards per game in the playoffs over 7 games when they went Back-to-Back. I repeat, he AVERAGED 150 on the ground!
When Peyton won his 1st SB, we all remember that comeback against the Pats and that was a career defining moment. But for that entire playoff run, Peyton threw 3 TDs and 7 INTs. For his 2nd SB title, Peyton was a shell of himself and carried by his defense. He threw 9 TD and 17 INT that season. But that Broncos D was unbelievable, probably the best front 7 I can remember a team having in recent memory (Von Miller + Ware was unfair).
Everyone else on that list won only 1 SB, except for Marino who never won it. All of those guys received flack for not winning more. Favre was ripped on for all the back-breaking INTs. Brees never received consideration for being the best in his era due to only having 1 ring. Young was ripped on for "not being Joe Montana" even though he dominated the league and won 1. And Marino never winning it all is one of the first sentences in his career bio.
So long story short, Aaron Rodgers probably will never be considered a Brady/Montana level killer in the clutch and natural born winner. But that's ok, because those 2 are in a class of their own and Brady might even be in another class from Montana at this point. But there's really no other legendary modern QB who blows Rodgers' playoff resume out of the water. Elway is the closest but again, he rode Terrell Davis to those rings. Peyton was clearly worse in the playoffs than Rodgers, but his D carried him to that 2nd ring to help make the resume look prettier.
I think Tom Brady has broken the way we perceive QB success. Winning 1 Super Bowl in your career is awesome. To rip on Rodgers for "ONLY" winning 1 so far is silly.
But in regards to Rodgers legacy - losses like last night means he’s closer to 10 then say like 3.
That’s the meaning of my thread. He has all the regular season accolades but too many bad losses in the playoffs. For as good as he is, he should be 3-4. Not like 7-8.
Has the best WR in the game, and excellent RB and let’s not act like Lazard is chop liver.
The fact of the matter is the Rodgers is a top 5 player in the game. He played at home. His defense dominated. And despite the STs ineptness, all he had to do was score 14 points.
So you just ignore the front 4 dominating the packers line? Narratives are great. You say he’s confused but did he drop the big time 3rd down pass to his tight end who was open for a 30 yard gain? Did he fumble the ball on the second drive at midfield? Confused right. Jesus people use words they don’t even know what they mean. He wasn’t confused. He had big time drops in bad spots and a defensive line who was in his face all night long. Go back and watch the game.
If you watch the game, he was confused all night. The 49ers were disguising defenses that led to him holding the ball. He never used his legs either. As one of the best in the game, he didn’t get it done. I don’t care if he completes 2 yard passes. He made one great play where he had a guy open by 50 yards. But he didn’t make the plays needed to win.
So outside a busted coverage. He had 19 completion for 150 yards. That’s not stepping up. It’s not a good game. He takes the brunt of the responsibility.
Don’t forget that the Niners got paid to play last night too. Gotta give Shanny and his staff a lot of credit.
He and his Packer teams clearly left a few on the table by not even getting to another Super Bowl.
Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.
Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end
Those 3 are huge momentum shifts in the game
Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.
Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end
Those 3 are huge momentum shifts in the game
Burrow got sacked 9 times and threw for over 350 yards. If Rodgers did that and put up 19 points… he’s playing next weekend.
He put up 10 points. 10.
God it’s like people defending Jones when we lose 27-10. He sucked yesterday. And lost to a team they should have beaten at home.
Lol, not even close.
He and his Packer teams clearly left a few on the table by not even getting to another Super Bowl.
This is pretty accurate.
Burrow goes on the road against the 1 seed. Throws for 350 yards while getting sacked and hit every play. And before you think Tennessee isn’t good, they beat KC and Buffalo and SF this year.
Rodgers was home and threw for 225, 75 on a busted coverage, sacked 5 times. And scored a measly 10 points.
The game is on him.
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How burrow gets a ton of credit for the bengals win but Rodgers is at fault for the packers loss just think about that.
Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.
Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end
Those 3 are huge momentum shifts in the game
Burrow got sacked 9 times and threw for over 350 yards. If Rodgers did that and put up 19 points… he’s playing next weekend.
He put up 10 points. 10.
God it’s like people defending Jones when we lose 27-10. He sucked yesterday. And lost to a team they should have beaten at home.
Stats!!!! Did you watch the game. Burrow didnt play a great game by any stretch. Those stats do not show the true story of the game. His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ? Stop using stats to prove a point. Look at average ait yards per attempt and then yac by his WRs. Lost of those yards were chase making guys miss and taking it for big gains. Simple throws to the flat. Higgins, simple throw to the flat. Talk about the actual game. He didn’t play a great football game. It’s simple. Tennessee lost that game with stupidity. Burrow was solid. Nothing special.
Rodgers didn’t lose that game is my point. The packers messed up completely on specials which lost the game. If they didn’t nobody would be saying Rodgers is a choker. The narrative would be jimmy G is awful etc
Don’t tell people to watch games if you’re not even paying attention yourself.
Uzomah had 7 for 71 - not many YACs there.
Higgins didn’t catch one screen. And he had 3 drops too
So you’re points are just flat out wrong.
Don’t tell people to watch games if you’re not even paying attention yourself.
I did. Of course I did. A lot of the sacks was him not understanding the coverage and blocking scheme they had. He ran backwards many times theoretically taking them out of field goal range if not for a great kicking performance. Your elevating his performance and taking away from Rodgers. Burrows yardage totals are inflated by yac by his stud WR. It’s simple. Look at air yards per attempt.
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The bengals game if you think Burrow just held the ball and didn’t make any big time throws.
Don’t tell people to watch games if you’re not even paying attention yourself.
I did. Of course I did. A lot of the sacks was him not understanding the coverage and blocking scheme they had. He ran backwards many times theoretically taking them out of field goal range if not for a great kicking performance. Your elevating his performance and taking away from Rodgers. Burrows yardage totals are inflated by yac by his stud WR. It’s simple. Look at air yards per attempt.
Except a lot of the times the announcers showed on replays the WR were running deep routes and he didn’t have time to get them the ball
You’re right Burrow was awful. His WRs carried him. Not like Rodgers has any stud WR either.
Burrow went in the road and played with big major balls. Rodgers played at home and didn’t get it done. It’s that simple.
I can’t believe how small he came in this game. Horrible loss for him.
I think Brady is probably the MVP regardless.
I said everyone is praising him and detracting from Rodgers saying he choked. He didn’t choke at all. You can’t praise burrow and say Rodgers choked it’s crazy.
Your saying taking away the big play by chase. Take away the big play by the tight end before half. Take away the big run by Higgins. That’s over 120 yards combined lol. Burrow didn’t read some blitzes/protections correctly which lead to sacks. Not all of them are on him. Simmons was a beast yesterday. But a few of them are on the QB if you blitz 6 with an empty backfield the QB has to get the ball out can’t run backwards and take sacks. His kicker was a beast. They only scored 19 points and 3 of those were on a field goal gifted to them on a pick
I’ll tell you one thing. He played worlds better than Aaron Rodgers.
Brady 6
Eli 2
Ben 2
Peyton 2
Rodgers 1
Brees 1
Favre 1
Warner 1
Rivers 0
Romo 0
Ryan 0
McNab 0
Stafford 0
Smith 0
Who else did I miss?
Cam Newton 0
But he desperately wants to play and win another SB.
I think he realizes a change is in order and he won't return to the tundra in 2022.
San Fran appears to be the best destination for him as he needs a team ready to win now.
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I find it bizarre how defensive some Giants fans get over Rodgers.
The Giants had a real shot to make some noise in 2010, even after the Dodge game, but Rodgers took the Giants behind the shed the day after Christmas.
When you have to use 11-year-old remembrances you really have a weak-ass argument. But you do you!
Weak ass argument? I don’t like the players on the other teams who beat the Giants in important games. Hell I don’t like Jim McMahon for beating the Giants in the playoffs when I was three.
I’m very comfortable being me.
I don’t think I ever heard anybody say Brees is the best QB all time where is many make that claim for Rodgers. If you’re considered to be the best your career will be under a microscope in every aspect.
Not a knock, just the truth.
Had the ball four mins to go, at home. clutch time, and he shit the bed for a three and out.
His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ?
Did you watch the Cincy-Titans game? On at least 5 of the sacks, the defensive player was virtually unblocked. So Burrow actually did the right thing - take the sack.
On at least 2 of the sacks, the receivers ran deep routes that didn't afford Burrow ANY option to go with the ball when the protection quickly broke down.
I'm not sure I've seen a worst OL performance in a playoff game. Yet, Burrow hung in there and made big plays when it mattered most. Averaging 9+ YPA under such duress was brilliant.
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His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ?
Did you watch the Cincy-Titans game? On at least 5 of the sacks, the defensive player was virtually unblocked. So Burrow actually did the right thing - take the sack.
On at least 2 of the sacks, the receivers ran deep routes that didn't afford Burrow ANY option to go with the ball when the protection quickly broke down.
I'm not sure I've seen a worst OL performance in a playoff game. Yet, Burrow hung in there and made big plays when it mattered most. Averaging 9+ YPA under such duress was brilliant.
Didn’t you know - they were all catch and runs lol
You must have bbi alerts on. How quickly you respond is freaky. Didn’t know bbi had that feature.
We watched a different game. But to each their own.
I do agree, however, a few of those sacks were on Burrow. Every QB has those. But I stand by my original POV that the majority of the sacks were on the OL.
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You must have bbi alerts on. How quickly you respond is freaky. Didn’t know bbi had that feature.
Lol. Haha
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Another GB home playoff game......another GB home playoff loss. The Championship Tally remains:
Brady 6
Eli 2
Ben 2
Peyton 2
Rodgers 1
Brees 1
Favre 1
Warner 1
Rivers 0
Romo 0
Ryan 0
McNab 0
Stafford 0
Smith 0
Who else did I miss?
Cam Newton 0
And isn't Brady at 7?
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Unblocked meaning free rusher. Need to know your protections. The announcer said the same exact thing. You have to know where the free rusher is coming from. He did not on a few occasions. Please, your speaking as of they came up the A gap every time unblocked. Yes simmons had a great game and had 3 sacks himself. I understand that his line wasn’t great. I’m specifically talking about the sacks where the edge defender was intentionally unblocked by design. They came off the edge. I’m not saying every sack was his fault but on a bunch of them the fault is on the Qb. He has to know where the protection is sliding and who is the free rusher. This isn’t something I made up. Was talked about on the broadcast. Also, taking a sack is fine. Running 10 yards back and then taking a sack isnt. He was bailed out on some great kicking. If that kicker missed 2 kicks the narrative would be burrow is young didnt read the pressure right and took bad sacks knocking his team out of field goal range. Lucky for him his kicker was money.
We watched a different game. But to each their own.
I do agree, however, a few of those sacks were on Burrow. Every QB has those. But I stand by my original POV that the majority of the sacks were on the OL.
Correct.
When you're in FG range, you know pre snap you can't take a sack.
A few of those, he just refused to throw the ball away.
It's minor in the big scheme, kid has a world of talent. He'll improve on that as he gets his offense down pat.
But it could have cost them the game.
He's also a total diva so that's going to factor into his legacy too, @ least for me.
Rodgers played not to lose and for himself. He's basically a selfish person and that can have an impact in team sports.
Fair enough. For a second-year player in his first playoff run, Burrow has acquitted himself pretty damn well.
I didn't say Rodgers choked, btw. I thought under the conditions in Lambeau he did enough for them to win a low scoring game. Because that's what the conditions dictated. In the history of the game, it's virtually impossible to win an NFL game when you have a FG blocked and a blocked punt for a TD.
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Agreed. Not saying he’s bad. He’s a stud I can see the talent from a mile away. He’s a great player who’s still learning. But when people act like he played great and rodgers choked it bothered me. Burrows best play of the day came on the last throw of the game to chase on the post route when he beat Jenkins and got into field goal range. Prior to that his best play IMO was his 3rd down scramble where he dove for the first. Kid has a lot of heart and mental toughness. He’ll be a great one but he’s not there yet. My point is you can’t praise burrow for the game he played and say Rodgers choked. That’s it.
Fair enough. For a second-year player in his first playoff run, Burrow has acquitted himself pretty damn well.
I didn't say Rodgers choked, btw. I thought under the conditions in Lambeau he did enough for them to win a low scoring game. Because that's what the conditions dictated. In the history of the game, it's virtually impossible to win an NFL game when you have a FG blocked and a blocked punt for a TD.
Virtually impossible to win the game when they were up 7-3 with 5 minutes to go?
Come on. Yes the STs were awful but the defense played outnof their ass to prevent them from scoring.
Rodgers needs to put up more than 10 points.
It does hurt him in comparison to Brady who is lapping the field in terms of playoff accomplishments.
Not a bad comparison but at least Peyton made it to 4 super bowls, instead of just 1 for Rodgers and won 2, granted he was carried to heaven in his second but he still won. Rodgers won 1 early in his career then proceeds to choke every single playoff appearance after and can't make another super bowl despite having HFA in multiple playoffs. Peyton has more visible choking moments where he makes dumb decisions while Rodgers it seems he and the rest of the team plays a step below regardless of their opponent.
Not wrong but for a guy we talking about being the MVP of the league and a top 3-4 QB ever, more is expected.
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Unitas
5. Graham
6. Elway
7. Marino
8. Rodgers
9. Favre
10. Baugh
11. Brees
11. Luckman
12. Young
13. Starr
14. Bradshaw
15. Staubach
16. Layne
17. Tarkenton
It's so damn hard to compare someone like Otto Graham or Staubach to Aaron Rodgers, it's possible I guess but I'm not even going to try to do that on this thread. It's almost a completely different sport, especially when it comes to the QB position. So I'm going to pare that list down to the QBs who played the majority of their careers since 1980, just to make for a more apples to apples type of comparison.
1. Brady (7 rings as starting QB)
2. Montana (4)
3. Manning (2)
4. Elway (2)
5. Marino (0)
6. Rodgers (1)
7. Favre (1)
8. Brees (1)
9. Young (1)
The only two guys on that list that were never called a "Loser" at some point by the media/public were Montana and Brady. Elway and Peyton are the only other QBs with 2 SB wins on that list, but both of them were being criticized for not "being able to win the big one" until they finally won one.
Elway finally won 2 late in his career and he played well for those teams, but the Broncos rushing attack was the strength of that team and just dominated in the playoffs. Terrell Davis averaged 150 rushing yards per game in the playoffs over 7 games when they went Back-to-Back. I repeat, he AVERAGED 150 on the ground!
When Peyton won his 1st SB, we all remember that comeback against the Pats and that was a career defining moment. But for that entire playoff run, Peyton threw 3 TDs and 7 INTs. For his 2nd SB title, Peyton was a shell of himself and carried by his defense. He threw 9 TD and 17 INT that season. But that Broncos D was unbelievable, probably the best front 7 I can remember a team having in recent memory (Von Miller + Ware was unfair).
Everyone else on that list won only 1 SB, except for Marino who never won it. All of those guys received flack for not winning more. Favre was ripped on for all the back-breaking INTs. Brees never received consideration for being the best in his era due to only having 1 ring. Young was ripped on for "not being Joe Montana" even though he dominated the league and won 1. And Marino never winning it all is one of the first sentences in his career bio.
So long story short, Aaron Rodgers probably will never be considered a Brady/Montana level killer in the clutch and natural born winner. But that's ok, because those 2 are in a class of their own and Brady might even be in another class from Montana at this point. But there's really no other legendary modern QB who blows Rodgers' playoff resume out of the water. Elway is the closest but again, he rode Terrell Davis to those rings. Peyton was clearly worse in the playoffs than Rodgers, but his D carried him to that 2nd ring to help make the resume look prettier.
I think Tom Brady has broken the way we perceive QB success. Winning 1 Super Bowl in your career is awesome. To rip on Rodgers for "ONLY" winning 1 so far is silly.
Is he arrogant because he have his opinion and it is different from yours?
That’s the meaning of my thread. He has all the regular season accolades but too many bad losses in the playoffs. For as good as he is, he should be 3-4. Not like 7-8.
Rodgers is a much better QB.