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Aaron Rodgers Legacy

GNewGiants : 1/22/2022 11:09 pm
IMO, it takes a massive hit. Another playoff loss at home as a favorite.

I think the break up happens this off-season.
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RE: I just don’t get the excuses  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2022 8:08 am : link
In comment 15568664 GNewGiants said:
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Blaming personnel? Well same personnel he’s going to win a MVP with.
Has the best WR in the game, and excellent RB and let’s not act like Lazard is chop liver.

The fact of the matter is the Rodgers is a top 5 player in the game. He played at home. His defense dominated. And despite the STs ineptness, all he had to do was score 14 points.

So you just ignore the front 4 dominating the packers line? Narratives are great. You say he’s confused but did he drop the big time 3rd down pass to his tight end who was open for a 30 yard gain? Did he fumble the ball on the second drive at midfield? Confused right. Jesus people use words they don’t even know what they mean. He wasn’t confused. He had big time drops in bad spots and a defensive line who was in his face all night long. Go back and watch the game.
If you watch the game, he was confused all night. The 49ers were disguising defenses that led to him holding the ball. He never used his legs either. As one of the best in the game, he didn’t get it done. I don’t care if he completes 2 yard passes. He made one great play where he had a guy open by 50 yards. But he didn’t make the plays needed to win.

So outside a busted coverage. He had 19 completion for 150 yards. That’s not stepping up. It’s not a good game. He takes the brunt of the responsibility.
Has 1 SB win thus far  
MyNameIsMyName : 1/23/2022 8:19 am : link
And he’ll go down as one of the all time great QB’s. Great legacy if you ask me.
Yeah, pretty good legacy  
trueblueinpw : 1/23/2022 8:25 am : link
If he never throws another pass he’s still a lock for the HoF. Probably first ballot. I feel asleep for the second half of the game last night, but even if he spent the second half jizzing on himself in the locker room I’d say he’s on of the best QBs I’ve watched in 40 years of pro football.

Don’t forget that the Niners got paid to play last night too. Gotta give Shanny and his staff a lot of credit.
Very strong legacy bit now these playoff disappointments  
NYGgolfer : 1/23/2022 8:36 am : link
are part of the calculus. Will still make the HoF with ease, but measuring him against the best of all-time will have these shortfalls to account for in the discussion.

He and his Packer teams clearly left a few on the table by not even getting to another Super Bowl.
Next to Brady the best of all time  
jeff57 : 1/23/2022 8:38 am : link
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It’s amazing to see  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2022 8:49 am : link
How burrow gets a ton of credit for the bengals win but Rodgers is at fault for the packers loss just think about that.

Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.

Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end

Those 3 are huge momentum shifts in the game
RE: It’s amazing to see  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 8:53 am : link
In comment 15568739 Tuckrule said:
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How burrow gets a ton of credit for the bengals win but Rodgers is at fault for the packers loss just think about that.

Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.

Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end

Those 3 are huge momentum shifts in the game


Burrow got sacked 9 times and threw for over 350 yards. If Rodgers did that and put up 19 points… he’s playing next weekend.

He put up 10 points. 10.

God it’s like people defending Jones when we lose 27-10. He sucked yesterday. And lost to a team they should have beaten at home.
RE: Next to Brady the best of all time  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 8:53 am : link
In comment 15568732 jeff57 said:
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Lol, not even close.
RE: Very strong legacy bit now these playoff disappointments  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15568727 NYGgolfer said:
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are part of the calculus. Will still make the HoF with ease, but measuring him against the best of all-time will have these shortfalls to account for in the discussion.

He and his Packer teams clearly left a few on the table by not even getting to another Super Bowl.


This is pretty accurate.
And the comparisons to Burrow yesterday  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 8:59 am : link
Are hysterical.

Burrow goes on the road against the 1 seed. Throws for 350 yards while getting sacked and hit every play. And before you think Tennessee isn’t good, they beat KC and Buffalo and SF this year.

Rodgers was home and threw for 225, 75 on a busted coverage, sacked 5 times. And scored a measly 10 points.

The game is on him.
RE: RE: It’s amazing to see  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2022 9:00 am : link
In comment 15568743 GNewGiants said:
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How burrow gets a ton of credit for the bengals win but Rodgers is at fault for the packers loss just think about that.

Burrow didn’t play that great at all. Sacked a bunch. Held onto the ball pretty much costed his team field goals if not for an elite kicker bailing him out time after time. Bengals D stepped up huge in that game. Stupidity by the Titans staff. There was not a throw you can point to as a great play. Chase took short passes for big gainers. Yet burrow is praised. Rodgers has drops in big spots a blocked chip shot field goal before half and a blocked punt that tied the game. That’s 10 points right there. Keep in mind the niners couldn’t move the ball they just got stopped on a 4th and 1. They couldn’t do anything. If that punt is successful and the ball goes to even midfield the niners are not getting a touchdown and Rodgers wins. The hate is ridiculous for this guy. I get we hate him as a person but his play wasn’t poor yesterday. His team let him down.

Fumble second drive of game at midfield. Points off the board
Blocked field goal before half
Dropped first down near midfield by the tight end

Those 3 are huge momentum shifts in the game



Burrow got sacked 9 times and threw for over 350 yards. If Rodgers did that and put up 19 points… he’s playing next weekend.

He put up 10 points. 10.

God it’s like people defending Jones when we lose 27-10. He sucked yesterday. And lost to a team they should have beaten at home.


Stats!!!! Did you watch the game. Burrow didnt play a great game by any stretch. Those stats do not show the true story of the game. His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ? Stop using stats to prove a point. Look at average ait yards per attempt and then yac by his WRs. Lost of those yards were chase making guys miss and taking it for big gains. Simple throws to the flat. Higgins, simple throw to the flat. Talk about the actual game. He didn’t play a great football game. It’s simple. Tennessee lost that game with stupidity. Burrow was solid. Nothing special.

Rodgers didn’t lose that game is my point. The packers messed up completely on specials which lost the game. If they didn’t nobody would be saying Rodgers is a choker. The narrative would be jimmy G is awful etc
You obviously didn’t watch  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 9:02 am : link
The bengals game if you think Burrow just held the ball and didn’t make any big time throws.

Don’t tell people to watch games if you’re not even paying attention yourself.
Other than the one catch and run  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 9:05 am : link
Chase had 4 catches for 42 yards.
Uzomah had 7 for 71 - not many YACs there.
Higgins didn’t catch one screen. And he had 3 drops too

So you’re points are just flat out wrong.
RE: You obviously didn’t watch  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2022 9:08 am : link
In comment 15568759 GNewGiants said:
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The bengals game if you think Burrow just held the ball and didn’t make any big time throws.

Don’t tell people to watch games if you’re not even paying attention yourself.


I did. Of course I did. A lot of the sacks was him not understanding the coverage and blocking scheme they had. He ran backwards many times theoretically taking them out of field goal range if not for a great kicking performance. Your elevating his performance and taking away from Rodgers. Burrows yardage totals are inflated by yac by his stud WR. It’s simple. Look at air yards per attempt.
RE: RE: You obviously didn’t watch  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 9:11 am : link
In comment 15568766 Tuckrule said:
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The bengals game if you think Burrow just held the ball and didn’t make any big time throws.

Don’t tell people to watch games if you’re not even paying attention yourself.



I did. Of course I did. A lot of the sacks was him not understanding the coverage and blocking scheme they had. He ran backwards many times theoretically taking them out of field goal range if not for a great kicking performance. Your elevating his performance and taking away from Rodgers. Burrows yardage totals are inflated by yac by his stud WR. It’s simple. Look at air yards per attempt.


Except a lot of the times the announcers showed on replays the WR were running deep routes and he didn’t have time to get them the ball

You’re right Burrow was awful. His WRs carried him. Not like Rodgers has any stud WR either.

Burrow went in the road and played with big major balls. Rodgers played at home and didn’t get it done. It’s that simple.
RE: I know it will never happen…  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2022 9:15 am : link
In comment 15568334 GNewGiants said:
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But the MVP voting would look a different after this game.

I can’t believe how small he came in this game. Horrible loss for him.

I think Brady is probably the MVP regardless.
Dude your like a child I didn’t say he was awful and was carried by  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2022 9:17 am : link
His WRs. Your like a baby who hasn’t had his bottle yet.

I said everyone is praising him and detracting from Rodgers saying he choked. He didn’t choke at all. You can’t praise burrow and say Rodgers choked it’s crazy.

Your saying taking away the big play by chase. Take away the big play by the tight end before half. Take away the big run by Higgins. That’s over 120 yards combined lol. Burrow didn’t read some blitzes/protections correctly which lead to sacks. Not all of them are on him. Simmons was a beast yesterday. But a few of them are on the QB if you blitz 6 with an empty backfield the QB has to get the ball out can’t run backwards and take sacks. His kicker was a beast. They only scored 19 points and 3 of those were on a field goal gifted to them on a pick
Wow  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 9:25 am : link
Seems like Burrow made a lot of big plays.
And you literally said  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 9:26 am : link
Burrow didn’t play great at all. Which is really diminishing what he did.

I’ll tell you one thing. He played worlds better than Aaron Rodgers.
RE: The more things change....the more they remain the same....  
KingBlue : 1/23/2022 10:33 am : link
In comment 15568453 No Where Man said:
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Another GB home playoff game......another GB home playoff loss. The Championship Tally remains:

Brady 6

Eli 2
Ben 2
Peyton 2
Rodgers 1
Brees 1
Favre 1
Warner 1
Rivers 0
Romo 0
Ryan 0
McNab 0
Stafford 0
Smith 0

Who else did I miss?


Cam Newton 0
I mean his legacy..  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 11:00 am : link
...is an all time great.

But he desperately wants to play and win another SB.

I think he realizes a change is in order and he won't return to the tundra in 2022.

San Fran appears to be the best destination for him as he needs a team ready to win now.
RE: RE: …  
christian : 1/23/2022 11:09 am : link
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I find it bizarre how defensive some Giants fans get over Rodgers.

The Giants had a real shot to make some noise in 2010, even after the Dodge game, but Rodgers took the Giants behind the shed the day after Christmas.


When you have to use 11-year-old remembrances you really have a weak-ass argument. But you do you!


Weak ass argument? I don’t like the players on the other teams who beat the Giants in important games. Hell I don’t like Jim McMahon for beating the Giants in the playoffs when I was three.

I’m very comfortable being me.
RE: I know that he's a douche and Brees seems like a good guy  
Bizfoodie : 1/23/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15568590 BestFeature said:
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but I can't figure out why Brees winning only one was never some huge black eye to his legacy but it is for Rodgers.


I don’t think I ever heard anybody say Brees is the best QB all time where is many make that claim for Rodgers. If you’re considered to be the best your career will be under a microscope in every aspect.
Rodgers is amazing  
rocco8112 : 1/23/2022 11:36 am : link
one of the all time best. Just not good enough or clutch enough to lead his squad to two titles.

Not a knock, just the truth.

Had the ball four mins to go, at home. clutch time, and he shit the bed for a three and out.

RE: RE: RE: It’s amazing to see  
bw in dc : 1/23/2022 11:43 am : link
In comment 15568757 Tuckrule said:
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His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ?


Did you watch the Cincy-Titans game? On at least 5 of the sacks, the defensive player was virtually unblocked. So Burrow actually did the right thing - take the sack.

On at least 2 of the sacks, the receivers ran deep routes that didn't afford Burrow ANY option to go with the ball when the protection quickly broke down.

I'm not sure I've seen a worst OL performance in a playoff game. Yet, Burrow hung in there and made big plays when it mattered most. Averaging 9+ YPA under such duress was brilliant.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It’s amazing to see  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 11:45 am : link
In comment 15569021 bw in dc said:
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His sack totals a lot of them were him holding the ball not understanding the free rusher and getting the ball out. How many times did he run backwards get sacked and have to be bailed out by a kicker ?



Did you watch the Cincy-Titans game? On at least 5 of the sacks, the defensive player was virtually unblocked. So Burrow actually did the right thing - take the sack.

On at least 2 of the sacks, the receivers ran deep routes that didn't afford Burrow ANY option to go with the ball when the protection quickly broke down.

I'm not sure I've seen a worst OL performance in a playoff game. Yet, Burrow hung in there and made big plays when it mattered most. Averaging 9+ YPA under such duress was brilliant.


Didn’t you know - they were all catch and runs lol
Lmao  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2022 12:03 pm : link
Unblocked meaning free rusher. Need to know your protections. The announcer said the same exact thing. You have to know where the free rusher is coming from. He did not on a few occasions. Please, your speaking as of they came up the A gap every time unblocked. Yes simmons had a great game and had 3 sacks himself. I understand that his line wasn’t great. I’m specifically talking about the sacks where the edge defender was intentionally unblocked by design. They came off the edge. I’m not saying every sack was his fault but on a bunch of them the fault is on the Qb. He has to know where the protection is sliding and who is the free rusher. This isn’t something I made up. Was talked about on the broadcast. Also, taking a sack is fine. Running 10 yards back and then taking a sack isnt. He was bailed out on some great kicking. If that kicker missed 2 kicks the narrative would be burrow is young didnt read the pressure right and took bad sacks knocking his team out of field goal range. Lucky for him his kicker was money.
Lol  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 12:04 pm : link
Haha
RE: Lol  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2022 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15569066 GNewGiants said:
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Haha


You must have bbi alerts on. How quickly you respond is freaky. Didn’t know bbi had that feature.
RE: Lmao  
bw in dc : 1/23/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15569065 Tuckrule said:
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Unblocked meaning free rusher. Need to know your protections. The announcer said the same exact thing. You have to know where the free rusher is coming from. He did not on a few occasions. Please, your speaking as of they came up the A gap every time unblocked. Yes simmons had a great game and had 3 sacks himself. I understand that his line wasn’t great. I’m specifically talking about the sacks where the edge defender was intentionally unblocked by design. They came off the edge. I’m not saying every sack was his fault but on a bunch of them the fault is on the Qb. He has to know where the protection is sliding and who is the free rusher. This isn’t something I made up. Was talked about on the broadcast. Also, taking a sack is fine. Running 10 yards back and then taking a sack isnt. He was bailed out on some great kicking. If that kicker missed 2 kicks the narrative would be burrow is young didnt read the pressure right and took bad sacks knocking his team out of field goal range. Lucky for him his kicker was money.


We watched a different game. But to each their own.

I do agree, however, a few of those sacks were on Burrow. Every QB has those. But I stand by my original POV that the majority of the sacks were on the OL.
RE: RE: Lol  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15569070 Tuckrule said:
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Haha



You must have bbi alerts on. How quickly you respond is freaky. Didn’t know bbi had that feature.


Lol. Haha
RE: RE: The more things change....the more they remain the same....  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2022 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15568897 KingBlue said:
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Another GB home playoff game......another GB home playoff loss. The Championship Tally remains:

Brady 6

Eli 2
Ben 2
Peyton 2
Rodgers 1
Brees 1
Favre 1
Warner 1
Rivers 0
Romo 0
Ryan 0
McNab 0
Stafford 0
Smith 0

Who else did I miss?



Cam Newton 0

And isn't Brady at 7?
Rodgers is an all time great  
Go Terps : 1/23/2022 12:46 pm : link
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RE: RE: Lmao  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15569096 bw in dc said:
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Unblocked meaning free rusher. Need to know your protections. The announcer said the same exact thing. You have to know where the free rusher is coming from. He did not on a few occasions. Please, your speaking as of they came up the A gap every time unblocked. Yes simmons had a great game and had 3 sacks himself. I understand that his line wasn’t great. I’m specifically talking about the sacks where the edge defender was intentionally unblocked by design. They came off the edge. I’m not saying every sack was his fault but on a bunch of them the fault is on the Qb. He has to know where the protection is sliding and who is the free rusher. This isn’t something I made up. Was talked about on the broadcast. Also, taking a sack is fine. Running 10 yards back and then taking a sack isnt. He was bailed out on some great kicking. If that kicker missed 2 kicks the narrative would be burrow is young didnt read the pressure right and took bad sacks knocking his team out of field goal range. Lucky for him his kicker was money.



We watched a different game. But to each their own.

I do agree, however, a few of those sacks were on Burrow. Every QB has those. But I stand by my original POV that the majority of the sacks were on the OL.


Correct.

When you're in FG range, you know pre snap you can't take a sack.

A few of those, he just refused to throw the ball away.

It's minor in the big scheme, kid has a world of talent. He'll improve on that as he gets his offense down pat.

But it could have cost them the game.

Bw  
Tuckrule : 1/23/2022 1:00 pm : link
Agreed. Not saying he’s bad. He’s a stud I can see the talent from a mile away. He’s a great player who’s still learning. But when people act like he played great and rodgers choked it bothered me. Burrows best play of the day came on the last throw of the game to chase on the post route when he beat Jenkins and got into field goal range. Prior to that his best play IMO was his 3rd down scramble where he dove for the first. Kid has a lot of heart and mental toughness. He’ll be a great one but he’s not there yet. My point is you can’t praise burrow for the game he played and say Rodgers choked. That’s it.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2022 1:02 pm : link
Gun to head...I think he's the most talented QB I've ever seen in terms of arm & legs. But his lack of postseason success is going to haunt him, even though he has a ring unlike Marino.

He's also a total diva so that's going to factor into his legacy too, @ least for me.
This thread  
pjcas18 : 1/23/2022 1:13 pm : link
and many like it remind me of the Teddy Roosevelt quote about the man in the arena and many of you personify the cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat. And this (my thoughts on the thread) has very little to do with Rodgers. No offense.

I think the difference between Burrow and Rodgers yesterday  
Kevin_in_Pgh : 1/23/2022 1:39 pm : link
Is that Burrow played to win and played for his team.

Rodgers played not to lose and for himself. He's basically a selfish person and that can have an impact in team sports.
RE: Bw  
bw in dc : 1/23/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15569156 Tuckrule said:
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Agreed. Not saying he’s bad. He’s a stud I can see the talent from a mile away. He’s a great player who’s still learning. But when people act like he played great and rodgers choked it bothered me. Burrows best play of the day came on the last throw of the game to chase on the post route when he beat Jenkins and got into field goal range. Prior to that his best play IMO was his 3rd down scramble where he dove for the first. Kid has a lot of heart and mental toughness. He’ll be a great one but he’s not there yet. My point is you can’t praise burrow for the game he played and say Rodgers choked. That’s it.


Fair enough. For a second-year player in his first playoff run, Burrow has acquitted himself pretty damn well.

I didn't say Rodgers choked, btw. I thought under the conditions in Lambeau he did enough for them to win a low scoring game. Because that's what the conditions dictated. In the history of the game, it's virtually impossible to win an NFL game when you have a FG blocked and a blocked punt for a TD.

RE: RE: Bw  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 1:56 pm : link
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Agreed. Not saying he’s bad. He’s a stud I can see the talent from a mile away. He’s a great player who’s still learning. But when people act like he played great and rodgers choked it bothered me. Burrows best play of the day came on the last throw of the game to chase on the post route when he beat Jenkins and got into field goal range. Prior to that his best play IMO was his 3rd down scramble where he dove for the first. Kid has a lot of heart and mental toughness. He’ll be a great one but he’s not there yet. My point is you can’t praise burrow for the game he played and say Rodgers choked. That’s it.



Fair enough. For a second-year player in his first playoff run, Burrow has acquitted himself pretty damn well.

I didn't say Rodgers choked, btw. I thought under the conditions in Lambeau he did enough for them to win a low scoring game. Because that's what the conditions dictated. In the history of the game, it's virtually impossible to win an NFL game when you have a FG blocked and a blocked punt for a TD.


Virtually impossible to win the game when they were up 7-3 with 5 minutes to go?

Come on. Yes the STs were awful but the defense played outnof their ass to prevent them from scoring.

Rodgers needs to put up more than 10 points.
Rodgers was on the inferior team yesterday  
Go Terps : 1/23/2022 2:02 pm : link
The 49er defense was faster, stronger, and deeper than the Packet offense. By the fourth quarter the GB offensive players looked worn down from the beating. The game was only close because of Garoppolo.
Well, Rodgers...  
bw in dc : 1/23/2022 2:05 pm : link
should have had 13 points, but the OL was Swiss cheese on the chip shot FG attempt at the end of the first half. That was a critical moment in the game. Huge momentum shift after SF gave up the long pass to Jones on the blown coverage.



RE: He’s similar to Peyton  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/23/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15568368 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Except Peyton was even worse in the playoffs. His legacy will be fine.

It does hurt him in comparison to Brady who is lapping the field in terms of playoff accomplishments.

Not a bad comparison but at least Peyton made it to 4 super bowls, instead of just 1 for Rodgers and won 2, granted he was carried to heaven in his second but he still won. Rodgers won 1 early in his career then proceeds to choke every single playoff appearance after and can't make another super bowl despite having HFA in multiple playoffs. Peyton has more visible choking moments where he makes dumb decisions while Rodgers it seems he and the rest of the team plays a step below regardless of their opponent.
RE: Well, Rodgers...  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15569264 bw in dc said:
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should have had 13 points, but the OL was Swiss cheese on the chip shot FG attempt at the end of the first half. That was a critical moment in the game. Huge momentum shift after SF gave up the long pass to Jones on the blown coverage.




Not wrong but for a guy we talking about being the MVP of the league and a top 3-4 QB ever, more is expected.
Rodgers was pretty awful last night  
dpinzow : 1/23/2022 2:44 pm : link
A QBR of 19.8. The Packers defense was the reason they were ahead most of the way. I think the Packers had 58 total yards in the 2nd half
The Athletic did a Top 100 list before the season  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/23/2022 2:45 pm : link
The NFL is probably the hardest sport to do such a list for due to a variety of reasons. But I thought they did a really solid job with the list, even if I didn't agree with several of their decisions. These are the QBs who made the list, in the order they made it.

1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Unitas
5. Graham
6. Elway
7. Marino
8. Rodgers
9. Favre
10. Baugh
11. Brees
11. Luckman
12. Young
13. Starr
14. Bradshaw
15. Staubach
16. Layne
17. Tarkenton

It's so damn hard to compare someone like Otto Graham or Staubach to Aaron Rodgers, it's possible I guess but I'm not even going to try to do that on this thread. It's almost a completely different sport, especially when it comes to the QB position. So I'm going to pare that list down to the QBs who played the majority of their careers since 1980, just to make for a more apples to apples type of comparison.

1. Brady (7 rings as starting QB)
2. Montana (4)
3. Manning (2)
4. Elway (2)
5. Marino (0)
6. Rodgers (1)
7. Favre (1)
8. Brees (1)
9. Young (1)

The only two guys on that list that were never called a "Loser" at some point by the media/public were Montana and Brady. Elway and Peyton are the only other QBs with 2 SB wins on that list, but both of them were being criticized for not "being able to win the big one" until they finally won one.

Elway finally won 2 late in his career and he played well for those teams, but the Broncos rushing attack was the strength of that team and just dominated in the playoffs. Terrell Davis averaged 150 rushing yards per game in the playoffs over 7 games when they went Back-to-Back. I repeat, he AVERAGED 150 on the ground!

When Peyton won his 1st SB, we all remember that comeback against the Pats and that was a career defining moment. But for that entire playoff run, Peyton threw 3 TDs and 7 INTs. For his 2nd SB title, Peyton was a shell of himself and carried by his defense. He threw 9 TD and 17 INT that season. But that Broncos D was unbelievable, probably the best front 7 I can remember a team having in recent memory (Von Miller + Ware was unfair).

Everyone else on that list won only 1 SB, except for Marino who never won it. All of those guys received flack for not winning more. Favre was ripped on for all the back-breaking INTs. Brees never received consideration for being the best in his era due to only having 1 ring. Young was ripped on for "not being Joe Montana" even though he dominated the league and won 1. And Marino never winning it all is one of the first sentences in his career bio.

So long story short, Aaron Rodgers probably will never be considered a Brady/Montana level killer in the clutch and natural born winner. But that's ok, because those 2 are in a class of their own and Brady might even be in another class from Montana at this point. But there's really no other legendary modern QB who blows Rodgers' playoff resume out of the water. Elway is the closest but again, he rode Terrell Davis to those rings. Peyton was clearly worse in the playoffs than Rodgers, but his D carried him to that 2nd ring to help make the resume look prettier.

I think Tom Brady has broken the way we perceive QB success. Winning 1 Super Bowl in your career is awesome. To rip on Rodgers for "ONLY" winning 1 so far is silly.
RE: It’s nice to see arrogance humbled.  
halfback20 : 1/23/2022 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15568357 bwitz said:
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Fuck him.


Is he arrogant because he have his opinion and it is different from yours?
Osi- that’s a really strong post  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 2:52 pm : link
But in regards to Rodgers legacy - losses like last night means he’s closer to 10 then say like 3.

That’s the meaning of my thread. He has all the regular season accolades but too many bad losses in the playoffs. For as good as he is, he should be 3-4. Not like 7-8.
Was Drew Brees any better  
halfback20 : 1/23/2022 2:55 pm : link
Than Rodgers in the playoffs? And he only won 1 super bowl. Everyone loves to hate on Rodgers, but what's the difference in the two?
RE: Was Drew Brees any better  
GNewGiants : 1/23/2022 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15569356 halfback20 said:
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Than Rodgers in the playoffs? And he only won 1 super bowl. Everyone loves to hate on Rodgers, but what's the difference in the two?


Rodgers is a much better QB.
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