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A Rodgers... too much credit. Playoff choker.. discuss

OBJ_AllDay : 1/22/2022 11:39 pm
Ok so the guy is a great qb but it’s getting pretty hard to ignore his postseason performances. Awful last year against Tampa and awful tonight. Not good against the 2011 g men. Guy kinda is a big game choker at this point... he’s a VERY VERY VERY intelligent man and qb but regularly comes up small. I believe they wouldn’t have the ring they have without the deshaun Jackson punt return to beat us?! If I’m wrong someone correct me. Overrated qb? End of the road in GB?!
Disagree  
adamg : 1/22/2022 11:42 pm : link
his victory in the regular season means a lot more than post season success.
OBJ  
19th Hole : 1/22/2022 11:43 pm : link
He's no Eli Manning!!!
Consider  
adamg : 1/22/2022 11:44 pm : link
verstehen?
The Deshaun Jackson play reference has to stop  
Mike from Ohio : 1/22/2022 11:55 pm : link
Every QB can lose a SB title if one play goes the other way. Eli threw a pass the Asante Samuel could have intercepted and the Eli has one SB title. You can do this for almost anyone.

Rodgers is a different and lesser QB in the playoffs than the regular season, but he earned the SB title he does have.
you'd  
RasputinPrime : 1/23/2022 12:08 am : link
cream your drawers to be able to cheer for him.
No  
Festina Lente : 1/23/2022 12:10 am : link
He is a goddang legend even if he never makes it to another playoff.
he's peyton manning  
Mook80 : 1/23/2022 12:16 am : link
in the playoffs. He'll have a couple more chances to get a 2nd ring. Peyton's legacy hasn't been hurt much by his playoff performances which were actually worse than Rodgers.
You can't take a SB win from a Qb  
montanagiant : 1/23/2022 12:20 am : link
He won that and deserved that win.

Now the fact he has only one SB title is also something he earned and it mainly has to do with him coming up small in big games
Did you forget  
SomeFan : 1/23/2022 12:23 am : link
he won an SB?
I think people underrate  
Breeze_94 : 1/23/2022 12:24 am : link
How difficult it is to make a super bowl let alone win one.

Rodgers is a great QB. This was always going to be an ugly game with the conditions. He outplayed the opposing QB. Unfortunately this game was lost due to GB special teams.
RE: Disagree  
TrustTheProcess : 1/23/2022 12:26 am : link
In comment 15568477 adamg said:
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his victory in the regular season means a lot more than post season success.


How?
RE: The Deshaun Jackson play reference has to stop  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/23/2022 12:34 am : link
In comment 15568504 Mike from Ohio said:
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Every QB can lose a SB title if one play goes the other way. Eli threw a pass the Asante Samuel could have intercepted and the Eli has one SB title. You can do this for almost anyone.

Rodgers is a different and lesser QB in the playoffs than the regular season, but he earned the SB title he does have.


Watch that play again. I assure you it’s nowhere near as close as you think it was
RE: OBJ  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/23/2022 12:36 am : link
In comment 15568478 19th Hole said:
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He's no Eli Manning!!!


That’s a fact. In fact, if Eli put these 2 performances postseason back to back as a member of the giants the pitchforks would be out on here
In 2010  
ray in arlington : 1/23/2022 12:43 am : link
if the NYG loss to PHI is changed into a win, both GB and NYG make the playoffs. PHI does not.
Credit where it’s due.  
CV36 : 1/23/2022 12:48 am : link
He’s phenomenal. Only one team finishes like they want every season. If I’m. Of mistaken the team they lose to usually wins the Super Bowl
We overstate one individual in a team game of 22+  
UberAlias : 1/23/2022 1:50 am : link
Last year he outplayed Brady yet Brady is GOAT and AR choker.
RE: We overstate one individual in a team game of 22+  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/23/2022 1:52 am : link
In comment 15568594 UberAlias said:
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Last year he outplayed Brady yet Brady is GOAT and AR choker.


Outplayed him? I guess. I look at it as Brady gift wrapping him three turnovers and him still not finding a way to win. Guy hasn’t been the same player in the postseason. It’s obvious
RE: We overstate one individual in a team game of 22+  
UberAlias : 1/23/2022 1:58 am : link
In comment 15568594 UberAlias said:
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Last year he outplayed Brady yet Brady is GOAT and AR choker.
I should clarify that this is particularly true in playoffs. The great QBs of past 2 decades by and large win 1 maybe 2 Superbowls. Favre Manning Brees Rodgers. IMO, Brady’s success is so extreme it raises questions is it really all him? He’s not 4x better than all the other greats of his era.
RE: RE: We overstate one individual in a team game of 22+  
UberAlias : 1/23/2022 2:04 am : link
In comment 15568596 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Last year he outplayed Brady yet Brady is GOAT and AR choker.



Outplayed him? I guess. I look at it as Brady gift wrapping him three turnovers and him still not finding a way to win. Guy hasn’t been the same player in the postseason. It’s obvious
That might explain the AR side of coin but the Brady side stabs the argument in back. How do you judge QBs so heavily based on SBs when you can gift wrap games and still be raised in the air? Answer is, there are a hell of a lot if other people making plays but being given zero credit here.
No that would be specual teams  
uconngiant : 1/23/2022 2:17 am : link
They lost the game and not Rodgers.
RE: RE: RE: We overstate one individual in a team game of 22+  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/23/2022 2:19 am : link
In comment 15568601 UberAlias said:
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Last year he outplayed Brady yet Brady is GOAT and AR choker.



Outplayed him? I guess. I look at it as Brady gift wrapping him three turnovers and him still not finding a way to win. Guy hasn’t been the same player in the postseason. It’s obvious

That might explain the AR side of coin but the Brady side stabs the argument in back. How do you judge QBs so heavily based on SBs when you can gift wrap games and still be raised in the air? Answer is, there are a hell of a lot if other people making plays but being given zero credit here.


I agree with that. And wish this board would appreciate that perspective for our team but still it should have been a lot easier for him than it was tonight to put some points on the board.
RE: Disagree  
Producer : 1/23/2022 2:21 am : link
In comment 15568477 adamg said:
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his victory in the regular season means a lot more than post season success.


But it's his preseason performance that really stands out to me. And his performance in preseason pressers that sets him apart from the other all time greats.
Overrated douchebag  
FatHeadTommy : 1/23/2022 7:53 am : link
He's a "me first"guy who puts himself above this team and everybody else. These kind of guys don't ultimately succeed. Hell he lied to his own teammates about being vaccinated, putting others at risk and the wellbeing of the organization in jeopardy. He doesn't even get alone with his nuclear family. He rips his team offseason and acquires this neighborhood pot head persona and look. Isn't he a little old to start playing drums for the Byrds? Listen to him in interviews. He is convinced he's the smartest guy in the room. He can't lose enough as far as I'm concerned.
He s one of the greatest  
joeinpa : 1/23/2022 8:05 am : link
Quarterbacks to ever play the game. He s won a championship, had chances to win others, there have been other great players who have never won, throwing the choker label wrong is disingenuous.
Yeah, it isn't everyday  
section125 : 1/23/2022 8:09 am : link
that the QB has his FG attempt blocked and his punt blocked for a TD...Rodgers needs to get his kicking game going.
you have to take the blame along with the credit.  
Victor in CT : 1/23/2022 8:21 am : link
yes, he's been a great player in the regular season who made a lot of bad coaches and mediocre teams look good. but he has also come up small in the playoffs.

And yes he's also a giant dooshbag, but that doesn't takeaway from the fact that he's a great talent.
Shocking game to say the least. Obviously specials did them in  
NYGgolfer : 1/23/2022 8:27 am : link
but Rodgers and the offense didn't do enough, once again.

Not sure choke is the right word, but he hasn't shined when facing a few active Defenses in recent playoffs.
They said the same thing about Marino  
jeff57 : 1/23/2022 8:34 am : link
And Peyton Manning. He’s a great QB. One of the best ever. Maybe the best all around QB. Not every great QB can be a Montana and Brady.
RE: RE: The Deshaun Jackson play reference has to stop  
Hammer : 1/23/2022 8:40 am : link
In comment 15568557 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Every QB can lose a SB title if one play goes the other way. Eli threw a pass the Asante Samuel could have intercepted and the Eli has one SB title. You can do this for almost anyone.

Rodgers is a different and lesser QB in the playoffs than the regular season, but he earned the SB title he does have.



Watch that play again. I assure you it’s nowhere near as close as you think it was


This.

I could never figure out why people think he Samuel play was an easy interception. The ball was about 12 feet high and he just barely got his hands on a hot throw.

Baffling.
Peton Manning and Rogers have a similar issue  
Hammer : 1/23/2022 8:43 am : link
They both had problems duplicating their regular season performances in the playoffs.

The difference between them is that Manning is a team first guy and a good man.

Rogers is a fucking unmitigated me first fuck everyone else asshole, and deserves all of the venom that is currently being thrown his way.
RE: RE: RE: The Deshaun Jackson play reference has to stop  
section125 : 1/23/2022 8:46 am : link
In comment 15568733 Hammer said:
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Every QB can lose a SB title if one play goes the other way. Eli threw a pass the Asante Samuel could have intercepted and the Eli has one SB title. You can do this for almost anyone.

Rodgers is a different and lesser QB in the playoffs than the regular season, but he earned the SB title he does have.



Watch that play again. I assure you it’s nowhere near as close as you think it was



This.

I could never figure out why people think he Samuel play was an easy interception. The ball was about 12 feet high and he just barely got his hands on a hot throw.

Baffling.


Yep
Great quarterback.  
an_idol_mind : 1/23/2022 8:48 am : link
Douchey guy. It's fun to see him lose.
RE: The Deshaun Jackson play reference has to stop  
FStubbs : 1/23/2022 9:12 am : link
In comment 15568504 Mike from Ohio said:
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Every QB can lose a SB title if one play goes the other way. Eli threw a pass the Asante Samuel could have intercepted and the Eli has one SB title. You can do this for almost anyone.

Rodgers is a different and lesser QB in the playoffs than the regular season, but he earned the SB title he does have.


Sure, if Asante Samuel was Yao Ming. That "almost interception" is as overplayed as the Wes Welker "drop" that Welker would've had to make an incredible play on to catch.
RE: you have to take the blame along with the credit.  
FStubbs : 1/23/2022 9:14 am : link
In comment 15568711 Victor in CT said:
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yes, he's been a great player in the regular season who made a lot of bad coaches and mediocre teams look good. but he has also come up small in the playoffs.

And yes he's also a giant dooshbag, but that doesn't takeaway from the fact that he's a great talent.


I'm not sure what the stat is now, but at one point Rodgers was something like 1-31 when trailing at the half IIRC. He was a notorious front runner.
he’s a VERY VERY VERY intelligent man??  
djm : 1/23/2022 10:53 am : link
Says who? Himself?
RE: Great quarterback.  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 11:03 am : link
In comment 15568738 an_idol_mind said:
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Douchey guy. It's fun to see him lose.


Yep, could not agree more.
RE: he’s a VERY VERY VERY intelligent man??  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 11:04 am : link
In comment 15568921 djm said:
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Says who? Himself?


Let's say he's opinionated lol
He was absolutely stupendous in the playoffs when they beat  
cosmicj : 1/23/2022 11:04 am : link
Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl. He was literally unstoppable. So I don’t think he’s a choke artist, that’s strong.

What’s interesting is that Favre’s record has a similar blotch on it. Won it once early in his career and then… year after year of playoff disappointment. And note that the Vikings have a dismal postseason history - disappointment after disappointment when they played outside. And the Bears, another cold weather outside Midwest team, have won it once.

Could playing in extreme cold climates really take it out of a team as winter arrives? The evidence is suggestive.
Whether it’s fair or not,  
Section331 : 1/23/2022 11:08 am : link
he will be judged in his postseason success, or lack of it. Just as many of us point to Eli’s SB MVP awards as evidence of his HOF worthiness, AR failing in so many postseason opportunities will affect how his career is viewed.

The same was true with Peyton, even after he won a SB with Indy. As with Peyton, a 2nd SB win would cement AR’s legacy as one of the very best to play, but he’s running out of chances.
Diagree ....  
Beer Man : 1/23/2022 11:15 am : link
I think he is at a point in his career where a Playoff team looking for that extra play at QB to get them a championship will be willing to give the Packers premium draft picks for his services.
Daniel Jones could have scored 10 points!  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/23/2022 11:29 am : link
Not Glennon and Fromm though.
Blame the Packer FO, HC and OC as well as special teams  
JohnF : 1/23/2022 11:32 am : link
The Packer offense works great on fields with great footing. But that wasn't the case last night. I think it's because the team was poorly designed for their environment, considering their playoff home games would be in January in Green Bay.

SF had a power straight ahead running game (perfect for the conditions), and ran a ton of slants. Lots of straight ahead routes. The Packer offense was too much WCO, and their receivers couldn't make sharp cuts on the turf.

I think this has been an issue ever since Holmgren/Favre days. The Packers had more success in the playoffs when they had a power running game...something the Packer FO should have been aware of when they built the team. WCO's aren't as effective in bad weather conditions.

The personal attacks on Rodgers are silly, btw. Yes, he's probably a jerk. So was LT. So are a lot of football players. 95% percent of BBI would be drooling if he came here as QB (not that it will happen).

Fans are very tolerant of this behavior when their teams are winning.
RE: Blame the Packer FO, HC and OC as well as special teams  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15568996 JohnF said:
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The Packer offense works great on fields with great footing. But that wasn't the case last night. I think it's because the team was poorly designed for their environment, considering their playoff home games would be in January in Green Bay.

SF had a power straight ahead running game (perfect for the conditions), and ran a ton of slants. Lots of straight ahead routes. The Packer offense was too much WCO, and their receivers couldn't make sharp cuts on the turf.

I think this has been an issue ever since Holmgren/Favre days. The Packers had more success in the playoffs when they had a power running game...something the Packer FO should have been aware of when they built the team. WCO's aren't as effective in bad weather conditions.

The personal attacks on Rodgers are silly, btw. Yes, he's probably a jerk. So was LT. So are a lot of football players. 95% percent of BBI would be drooling if he came here as QB (not that it will happen).

Fans are very tolerant of this behavior when their teams are winning.


He comes across as aloof. And that particular trait will rub a lot of people the wrong way, including fans.

It's an easy trait to root against if that person is on the other side.
Rodgers is very very very intelligent  
eclipz928 : 1/23/2022 12:32 pm : link
when it comes to football. I wouldn't mistake him for Stephen Hawking when it came to anything else.
Rodgers  
stretch234 : 1/23/2022 1:22 pm : link
Sometimes I get the same feeling watching him play as I did watching Ken Griffey JR play - there are times it just seems they are bored playing something they are incredibly good at
RE: I think people underrate  
dpinzow : 1/23/2022 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15568548 Breeze_94 said:
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How difficult it is to make a super bowl let alone win one.

Rodgers is a great QB. This was always going to be an ugly game with the conditions. He outplayed the opposing QB. Unfortunately this game was lost due to GB special teams.


Rivers never made a Super Bowl and he's considered a HoF QB. Fouts never made one and he's in the HoF. Marino only made it in his 2nd season and lost badly. It's really hard to win one
RE: Blame the Packer FO, HC and OC as well as special teams  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 1/23/2022 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15568996 JohnF said:
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The Packer offense works great on fields with great footing. But that wasn't the case last night. I think it's because the team was poorly designed for their environment, considering their playoff home games would be in January in Green Bay.

SF had a power straight ahead running game (perfect for the conditions), and ran a ton of slants. Lots of straight ahead routes. The Packer offense was too much WCO, and their receivers couldn't make sharp cuts on the turf.

I think this has been an issue ever since Holmgren/Favre days. The Packers had more success in the playoffs when they had a power running game...something the Packer FO should have been aware of when they built the team. WCO's aren't as effective in bad weather conditions.

The personal attacks on Rodgers are silly, btw. Yes, he's probably a jerk. So was LT. So are a lot of football players. 95% percent of BBI would be drooling if he came here as QB (not that it will happen).

Fans are very tolerant of this behavior when their teams are winning.


1. The 80s and 90s 49ers won a ton with a WCO on muddy fields, though. And the slant is a WCO staple. You’re right that they were slipping on the snow yesterday, though, so maybe it was a playcalling and/or equipment issue.

2. I think one of the problems with the Packers are that they consistently fail to get him weapons and rely on him to turn trash into treasure. Outside of Adams, he had two jags and a retread.

3. You’re also right about a power running game—or any running game at all. The Packers just don’t run the ball enough.

4. As some others here said, Rodgers comes off as aloof and distant (he does almost look bored at times). But I don’t think anything has ever come out about his teammates not liking him. The vaccine stuff was dumb and the family/dating stuff was weird, but it’s nothing compared to off-field issues that many other players have
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