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Green Bay Home Field Disadvantage

bcinsd : 1/22/2022 11:56 pm
Playing a playoff game in awful weather neutralized Green Bay's huge advantage over SF - Aaron Rodgers.

I wonder if he had played in a dome or warm weather city, would he have had an even greater career?

I think it’s about a lack of surrounding cast  
MetsAreBack : 1/23/2022 12:07 am : link
Not weather

It’s got to be exhausting for Adams too to have zero talent on the other side year after year after year. And when Robert Tonyan is a massive loss midseason, that’s absurd but it was. Their backup
Dropped a 40 yard catch in his bread basket tonight
It's like you read my mind OP  
Festina Lente : 1/23/2022 12:12 am : link
I was just musing about this myself during the game
RE: I think it’s about a lack of surrounding cast  
Mook80 : 1/23/2022 12:19 am : link
In comment 15568522 MetsAreBack said:
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Not weather

It’s got to be exhausting for Adams too to have zero talent on the other side year after year after year. And when Robert Tonyan is a massive loss midseason, that’s absurd but it was. Their backup
Dropped a 40 yard catch in his bread basket tonight


This isnt exactly fair either. His supporting cast isn't terrific but it's never been bad either. Adams is the best receiver in the sport, Jones is a very good RB. Are the 2nd and 3rd receivers great? No, but they have plenty enough weapons.

There is no arguing he doesn't play nearly as well in the playoffs as he does in the regular season.

The criticism is over the top but giving him a pass because of his supporting cast is also crazy. All the packers needed was one more touchdown and 55 minutes left in the game to get it, and they just didnt get it done.

Adams is one of the best receivers in the sport  
MetsAreBack : 1/23/2022 12:40 am : link
In part because of Rodgers. It’s the age old debate about qbs and WRs making each other look better.

Jones is a good rb.

At this stage most qbs have 3-4 weapons to draw on. Jimmy G had Mitchell, aiyuk Deebo and Kittle. Burrow has Higgins chase mixon Boyd and even uzomah has been a monster this postseason. Allen has 4 weapons. Mahomes has 4 weapons. Stafford has 5 weapons.

There’s no comparison this weekend to supporting casts.
There’s no doubt this weekend he should have beat jimmy G  
MetsAreBack : 1/23/2022 12:41 am : link
A blocked 32 yard field goal and a special teams td against had something to do with the outcome though
I told my buddy  
CV36 : 1/23/2022 12:50 am : link
When they clinched home field they would lose at home. It’s brutal.
Bc  
joeinpa : 1/23/2022 8:00 am : link
Having morning coffee had this exact same thought, checked BBI thinking I might start on thread on this topic.

He is such a big part of why they win, frigid weather, Lambeau in Feb. does diminish his impact

Plus their special teams, you rarely get 2 kicks blocked in a game and win.
They missed Bakhtiari more than they missed Tonyan.  
j_rud : 1/23/2022 8:02 am : link
At least IMO.
if you recall, it was abnormally WARM in GB when the Giants beat  
Victor in CT : 1/23/2022 8:15 am : link
the Rodgers Packers. It was frigid when they beat the Favre Packers
RE: They missed Bakhtiari more than they missed Tonyan.  
Sammo85 : 1/23/2022 8:29 am : link
In comment 15568688 j_rud said:
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At least IMO.


Packers offensive line was horrible this year. They schemed it and used quick throws to make it look better but it was bad. They lost Linsley to FA in March, Elgton Jenkins went down for year early in season, and Bakhtiari missed ton of time this year and frankly he might be done.

They also had nothing at TE besides Tonyan. No blocking help. Lewis is ancient and doesn’t play well anymore.

Rodgers came up small but that offense was running on fumes personnel wise towards end of year as a unit.
Eh…  
trueblueinpw : 1/23/2022 8:37 am : link
It’s still much more difficult for the opposing team. Plus, the field itself is heated and I think that takes some of the disadvantage away. It’s just that the air is cold and the ball is a bit more slick for the offense (pretty sure the Specials balls are kept warm). Rodgers should be better at home and especially at this point in his career.

I will say this - if you play in a dome you’re at a HUGE advantage. There were very interesting and telling stats I read in an article on QB Kurt Warner getting into the HoF - something like he never won a game in the rain and barely won outside - I honestly don’t remember - but something like that. The weather does make a difference - the absence of weather makes a huge difference. Think about Brees too. He hardly ever had to win outside and even when he did it was usually warm weather.

Hey, this is a good time to make the point: Eli won two Supes and had a great HoF career - never missing a start - playing in some of the worst NFL climates and stadiums. Eli - such a great QB - so under valued in so many ways. Greatest Giant of my lifetime.
RE: Eh…  
kinard : 1/23/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15568729 trueblueinpw said:
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It’s still much more difficult for the opposing team. Plus, the field itself is heated and I think that takes some of the disadvantage away. It’s just that the air is cold and the ball is a bit more slick for the offense (pretty sure the Specials balls are kept warm). Rodgers should be better at home and especially at this point in his career.

I will say this - if you play in a dome you’re at a HUGE advantage. There were very interesting and telling stats I read in an article on QB Kurt Warner getting into the HoF - something like he never won a game in the rain and barely won outside - I honestly don’t remember - but something like that. The weather does make a difference - the absence of weather makes a huge difference. Think about Brees too. He hardly ever had to win outside and even when he did it was usually warm weather.

Hey, this is a good time to make the point: Eli won two Supes and had a great HoF career - never missing a start - playing in some of the worst NFL climates and stadiums. Eli - such a great QB - so under valued in so many ways. Greatest Giant of my lifetime.


Totally agree with this.

Also a testament to Tom Brady considering all the shitty New England weather that he played in
RE: There’s no doubt this weekend he should have beat jimmy G  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 10:54 am : link
In comment 15568565 MetsAreBack said:
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A blocked 32 yard field goal and a special teams td against had something to do with the outcome though


Another thing that had something to do with it, Rodgers letting the 49ers hang around.

They only scored 10 points, and he played a terrible second half.
RE: RE: They missed Bakhtiari more than they missed Tonyan.  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15568720 Sammo85 said:
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Rodgers came up small but that offense was running on fumes personnel wise towards end of year as a unit.


Maybe, but Rodgers was making it work. Big time.

Please check out his stats in the last seven games.

Reshuffled Pack Offensive Line  
clatterbuck : 1/23/2022 10:55 am : link
had a really bad game. But maybe DeMeco Ryans' defensive game plan had even more to do with Rodgers ineffectiveness. he looked confused and indecisive.
RE: I think it’s about a lack of surrounding cast  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 10:58 am : link
In comment 15568522 MetsAreBack said:
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Not weather

It’s got to be exhausting for Adams too to have zero talent on the other side year after year after year. And when Robert Tonyan is a massive loss midseason, that’s absurd but it was. Their backup
Dropped a 40 yard catch in his bread basket tonight


Again, check out his stats the last seven games.

And you're really going to point to one dropped pass lol

Didn't Kittle drop a huge pass in the 1st half?

Stupid game to play.

He played below his normal standard, and hence they had a chance to get beat and they did.
WCO's and nasty weather conditions  
JohnF : 1/23/2022 11:55 am : link
are a poor fit, and it shows. Both Favre and Rodgers likely would have done better in a dome or a good weather field based on their offense. The problem is poor design in building the Packers, since you know the team will likely host playoff games in January.

If you look at Eli's teams that went to Green Bay and beat the Packers, they had power running games and down the field passing. That translates well in any weather condition, as long as you have good QB play.
RE: WCO's and nasty weather conditions  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15569053 JohnF said:
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are a poor fit, and it shows. Both Favre and Rodgers likely would have done better in a dome or a good weather field based on their offense. The problem is poor design in building the Packers, since you know the team will likely host playoff games in January.

If you look at Eli's teams that went to Green Bay and beat the Packers, they had power running games and down the field passing. That translates well in any weather condition, as long as you have good QB play.


LOL, so WCO is a bad fit now?

We are reaching for excuses.

The guy came up small.

He got the ball back tied 10-10 and didn't get a first down, gave the ball back, and San Fran DID go down the field to kick a FG.
RE: I think it’s about a lack of surrounding cast  
Section331 : 1/23/2022 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15568522 MetsAreBack said:
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Not weather

It’s got to be exhausting for Adams too to have zero talent on the other side year after year after year. And when Robert Tonyan is a massive loss midseason, that’s absurd but it was. Their backup
Dropped a 40 yard catch in his bread basket tonight


While I don’t agree that there is no talent at WR outside Adams, Tonyan was a massive loss. He would have kept the safety from cheating over to Adams so much.
RE: RE: I think it’s about a lack of surrounding cast  
MetsAreBack : 1/23/2022 11:30 pm : link
In comment 15568926 BillKo said:
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Not weather

It’s got to be exhausting for Adams too to have zero talent on the other side year after year after year. And when Robert Tonyan is a massive loss midseason, that’s absurd but it was. Their backup
Dropped a 40 yard catch in his bread basket tonight



Again, check out his stats the last seven games.

And you're really going to point to one dropped pass lol

Didn't Kittle drop a huge pass in the 1st half?

Stupid game to play.

He played below his normal standard, and hence they had a chance to get beat and they did.


Rodgers had no time to throw all night and put his team in position for 13 points. Yes jimmy had the Kittle drop and put his team in position to score 6 points.

Did I miss something?

Rodgers played well the last 7 weeks against mostly backup qbs and bad teams … this time of year you need weapons and he had two and a bad line while every team playing next weekend has 4-5
RE: RE: RE: I think it’s about a lack of surrounding cast  
BillKo : 1/23/2022 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15571043 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 15568926 BillKo said:


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Not weather

It’s got to be exhausting for Adams too to have zero talent on the other side year after year after year. And when Robert Tonyan is a massive loss midseason, that’s absurd but it was. Their backup
Dropped a 40 yard catch in his bread basket tonight



Again, check out his stats the last seven games.

And you're really going to point to one dropped pass lol

Didn't Kittle drop a huge pass in the 1st half?

Stupid game to play.

He played below his normal standard, and hence they had a chance to get beat and they did.



Rodgers had no time to throw all night and put his team in position for 13 points. Yes jimmy had the Kittle drop and put his team in position to score 6 points.

Did I miss something?

Rodgers played well the last 7 weeks against mostly backup qbs and bad teams … this time of year you need weapons and he had two and a bad line while every team playing next weekend has 4-5


They played the Vikings in Minnesota, Ravens away, and Rams at home. Do you want them to play a good team every week? Check the NFL schedule, it's full of dog games every week.

I guess the final should have been 13-6 then? Oh I get it, Rodgers doesn't play specials. On cue, he was quick to point that out in the presser.



RE: RE: RE: I think it’s about a lack of surrounding cast  
BillKo : 1/24/2022 12:02 am : link
In comment 15571043 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 15568926 BillKo said:


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Not weather

It’s got to be exhausting for Adams too to have zero talent on the other side year after year after year. And when Robert Tonyan is a massive loss midseason, that’s absurd but it was. Their backup
Dropped a 40 yard catch in his bread basket tonight



Again, check out his stats the last seven games.

And you're really going to point to one dropped pass lol

Didn't Kittle drop a huge pass in the 1st half?

Stupid game to play.

He played below his normal standard, and hence they had a chance to get beat and they did.



Rodgers had no time to throw all night and put his team in position for 13 points. Yes jimmy had the Kittle drop and put his team in position to score 6 points.

Did I miss something?

Rodgers played well the last 7 weeks against mostly backup qbs and bad teams … this time of year you need weapons and he had two and a bad line while every team playing next weekend has 4-5


BTW, Brady put up 20 facing the same situation........
He's not as good as Brady  
MetsAreBack : 1/24/2022 4:49 pm : link
No one is.

Thanks for pointing that out
RE: He's not as good as Brady  
Giantfan in skinland : 1/24/2022 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15572539 MetsAreBack said:
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No one is.

Thanks for pointing that out


Frankly, I disagree. I think he's better than Brady. When they played head to head last year in the conference championship game, Rodgers threw for 346 yards and 3tds to 1 INT. Brady threw for 280 yards 3tds and 3int. Brady played about as poor a 2nd half as you can ask for and yet still came away with the W. Anybody who watched should have seen who the better QB was (against the better defense too, btw). And yet, in the history books that game goes down as evidence of Brady's superiority in big games. It's why comparisons of the great QBs are so flawed (and frankly, QB analysis in general).

Every QB is dependent on their teammates to do their jobs in big moments. It's nonsense to use special teams gaffes as some kind of evidence that Rodgers isn't "clutch". Brady's last Superbowl win with the Pats was a 13-3 victory over the Rams in which he threw for 260 yards, 0 TDs and an INT. Similar stats to Rodgers' game this week except Rodgers never turned it over despite being sacked 5 times.

It's a team game with team outcomes. Wins matter for Qbs, but so does context .
Is anyone going to talk about the special teams or no?  
UConn4523 : 1/24/2022 6:36 pm : link
because expecting Rodgers to do everything is really weird. Tom Brady isn’t even in the game on Sunday if those random turnovers that he had nothing to do with don’t happen (the snap over Staffords head, and the goal line fumble).

Green Bay put up a historically bad ST performance in terrible weather and you’ve got a game that favors the team that runs well. Green Bay was winning the entire game until ST gave it away, a game where they had the lead for 50 minutes.
RE: Is anyone going to talk about the special teams or no?  
BillKo : 1/24/2022 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15572768 UConn4523 said:
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because expecting Rodgers to do everything is really weird. Tom Brady isn’t even in the game on Sunday if those random turnovers that he had nothing to do with don’t happen (the snap over Staffords head, and the goal line fumble).

Green Bay put up a historically bad ST performance in terrible weather and you’ve got a game that favors the team that runs well. Green Bay was winning the entire game until ST gave it away, a game where they had the lead for 50 minutes.


Special teams was huge in the game.

Again, the best player in the league - arguably - is expected to play better. He did not. And San Fran hung around.

It happens.

But let's stop making excuses his surrounding cast is to blame.

The thing that makes AR great is the plays he's able to make. Didn't happen Saturday.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2022 7:24 pm : link
Nothing to add except that I'm over the moon Rodgers lost.
RE: RE: Is anyone going to talk about the special teams or no?  
UConn4523 : 1/24/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15572805 BillKo said:
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because expecting Rodgers to do everything is really weird. Tom Brady isn’t even in the game on Sunday if those random turnovers that he had nothing to do with don’t happen (the snap over Staffords head, and the goal line fumble).

Green Bay put up a historically bad ST performance in terrible weather and you’ve got a game that favors the team that runs well. Green Bay was winning the entire game until ST gave it away, a game where they had the lead for 50 minutes.



Special teams was huge in the game.

Again, the best player in the league - arguably - is expected to play better. He did not. And San Fran hung around.

It happens.

But let's stop making excuses his surrounding cast is to blame.

The thing that makes AR great is the plays he's able to make. Didn't happen Saturday.


For sure, I just think there’s more to the convo. I get people really want to point out Rodgers failures, but it’s agenda driven to an extent. The STs is about as bad as it can possibly be. In a game where no one is scoring, it’s a massive factor.

Other QBs, even top tier QBs get plenty of “excuses”. Gotta be fair when asseing what happened Saturday.
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