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Bleedblue10 : 1/23/2022 9:11 am
but watching Jeffrey Simmons last night just upset me. I know he was hurt the year he was drafted but he looks like hes on another planet compared to Dexter Lawrence(who isnt a bad player but still) How is it possible DG got all of these picks wrong? I mean other than a handful of guys he missed on everyone. I say this because its obviously a position he focuses a lot of his energy on. His dirty fingerprints are going to take some time to clean off this organization
Dexter Lawrence  
cjac : 1/23/2022 9:12 am : link
Is one of the best draft picks in the last 5 years
Lawrence was the right pick imo at the time  
George from PA : 1/23/2022 9:13 am : link
His development has been disappointing.....
RE: Dexter Lawrence  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2022 9:14 am : link
In comment 15568771 cjac said:
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Is one of the best draft picks in the last 5 years

That says more about the last 5 years than it does about Dex.
Gettleman’s tenure ranks as one of the worst ALL TIME  
Ben in Tampa : 1/23/2022 9:14 am : link
not just with the Giants.

It’s amazing he hit on any pick.
RE: Dexter Lawrence  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/23/2022 9:19 am : link
In comment 15568771 cjac said:
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Is one of the best draft picks in the last 5 years


Damning to say the least.
Not only was he hurt  
jeff57 : 1/23/2022 9:20 am : link
But he had some off the field issues as I recall.
RE: RE: Dexter Lawrence  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2022 9:21 am : link
In comment 15568776 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15568771 cjac said:


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Is one of the best draft picks in the last 5 years


That says more about the last 5 years than it does about Dex.


+1.
Yeah man  
BigBlueShock : 1/23/2022 9:23 am : link
I’m not sure how he was able to single handedly penetrate that fortress that is the Bengals OL. It was stuff of legend.

Gettleman is gone. Sifting through every single game and lamenting not drafting every single random player that makes a play is a complete waste of time and energy. It’s exhausting. Gettleman was a dumpster fire. We all know this. But every player in the history of league was drafted by only one team, meaning you can say all the other teams passed on them as well, apparently. Give it a rest already.
RE: Not only was he hurt  
japanhead : 1/23/2022 9:24 am : link
In comment 15568789 jeff57 said:
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But he had some off the field issues as I recall.


john mara is on record saying the only time he overrides a GM/HC decision is if there is a "character issue." so who knows if gettleman wanted him but was shot down. i imagine john mara intervenes in the roster a lot more than he let on in that zoom call where reporters got to ask one question each.
RE: Lawrence was the right pick imo at the time  
Eman11 : 1/23/2022 9:29 am : link
In comment 15568775 George from PA said:
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His development has been disappointing.....


I think this is exactly right. At the time, I honestly thought he was a great pick but now with his lack of development it seems more like a decent but not great pick.

Still has a chance to improve though and hopefully the new staff can get him there.
 
ryanmkeane : 1/23/2022 9:34 am : link
Simmons is on a whole other level compared to Lawrence. If not for his knee injury he was probably a top 5-6 pick. He tore his ACL like right before the draft while he was training. That could be a reason a lot of teams passed on him. He was also charged with simple assault in 2016 for hitting a woman. Also another major red flag.
Simmons  
AndyB : 1/23/2022 9:41 am : link
If the Titans were so smart in drafting Jeffery Simmons in 2019 then how were the same people so dumb in drafting Isaiah Wilson in the first round in 2020?

Wilson played one game for Tennessee- a grand total of four snaps.

Draft picks are overvalued. They're just educated guesses. Nobody knows.
Isnt Simmons the one they said  
eli4life : 1/23/2022 9:54 am : link
Had a cater year this year but until then not so much?
RE: Simmons  
Angel Eyes : 1/23/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15568828 AndyB said:
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If the Titans were so smart in drafting Jeffery Simmons in 2019 then how were the same people so dumb in drafting Isaiah Wilson in the first round in 2020?

Wilson played one game for Tennessee- a grand total of four snaps.

Draft picks are overvalued. They're just educated guesses. Nobody knows.

So you'd prefer to build up a team via free agency? How well has that turned out for the Giants?
RE: RE: Simmons  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15568849 Angel Eyes said:
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If the Titans were so smart in drafting Jeffery Simmons in 2019 then how were the same people so dumb in drafting Isaiah Wilson in the first round in 2020?

Wilson played one game for Tennessee- a grand total of four snaps.

Draft picks are overvalued. They're just educated guesses. Nobody knows.


So you'd prefer to build up a team via free agency? How well has that turned out for the Giants?

You have to be able to do both.

The average NFL career is ~3 years, slightly above. Let's call it 4 to be generous. The average number of draft picks per team each year is 8.

The math there is pretty simple - you're going to have ~32 guys on your roster who are original draft picks on their rookie contract. You're going to need to assemble the other 21 spots and the practice squad from somewhere.

Some of those additional 21 will be guys who are on their second contract with you (and to be fair, the number is higher than 21 because some of the 32 will flame out before their rookie contract ends). Some will be UDFA that you supplemented your draft classes with along the way. And some will have to be veteran free agents that you identify as useful pieces for your roster.

The problem for the Giants is that they've been shopping in the premium aisle for free agents, and you do want to assemble the foundational pieces and stars from the draft if possible, and let FA be where you round out your depth chart.

But FA can't be ignored. You're always going to need to use FA to fill your roster properly.
Some potential good Giants draft picks..  
BamaBlue : 1/23/2022 10:26 am : link
have been unable to overcome horrible coaching.
Dexter Lawrence  
M.S. : 1/23/2022 10:33 am : link

disappears in games.

Why?

Stamina?

Motivation?

Something else?


DG is trash  
LoveFootball : 1/23/2022 11:21 am : link
And it will be talked about for decades around here. He was that bad. It proves one thing and one thing only......anyone can work in the NFL. Absolutely anyone. Key is the connection.

Absolutely magical times!
RE: Lawrence was the right pick imo at the time  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/23/2022 11:30 am : link
In comment 15568775 George from PA said:
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His development has been disappointing.....


The Giants didn't need yet another DT. They should have taken Montez Sweat IMO.
RE: RE: RE: Simmons  
ColHowPepper : 1/23/2022 11:52 am : link
In comment 15568861 Gatorade Dunk said:
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The problem for the Giants is that they've been shopping in the premium aisle for free agents, and you do want to assemble the foundational pieces and stars from the draft if possible, and let FA be where you round out your depth chart.
And because their drafting has been so poor for so long, they had no choice--and had to overpay. That same keen eye for talent screws the pooch both ways.
a defense has 11 players.......  
thrunthrublue : 1/23/2022 11:56 am : link
For the giants, they are an orchestra with 6 decent players, and 5 that are completely out of tune on defense, and for the Offense the most important component, the O line were, as a group, putrid and that is being kind to them......the result was not pleasing. So happy they swept out the GM & HC!
RE: Dexter Lawrence  
Festina Lente : 1/23/2022 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15568771 cjac said:
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Is one of the best draft picks in the last 5 years

Hahahaha!
Man i must be watching a different game
RE: Dexter Lawrence  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2022 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15568894 M.S. said:
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disappears in games.

Why?

Stamina?

Motivation?

Something else?


Maybe his natural ability isn't quite what the PED version of Dex was in college?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Simmons  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15569047 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15568861 Gatorade Dunk said:


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The problem for the Giants is that they've been shopping in the premium aisle for free agents, and you do want to assemble the foundational pieces and stars from the draft if possible, and let FA be where you round out your depth chart.

And because their drafting has been so poor for so long, they had no choice--and had to overpay. That same keen eye for talent screws the pooch both ways.

Fair, but you don't NEED to overpay. Players are worth what they're worth. If you're drafting so poorly that you're shopping hungry in FA, then you should lose your job as a GM.
RE: RE: Not only was he hurt  
Mayo2JZ : 1/23/2022 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15568797 japanhead said:
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But he had some off the field issues as I recall.



john mara is on record saying the only time he overrides a GM/HC decision is if there is a "character issue." so who knows if Gettleman wanted him but was shot down. i imagine john mara intervenes in the roster a lot more than he let on in that zoom call where reporters got to ask one question each.


That "character issue" with the Cowboys is all pro this year as a rookie
RE: RE: Dexter Lawrence  
Angel Eyes : 1/23/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15569071 Festina Lente said:
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In comment 15568771 cjac said:


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Is one of the best draft picks in the last 5 years


Hahahaha!
Man i must be watching a different game

Or it speaks volumes about how bad the Giants' drafts have been.
RE: Yeah man  
mitch300 : 1/23/2022 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15568795 BigBlueShock said:
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I’m not sure how he was able to single handedly penetrate that fortress that is the Bengals OL. It was stuff of legend.

Gettleman is gone. Sifting through every single game and lamenting not drafting every single random player that makes a play is a complete waste of time and energy. It’s exhausting. Gettleman was a dumpster fire. We all know this. But every player in the history of league was drafted by only one team, meaning you can say all the other teams passed on them as well, apparently. Give it a rest already.

Come on. Seriously. Making sense does not belong on BBI.
Simmons has an interior DL skillset  
AcesUp : 1/23/2022 1:33 pm : link
that warrants a high draft selection while Lawrence does not. I know there was talk of Dex developing into that but seemed lofty at the time. We got what we drafted and it's one of the reasons Dave is gone.
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