You mean like intimating at this being a draft to pick a QB and never naming the QB we should take at 5?
This is the topic you are raising right now? Just beautiful.
As more information is collected from workouts, Combine, etc I'll be more than glad to oblige.
In the meantime, enjoy the safety of the BBI mainstream.
Lmao. Sorry I don't paint myself as smarter than the people doing the actual jobs of running football teams. I guess that makes me safe in the BBI mainstream...
Next year they need to make sure thye have home field advantage, I think the crowd gets them over the finish line if that game was in Buffalo.
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ITA. Trying to win in Arrowhead the way they play is damn near impossible. They didn’t do it tonight despite Gabriel Davis being left open repeatedly and the KC kicker crapping his pants. They need this game at home next year.
saying " He played his nuts off" referring to Allen
He said “ass” and probably won’t get any grief over it, but who knows. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear he got fined. Not that he should, I just wouldn’t be surprised if he did.
McDermott and his defensive coordinator cost the Bills a shot at a title. I'd have zero faith in either one if I was the bills organization ever again. It won't happen, but I would fire him now. I know it seems crazy, but he wont ever recover from this loss and get them to a Super Bowl. You dont recover from losses that bad.
Big difference between trying to recover from a devastating loss with mid 20s Josh Allen as opposed to a 30+ year old recovering alcoholic like Fassel had to. The Bills will be fine. They need more talent on the d line though. They’ll have their best defensive player back next season too.
You would think they would get a title with Allen, but nothing is guaranteed. We all thought Rodgers would have been back for multiple titles after his 1st, he hasn't played in a Super Bowl since never mind won one.
I wouldn't want McDermott around any longer if I were a Bills fan. His coaching was atrocious today. His decision to punt on 4th and 2 feet in the 3rd quarter was horrendous. He was ultra aggressive early on going for it, then went conservative and punted and he got the ball back 2 minutes later down by 9 when he punted down 3.
The coverage htey called with 13 seconds and then 8 seconds was laugh out loud bad. Romo was absolutely right, rushing 4 there was pointless. All that did was take more guys out of the picture who could have been in coverage. Mahomes was never holding on to the ball more than 1 or 2 seconds so the pass rush was pointless.
On the first down play they literally had 4 guys straight across 15 yards off the ball. Made the pass to Hill so easy and allowed him to get 15 yards without being touched and able to get down immediately.
If McDermott's goal was to screw up the coverage on those plays he couldn't have done it any better. That he called timeout before both plays makes it even worse.
They defended the sideliens for no reason. Newsflash the Chiefs have 3 timeouts and aren't even thinking about the sidelines. The defense on the Kelce catch with 8 seconds was the worst i've ever seen. The defender on him had outside leverage so he was giving him the seam wide open. Take inside leverage and make him run a 10 yard out. Instead he's allowed a free release right up the seam and can catch it on the run heading for the endzone.
likely wouldnt listen but I'd call them and try to get Tomlin. I'd trade multiple picks if I had to. Coaching is the Bills biggest issue.
The Bills were 0-5 in 1 score games this year. Every win they had was at least a 2 score game. That says a lot about their head coach. When he had to get out of close games alive, he couldn't do it.
Their wins were all blowouts. Closest win was a 12 point win over New England in Foxboro.
I couldn't be more down on McDermott and Frazier. They had a highly ranked defense but they never got stops that they needed to win games. They lost every close game.
Maybe we shouldnt have been surprised by how badly McDermott fucked the end of game situation up. They did a good job all year of finding ways to lose close games.
The Bills defense was gassed when Hill shot down the field and scored. Their secondary was running in cement when Kelce broke to the middle of the field and made the uncontested first down.
The Bills defense was gassed when Hill shot down the field and scored. Their secondary was running in cement when Kelce broke to the middle of the field and made the uncontested first down.
They were definitely tired, but their alignment was just a mind numbing coverage to play in that spot. They gave them free access to an easy 20 yards without even getting a ahnd on either guy
The Bills defense was gassed when Hill shot down the field and scored. Their secondary was running in cement when Kelce broke to the middle of the field and made the uncontested first down.
The salt on the wound for the Bills D was having to come right back on the field after giving up the game-tying FG.
I was a little behind on TiVo delay. What the fuck was the Bills game plan? On offense it seemed like running Josh Allen until they were forced to let him throw the ball. Where was Diggs? And on defense, holy smokes, was the plan to let Mahomes throw the ball?
Big Red’s crew of talented scumbags was the better team. But the Bills coaching was terrible.
And speaking of terrible, who told Romo it was a good idea to write on the screen before the snap? Tony Romo was the only thing in Arrowhead more pathetic than the Bills coaching staff.
I was a little behind on TiVo delay. What the fuck was the Bills game plan? On offense it seemed like running Josh Allen until they were forced to let him throw the ball. Where was Diggs?
This was sort of my point - made better here - on the other thread about Daboll on the other thread.
I feel like Allen bailed him out at the end of that game when they took their first lead.
These may be the 2 best teams in the NFL right now with the 2 best QBs. People criticizing the D is way off. Both QBs went up and down the field. I know its tough to recognize great QB play from where we have been the last few years but this is what happens in games like this.
+1. Exactly this.
That QB-play was absolutely captivating, mesmerizing, inspiring, exhilarating, all the superlatives.
Everyone is just criticizing the Defenses talking about “guys are running around wide open!” It looks like that because the QBs exhibited absolutely elite timing, vision, and decision-making, not to mention these are 2 of the top 3 “arm talents” in the entire league along with Rodgers.
If you watch the all-22 of any given game, you’ll see on a lot of plays there are guys wide open for a split second on a lot of plays, but when a guy is open in the NFL oftentimes he isn’t open for long and if the QB doesn’t see it AND anticipate it the play just doesn’t happen. It’s the football-IQ, vision, timing, and anticipation that made it simply look EASY for those 2 QBs tonight.
Throw in the fact these guys have maybe the 2 strongest arms in the entire NFL and the ball was just simply was getting to the open men in milliseconds. They can make a 35 yard throw look like 10 yard slant pass without even setting their feet— just insanely difficult to cover that much field for a secondary.
Also remember guys like Kelce and Hill are flat great athletes and players— they’re just tough to cover— you also can’t double both guys on the same play and Mahomes/Reid know that. Hardman can take the top off of any D too so it just becomes really difficult to stop.
As Romo said on the TD to Hill it’s nearly impossible to win on an in-breaking route against that particularly coverage but the Chiefs said fuck it let’s try it anyway because with Hill’s speed combined with Mahomes’ talent they can make it work. On that camera angle from behind Mahomes on that one you could really see how elite his timing, anticipation, and accuracy is— with pressure in his face no less— and the flat out trust in Hill to know he’s gonna win on that route against that coverage. Wow.
Also: Technically Kelce was covered on that play at the end of regulation but Reid/Mahomes/Kelce knew exactly what defense the Bills were playing and Kelce is probably the best TE in the league at flat-out knowing how the hell to get open.
Kicking the touchback was probably dumb as hell (especially with the ball coming out to the 25 instead of the 20 now) but once Mahomes had 2 plays to just get 35-40 yards (with 3 timeouts + Butker’s leg) I knew there was a chance: It’s just tough to cover the entire field against these guys— especially because in that situation the Chiefs know exactly what the Bills are doing— not like they’re gonna run some well-disguised complicated blitz + coverage there, they’re gonna rush 3 or 4 and play some basic prevent-type zone. That’s a big reason why you see teams go up and down the field easier in those 2-min situations: because defenses get conservative and more predictable there— it’s humans nature; they have the lead with 13 seconds left, they’re not gonna be risky/aggressive asking their guys to try some innovative disguised coverage, because if they screw it up it could be a TD. So you give Mahomes/Reid a predictable/conservative look with those skills players and the whole field to work with and suddenly a couple 20 yard chunk plays doesn’t seem all that inconceivable IMO. With any other team yeah definitely, but not the Chiefs.
These are 2 of the best Ds in the league (the Bills all season and the Chiefs the 2nd half of the season). Think the fact Mahomes and Allen are playing at levels right now perhaps never before known to man has anything to do with the defenses looking pedestrian?
Chiefs also lost Mathieu + a starting corner so I also give them an excuse there, but on the other side of the ball i think we just have to give Mahomes & Reid credit— they’re both offensive geniuses and Mahomes seems to have a literal Live visual map of the entire field and every player on it in his head at all times, plus he can throw anywhere from any angle. Mahomes has been the starter for 4 years and 4 straight years the AFCCG has been at Arrowhead. Longest consecutive stretch ever of hosting a Conference Championship. And I think they’re evolving and getting better and better. It’s scary as hell.
AFC is stacked with young QB talent though so it’s not gonna be an easy road each year for them, but I still think Reid/Mahomes are BOTH the current bests at what they do, and that sets up for an extremely tough out every single year for the next decade or so. They’re going to be one of those teams for a long ass time that it just doesn’t matter what peaks and valleys they face each regular season— if they get in “the tournament” they’ll have a solid chance to win it all.
I do think the D’s were simply tired by OT— whichever team got the ball first was winning. Does kind of make you want both teams to get the ball at least once. I don’t see why you can’t just play going back and forth until one team scores more points on their possession than they other team (like college football but not starting at the 25. I would like those rules even if they’re just for the playoffs.
Also along these lines: I really think the regular season OT has to be out back to being 15 minutes. I do not see why it is 10 minutes— for what purpose? The reason I say this is because I’ve gotten frustrated several times the last couple years seeing the team that gets the first possession take 8 minutes off the clock, kick a FG, and then the other team gets the ball and can’t run their normal offense: they have to run a 2 minute drill just to get in FG range to make the game end in a TIE. Just seems stupid.
likely wouldnt listen but I'd call them and try to get Tomlin. I'd trade multiple picks if I had to. Coaching is the Bills biggest issue.
The Bills were 0-5 in 1 score games this year. Every win they had was at least a 2 score game. That says a lot about their head coach. When he had to get out of close games alive, he couldn't do it.
Their wins were all blowouts. Closest win was a 12 point win over New England in Foxboro.
I couldn't be more down on McDermott and Frazier. They had a highly ranked defense but they never got stops that they needed to win games. They lost every close game.
Maybe we shouldnt have been surprised by how badly McDermott fucked the end of game situation up. They did a good job all year of finding ways to lose close games.
While true, go back and look at Jags game and home game vs Steelers. The bills offense shit the bed in both those games. How about we just realize that was one crazy ass, fun, amazing game that KC ended up winning. If that game were played in Buffalo the Bills would have won..
Mahomes movement in the pocket last night avoiding pressure
I do think the D’s were simply tired by OT— whichever team got the ball first was winning. Does kind of make you want both teams to get the ball at least once. I don’t see why you can’t just play going back and forth until one team scores more points on their possession than they other team (like college football but not starting at the 25. I would like those rules even if they’re just for the playoffs.
Also along these lines: I really think the regular season OT has to be out back to being 15 minutes. I do not see why it is 10 minutes— for what purpose? The reason I say this is because I’ve gotten frustrated several times the last couple years seeing the team that gets the first possession take 8 minutes off the clock, kick a FG, and then the other team gets the ball and can’t run their normal offense: they have to run a 2 minute drill just to get in FG range to make the game end in a TIE. Just seems stupid.
It’s 10 minutes in the regular season because the NFL wants to limit the chance of injuries to fatigued players.
was out of this world. Bills D put alot of pressure on Mahomes but he was a Houdini escaping the pressure.
Last night was the best game I have seen in years by 2 great young QB's.
I thought that there were significant periods of the game that the Bills offense went to conservative.
I saw it the same way. Bills were getting pressure and Mahomes is so strong he was breaking arm grabs and either would take yards down the field running or wait till someone broke open. I think the Bills were actually covering well for the most part but impossible to hold coverage when things break down.
Just two QB's who are both very big and strong who kept their poise and had the athletic ability to maneuver in the pocket.
You mean like intimating at this being a draft to pick a QB and never naming the QB we should take at 5?
This is the topic you are raising right now? Just beautiful.
As more information is collected from workouts, Combine, etc I'll be more than glad to oblige.
In the meantime, enjoy the safety of the BBI mainstream.
You’re assuming KC fields the kick cleanly.
That’s a pretty big assumption with a football scooting along the ground.
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You mean like intimating at this being a draft to pick a QB and never naming the QB we should take at 5?
This is the topic you are raising right now? Just beautiful.
As more information is collected from workouts, Combine, etc I'll be more than glad to oblige.
In the meantime, enjoy the safety of the BBI mainstream.
Lmao. Sorry I don't paint myself as smarter than the people doing the actual jobs of running football teams. I guess that makes me safe in the BBI mainstream...
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ITA. Trying to win in Arrowhead the way they play is damn near impossible. They didn’t do it tonight despite Gabriel Davis being left open repeatedly and the KC kicker crapping his pants. They need this game at home next year.
Was to beg for Mahomes to be drafted here.
Giants didn't listen, then Andy Reid on Draft Day leap-frogged everybody and took him.
THIRTEEN seconds, with game on the line, that's Johnny Unitas reincarnated !
He said “ass” and probably won’t get any grief over it, but who knows. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear he got fined. Not that he should, I just wouldn’t be surprised if he did.
Bryant kicks a long squib that goes out of bounds at the one yard line.
Cowboys start at the 40, get in tying FG range with one throw, win in OT.
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I was also thinking of that game.
Both walked off the field with "chonie" full of crap in their pants.
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never recovered from the Super Bowl.
Fassel never recovered from the 49ers debacle.
McDermott and his defensive coordinator cost the Bills a shot at a title. I'd have zero faith in either one if I was the bills organization ever again. It won't happen, but I would fire him now. I know it seems crazy, but he wont ever recover from this loss and get them to a Super Bowl. You dont recover from losses that bad.
Big difference between trying to recover from a devastating loss with mid 20s Josh Allen as opposed to a 30+ year old recovering alcoholic like Fassel had to. The Bills will be fine. They need more talent on the d line though. They’ll have their best defensive player back next season too.
You would think they would get a title with Allen, but nothing is guaranteed. We all thought Rodgers would have been back for multiple titles after his 1st, he hasn't played in a Super Bowl since never mind won one.
I wouldn't want McDermott around any longer if I were a Bills fan. His coaching was atrocious today. His decision to punt on 4th and 2 feet in the 3rd quarter was horrendous. He was ultra aggressive early on going for it, then went conservative and punted and he got the ball back 2 minutes later down by 9 when he punted down 3.
The coverage htey called with 13 seconds and then 8 seconds was laugh out loud bad. Romo was absolutely right, rushing 4 there was pointless. All that did was take more guys out of the picture who could have been in coverage. Mahomes was never holding on to the ball more than 1 or 2 seconds so the pass rush was pointless.
On the first down play they literally had 4 guys straight across 15 yards off the ball. Made the pass to Hill so easy and allowed him to get 15 yards without being touched and able to get down immediately.
If McDermott's goal was to screw up the coverage on those plays he couldn't have done it any better. That he called timeout before both plays makes it even worse.
They defended the sideliens for no reason. Newsflash the Chiefs have 3 timeouts and aren't even thinking about the sidelines. The defense on the Kelce catch with 8 seconds was the worst i've ever seen. The defender on him had outside leverage so he was giving him the seam wide open. Take inside leverage and make him run a 10 yard out. Instead he's allowed a free release right up the seam and can catch it on the run heading for the endzone.
The Bills were 0-5 in 1 score games this year. Every win they had was at least a 2 score game. That says a lot about their head coach. When he had to get out of close games alive, he couldn't do it.
Their wins were all blowouts. Closest win was a 12 point win over New England in Foxboro.
I couldn't be more down on McDermott and Frazier. They had a highly ranked defense but they never got stops that they needed to win games. They lost every close game.
Maybe we shouldnt have been surprised by how badly McDermott fucked the end of game situation up. They did a good job all year of finding ways to lose close games.
The Bills' defense was gassed.
Their coaching staff threw them onto the chopping block, then Mahomes sliced them into slivers.
Vince Lombardi said it best - "Fatigue makes cowards of us all"
The Bills' defense was gassed.
Their coaching staff threw them onto the chopping block, then Mahomes sliced them into slivers.
Vince Lombardi said it best - "Fatigue makes cowards of us all"
Their defense being gassed had nothing to do with what happened with 13 seconds to go.
The coverages they chose to play and not kicking the ball to the 5 yard line or squibbing it is what cost them.
McDermott just doesn't have it as a coach. In close games he always gets out coached.
They were definitely tired, but their alignment was just a mind numbing coverage to play in that spot. They gave them free access to an easy 20 yards without even getting a ahnd on either guy
But at the end, I saw broken tackles and Chiefs receivers blowing by Bills defenders like they were stuck in cement. that was more than bad scheming.
The salt on the wound for the Bills D was having to come right back on the field after giving up the game-tying FG.
That was a very demoralizing transition.
I think it was clear whoever won that toss was going to win the game. The OT rules need to ensure both teams get the ball at least once.
Big Red’s crew of talented scumbags was the better team. But the Bills coaching was terrible.
And speaking of terrible, who told Romo it was a good idea to write on the screen before the snap? Tony Romo was the only thing in Arrowhead more pathetic than the Bills coaching staff.
This was sort of my point - made better here - on the other thread about Daboll on the other thread.
I feel like Allen bailed him out at the end of that game when they took their first lead.
+1. Exactly this.
That QB-play was absolutely captivating, mesmerizing, inspiring, exhilarating, all the superlatives.
Everyone is just criticizing the Defenses talking about “guys are running around wide open!” It looks like that because the QBs exhibited absolutely elite timing, vision, and decision-making, not to mention these are 2 of the top 3 “arm talents” in the entire league along with Rodgers.
If you watch the all-22 of any given game, you’ll see on a lot of plays there are guys wide open for a split second on a lot of plays, but when a guy is open in the NFL oftentimes he isn’t open for long and if the QB doesn’t see it AND anticipate it the play just doesn’t happen. It’s the football-IQ, vision, timing, and anticipation that made it simply look EASY for those 2 QBs tonight.
Throw in the fact these guys have maybe the 2 strongest arms in the entire NFL and the ball was just simply was getting to the open men in milliseconds. They can make a 35 yard throw look like 10 yard slant pass without even setting their feet— just insanely difficult to cover that much field for a secondary.
Also remember guys like Kelce and Hill are flat great athletes and players— they’re just tough to cover— you also can’t double both guys on the same play and Mahomes/Reid know that. Hardman can take the top off of any D too so it just becomes really difficult to stop.
As Romo said on the TD to Hill it’s nearly impossible to win on an in-breaking route against that particularly coverage but the Chiefs said fuck it let’s try it anyway because with Hill’s speed combined with Mahomes’ talent they can make it work. On that camera angle from behind Mahomes on that one you could really see how elite his timing, anticipation, and accuracy is— with pressure in his face no less— and the flat out trust in Hill to know he’s gonna win on that route against that coverage. Wow.
Also: Technically Kelce was covered on that play at the end of regulation but Reid/Mahomes/Kelce knew exactly what defense the Bills were playing and Kelce is probably the best TE in the league at flat-out knowing how the hell to get open.
Kicking the touchback was probably dumb as hell (especially with the ball coming out to the 25 instead of the 20 now) but once Mahomes had 2 plays to just get 35-40 yards (with 3 timeouts + Butker’s leg) I knew there was a chance: It’s just tough to cover the entire field against these guys— especially because in that situation the Chiefs know exactly what the Bills are doing— not like they’re gonna run some well-disguised complicated blitz + coverage there, they’re gonna rush 3 or 4 and play some basic prevent-type zone. That’s a big reason why you see teams go up and down the field easier in those 2-min situations: because defenses get conservative and more predictable there— it’s humans nature; they have the lead with 13 seconds left, they’re not gonna be risky/aggressive asking their guys to try some innovative disguised coverage, because if they screw it up it could be a TD. So you give Mahomes/Reid a predictable/conservative look with those skills players and the whole field to work with and suddenly a couple 20 yard chunk plays doesn’t seem all that inconceivable IMO. With any other team yeah definitely, but not the Chiefs.
These are 2 of the best Ds in the league (the Bills all season and the Chiefs the 2nd half of the season). Think the fact Mahomes and Allen are playing at levels right now perhaps never before known to man has anything to do with the defenses looking pedestrian?
Chiefs also lost Mathieu + a starting corner so I also give them an excuse there, but on the other side of the ball i think we just have to give Mahomes & Reid credit— they’re both offensive geniuses and Mahomes seems to have a literal Live visual map of the entire field and every player on it in his head at all times, plus he can throw anywhere from any angle. Mahomes has been the starter for 4 years and 4 straight years the AFCCG has been at Arrowhead. Longest consecutive stretch ever of hosting a Conference Championship. And I think they’re evolving and getting better and better. It’s scary as hell.
AFC is stacked with young QB talent though so it’s not gonna be an easy road each year for them, but I still think Reid/Mahomes are BOTH the current bests at what they do, and that sets up for an extremely tough out every single year for the next decade or so. They’re going to be one of those teams for a long ass time that it just doesn’t matter what peaks and valleys they face each regular season— if they get in “the tournament” they’ll have a solid chance to win it all.
Also along these lines: I really think the regular season OT has to be out back to being 15 minutes. I do not see why it is 10 minutes— for what purpose? The reason I say this is because I’ve gotten frustrated several times the last couple years seeing the team that gets the first possession take 8 minutes off the clock, kick a FG, and then the other team gets the ball and can’t run their normal offense: they have to run a 2 minute drill just to get in FG range to make the game end in a TIE. Just seems stupid.
The Bills were 0-5 in 1 score games this year. Every win they had was at least a 2 score game. That says a lot about their head coach. When he had to get out of close games alive, he couldn't do it.
Their wins were all blowouts. Closest win was a 12 point win over New England in Foxboro.
I couldn't be more down on McDermott and Frazier. They had a highly ranked defense but they never got stops that they needed to win games. They lost every close game.
Maybe we shouldnt have been surprised by how badly McDermott fucked the end of game situation up. They did a good job all year of finding ways to lose close games.
While true, go back and look at Jags game and home game vs Steelers. The bills offense shit the bed in both those games. How about we just realize that was one crazy ass, fun, amazing game that KC ended up winning. If that game were played in Buffalo the Bills would have won..
Last night was the best game I have seen in years by 2 great young QB's.
I thought that there were significant periods of the game that the Bills offense went to conservative.
Also along these lines: I really think the regular season OT has to be out back to being 15 minutes. I do not see why it is 10 minutes— for what purpose? The reason I say this is because I’ve gotten frustrated several times the last couple years seeing the team that gets the first possession take 8 minutes off the clock, kick a FG, and then the other team gets the ball and can’t run their normal offense: they have to run a 2 minute drill just to get in FG range to make the game end in a TIE. Just seems stupid.
It’s 10 minutes in the regular season because the NFL wants to limit the chance of injuries to fatigued players.
This is why QB win-loss records are garbage. Josh Allen had an A+++ effort in that game.
This is why QB win-loss records are garbage. Josh Allen had an A+++ effort in that game.
Thanks Jordan.
Do people actually think Allen didn’t play well? Had to tweet something I guess, lol.
kick the ball on the ground and force the other team to field it.
Is that so hard to do?
Last night was the best game I have seen in years by 2 great young QB's.
I thought that there were significant periods of the game that the Bills offense went to conservative.
I saw it the same way. Bills were getting pressure and Mahomes is so strong he was breaking arm grabs and either would take yards down the field running or wait till someone broke open. I think the Bills were actually covering well for the most part but impossible to hold coverage when things break down.
Just two QB's who are both very big and strong who kept their poise and had the athletic ability to maneuver in the pocket.