He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
All over again. Yes we can win with an above average QB that doesn’t do any one thing exceptionally well but has a combination of average to above average skill set. That’s who Pickett is for me. The arm is above average, the pocket awareness is above average, the scrambling ability is above average (fake slide was sickest play ever) but hes not going to cut on a dime LJ style. When comparing him to a guy like Malik Willis, Willis has the much higher ceiling. Willis has the most elite level traits in this class and it’s not even close.
He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Burrow’s season the year before his draft year was FAR better than anything Pickett had in his 4 years prior to this year and Burrow only got better in his draft year. Burrow also was a more highly rated recruit who was only doing mop up duty for two years at Ohio State. In other words, despite being a full time starter for the first time since 3 years prior he posted far better numbers than Pickett did in his 4th year as a full time college starter.
He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Burrow’s season the year before his draft year was FAR better than anything Pickett had in his 4 years prior to this year and Burrow only got better in his draft year. Burrow also was a more highly rated recruit who was only doing mop up duty for two years at Ohio State. In other words, despite being a full time starter for the first time since 3 years prior he posted far better numbers than Pickett did in his 4th year as a full time college starter.
Burrow also passed the eye test..you could see he just had “it” ..dont see that with pickett
He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Not really. Burrow only had one other season as a starter, while Pickett had 3 before this year, and in that one year, Burrow threw for more TD’s and fewer INT’s than Pickett had in any of his first 3 years starting.
It’s a legitimate concern, especially when you compare the level of comp each of them faced in their college careers.
He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Burrow’s season the year before his draft year was FAR better than anything Pickett had in his 4 years prior to this year and Burrow only got better in his draft year. Burrow also was a more highly rated recruit who was only doing mop up duty for two years at Ohio State. In other words, despite being a full time starter for the first time since 3 years prior he posted far better numbers than Pickett did in his 4th year as a full time college starter.
Burrow also passed the eye test..you could see he just had “it” ..dont see that with pickett
If allowed to properly develop with the right OC, which will involve not making them play at all in 2022, I personally think Corral and Ridder have the best combination of upside and likelihood of at least being an improvement over Jones.
Not really. Burrow only had one other season as a starter, while Pickett had 3 before this year, and in that one year, Burrow threw for more TD’s and fewer INT’s than Pickett had in any of his first 3 years starting.
It’s a legitimate concern, especially when you compare the level of comp each of them faced in their college careers.
To be fair, Burrow was throwing to two of the NFL's best WR's. If Jefferson and Chase were on the same team now, they would be by far the best 1/2 WR tandem in the league. To be clear, I don't think Pickett is nearly as good a prospect as Burrow was but that was definitely a concern going into the 2020 draft.
All over again. Yes we can win with an above average QB that doesn’t do any one thing exceptionally well but has a combination of average to above average skill set. That’s who Pickett is for me. The arm is above average, the pocket awareness is above average, the scrambling ability is above average (fake slide was sickest play ever) but hes not going to cut on a dime LJ style. When comparing him to a guy like Malik Willis, Willis has the much higher ceiling. Willis has the most elite level traits in this class and it’s not even close.
But can Willis read defenses? It is true for many college QBs recently, but most of them are playing in a one read system or a half field system. With Willis too often it looks like he looks for his primary target. If he is not open, he takes off. I need to watch more games, but the scouting process has to dig deep on Willis, Corral and Pickett to uncover where they are in terms of the mental processing of the game.
What gets lost in the sauce is the amount of talent Burrow played with at LSU the year before he popped big in 2019.
In 2018, Burrow had 16 TDs with an offense that had Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Terrance Marshall and Edwards-Helaire. I'm sure most of the board recognizes those names. Yes?
So, shall we compare those players to the players Pickett had at his disposal in 2020?
He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Not really. Burrow only had one other season as a starter, while Pickett had 3 before this year, and in that one year, Burrow threw for more TD’s and fewer INT’s than Pickett had in any of his first 3 years starting.
It’s a legitimate concern, especially when you compare the level of comp each of them faced in their college careers.
I made a mistake earlier. Burrow graduated HS in spring of 2015 and did not become a starter at LSU until 2018 so that means from the end of 2014 season until start of 2018 college season he didn’t get any meaningful in game starter reps
RE: Only on BBI will Pickens be compared to Burrow
What gets lost in the sauce is the amount of talent Burrow played with at LSU the year before he popped big in 2019.
In 2018, Burrow had 16 TDs with an offense that had Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Terrance Marshall and Edwards-Helaire. I'm sure most of the board recognizes those names. Yes?
So, shall we compare those players to the players Pickett had at his disposal in 2020?
Only Jefferson was a full time starter in 2018. The rest were backups behind Nick Brossette, Derrick Dillon, etc.
RE: RE: Only on BBI will Pickens be compared to Burrow
The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
JaMarcus Russell, Mitch Trubisky, etc. all popped big in their last year does that mean Pickett is them? Pickett had a substantial body of work as a starter before this year and he looked like Daniel Jones.
RE: RE: Only on BBI will Pickens be compared to Burrow
The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
JaMarcus Russell, Mitch Trubisky, etc. all popped big in their last year does that mean Pickett is them? Pickett had a substantial body of work as a starter before this year and he looked like Daniel Jones.
Carson Palmer popped his senior year, too. But, yes, Pickett could be like the players you mentioned.
But I don't think Russell and Trubisky had nearly the production that Pickett had in the final year.
The potential need for a QB should not force us to reach in the draft. Many have said this is not a bumper year for QBs. I am not wasting a high pick on a project plain and simple. There is not one guy in this draft that is a sure thing.
RE: RE: RE: Only on BBI will Pickens be compared to Burrow
The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
The difference is Burrow didn't get a shot until his Junior year, looked good then and then looked amazing his senior year.
Pickett played for 3 years and didn't look good and then had a strong senior season.
Pickett's trajectory is much more similar to Daniel Jones then Joe Burrow.
With all due respect, Jones's senior year isn't in the same stratosphere as Pickett's.
Jones came out after his third year as a starter, this was Pickett’s 4th year as a starter and 5th overall. Jones’s draft year actually was better slightly than any of Pickett’s years prior to this year.
All over again. Yes we can win with an above average QB that doesn’t do any one thing exceptionally well but has a combination of average to above average skill set. That’s who Pickett is for me. The arm is above average, the pocket awareness is above average, the scrambling ability is above average (fake slide was sickest play ever) but hes not going to cut on a dime LJ style. When comparing him to a guy like Malik Willis, Willis has the much higher ceiling. Willis has the most elite level traits in this class and it’s not even close.
Jones does not have an intermediate game…even in college. Pickett’s whole game is built on attacking the intermediate area so how are you making this comparison?
RE: RE: Only on BBI will Pickens be compared to Burrow
Pickett had the presence of mind to fake a QB slide to get a defender to pull up and take himself out of the play. In the same situation Jones's instinct has been to lead with his head, expose his neck, or trip over a ghost.
What gets lost in the sauce is the amount of talent Burrow played with at LSU the year before he popped big in 2019.
In 2018, Burrow had 16 TDs with an offense that had Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Terrance Marshall and Edwards-Helaire. I'm sure most of the board recognizes those names. Yes?
So, shall we compare those players to the players Pickett had at his disposal in 2020?
Chase was a true freshman in 2018 who clearly was not ready for a big role yet. That also was Burrow's first season actually getting real playing time. Pickett has been starting for what feels like 5 years now.
Pickett couldn't wipe Burrow's ass
Just bc some observers say this is a bad overall year for QBs
2017 was considered a bad year for QBs, yet Watson and Mahomes came out that year.
Don't lean on hot takes, blanket statements and truisms to run a football team.
Do careful individual analysis of the players and then decide.
Pickett made one of the best football plays, pro or college, this season with his fake slide. That took a lot of moxie, football smarts and athletic ability. He should be considered, at the least. Corral and Willis should also be in the mix.
Pickett had the presence of mind to fake a QB slide to get a defender to pull up and take himself out of the play. In the same situation Jones's instinct has been to lead with his head, expose his neck, or trip over a ghost.
They're not similar players.
They aren't similar, but by same mistake we're talking about overdrafting a QB who isn't worthy of being a top 10 pick simply because the QB class sucks and you need a QB.
The ACC was absolute dog shit this year, too.
The Giants almost certainly are going to be one of the worst teams in the league next year. They cant add anyone via free agency. They're going to be terrible and have a good shot at Young or Stroud.
Build up the offensive line so when they do get a QB the QB actually has a chance to succeed and isnt running for his life.
To Burrows QB abilities with respect to arm strength, accuracy, footwork , release and passing progression?
If so I am somewhat surprised to say the least.
Pickett had the presence of mind to fake a QB slide to get a defender to pull up and take himself out of the play. In the same situation Jones's instinct has been to lead with his head, expose his neck, or trip over a ghost.
They're not similar players.
Yeah, one cheats and the other actually tried to make a first down and got hurt. I wouldn't brag on the cheater. IMV, that is a unsportsmanlike penalty and should have been called.
Correct, there is no one right position order to build a franchise. You do it by selecting the best players available. You don’t do it by forcing a position by overdrafting a player you think you will want to replace next year if the next hot thing is available.
Pickett had the presence of mind to fake a QB slide to get a defender to pull up and take himself out of the play. In the same situation Jones's instinct has been to lead with his head, expose his neck, or trip over a ghost.
They're not similar players.
Yeah, one cheats and the other actually tried to make a first down and got hurt. I wouldn't brag on the cheater. IMV, that is a unsportsmanlike penalty and should have been called.
What your view is is irrelevant, because at the time it wasn't against the rules. That's a smart, instinctive play.
Pickett they will be in the same position they are now with Jones 3 years from now.
He was a starter for 4 years basically and it took him until this year to not suck.
Comparing him to Burrow and pointing to Burrow's pedestrian stats in 2018 is asinine. It was his first year starting. He didn't have any real experience before that season.
I'm not forcing a QB pick just to force one. I'd rather draft the strength of the 1st round guys and take offensive lineman. Then next year get a far better QB option.
Go ahead and force the Pickett pick and we'll be having the same discussions January of 2025
Okay at a lot of things but not really great at anything in particular
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
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He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Burrow’s season the year before his draft year was FAR better than anything Pickett had in his 4 years prior to this year and Burrow only got better in his draft year. Burrow also was a more highly rated recruit who was only doing mop up duty for two years at Ohio State. In other words, despite being a full time starter for the first time since 3 years prior he posted far better numbers than Pickett did in his 4th year as a full time college starter.
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He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Burrow’s season the year before his draft year was FAR better than anything Pickett had in his 4 years prior to this year and Burrow only got better in his draft year. Burrow also was a more highly rated recruit who was only doing mop up duty for two years at Ohio State. In other words, despite being a full time starter for the first time since 3 years prior he posted far better numbers than Pickett did in his 4th year as a full time college starter.
Burrow also passed the eye test..you could see he just had “it” ..dont see that with pickett
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He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Not really. Burrow only had one other season as a starter, while Pickett had 3 before this year, and in that one year, Burrow threw for more TD’s and fewer INT’s than Pickett had in any of his first 3 years starting.
It’s a legitimate concern, especially when you compare the level of comp each of them faced in their college careers.
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He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Burrow’s season the year before his draft year was FAR better than anything Pickett had in his 4 years prior to this year and Burrow only got better in his draft year. Burrow also was a more highly rated recruit who was only doing mop up duty for two years at Ohio State. In other words, despite being a full time starter for the first time since 3 years prior he posted far better numbers than Pickett did in his 4th year as a full time college starter.
Burrow also passed the eye test..you could see he just had “it” ..dont see that with pickett
If allowed to properly develop with the right OC, which will involve not making them play at all in 2022, I personally think Corral and Ridder have the best combination of upside and likelihood of at least being an improvement over Jones.
Not really. Burrow only had one other season as a starter, while Pickett had 3 before this year, and in that one year, Burrow threw for more TD’s and fewer INT’s than Pickett had in any of his first 3 years starting.
It’s a legitimate concern, especially when you compare the level of comp each of them faced in their college careers.
To be fair, Burrow was throwing to two of the NFL's best WR's. If Jefferson and Chase were on the same team now, they would be by far the best 1/2 WR tandem in the league. To be clear, I don't think Pickett is nearly as good a prospect as Burrow was but that was definitely a concern going into the 2020 draft.
But can Willis read defenses? It is true for many college QBs recently, but most of them are playing in a one read system or a half field system. With Willis too often it looks like he looks for his primary target. If he is not open, he takes off. I need to watch more games, but the scouting process has to dig deep on Willis, Corral and Pickett to uncover where they are in terms of the mental processing of the game.
In 2018, Burrow had 16 TDs with an offense that had Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Terrance Marshall and Edwards-Helaire. I'm sure most of the board recognizes those names. Yes?
So, shall we compare those players to the players Pickett had at his disposal in 2020?
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He had 4 seasons as a starter where he posted Daniel Jones numbers and suddenly has big year and is talked about as QB1. I am worried it is just a matter of him being more experienced than his competitors who are first time starters dealing with Covid restrictions.
Kind of like Burrow's route to the NFL..
How's that working out?
Not really. Burrow only had one other season as a starter, while Pickett had 3 before this year, and in that one year, Burrow threw for more TD’s and fewer INT’s than Pickett had in any of his first 3 years starting.
It’s a legitimate concern, especially when you compare the level of comp each of them faced in their college careers.
I made a mistake earlier. Burrow graduated HS in spring of 2015 and did not become a starter at LSU until 2018 so that means from the end of 2014 season until start of 2018 college season he didn’t get any meaningful in game starter reps
The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
In 2018, Burrow had 16 TDs with an offense that had Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Terrance Marshall and Edwards-Helaire. I'm sure most of the board recognizes those names. Yes?
So, shall we compare those players to the players Pickett had at his disposal in 2020?
Only Jefferson was a full time starter in 2018. The rest were backups behind Nick Brossette, Derrick Dillon, etc.
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The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
JaMarcus Russell, Mitch Trubisky, etc. all popped big in their last year does that mean Pickett is them? Pickett had a substantial body of work as a starter before this year and he looked like Daniel Jones.
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The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
The difference is Burrow didn't get a shot until his Junior year, looked good then and then looked amazing his senior year.
Pickett played for 3 years and didn't look good and then had a strong senior season.
Pickett's trajectory is much more similar to Daniel Jones then Joe Burrow.
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The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
It’s not only on bbi anyways, a lot of draft analysts have been using that comp
The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
JaMarcus Russell, Mitch Trubisky, etc. all popped big in their last year does that mean Pickett is them? Pickett had a substantial body of work as a starter before this year and he looked like Daniel Jones.
Carson Palmer popped his senior year, too. But, yes, Pickett could be like the players you mentioned.
But I don't think Russell and Trubisky had nearly the production that Pickett had in the final year.
The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
The difference is Burrow didn't get a shot until his Junior year, looked good then and then looked amazing his senior year.
Pickett played for 3 years and didn't look good and then had a strong senior season.
Pickett's trajectory is much more similar to Daniel Jones then Joe Burrow.
With all due respect, Jones's senior year isn't in the same stratosphere as Pickett's.
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The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
The difference is Burrow didn't get a shot until his Junior year, looked good then and then looked amazing his senior year.
Pickett played for 3 years and didn't look good and then had a strong senior season.
Pickett's trajectory is much more similar to Daniel Jones then Joe Burrow.
With all due respect, Jones's senior year isn't in the same stratosphere as Pickett's.
Jones came out after his third year as a starter, this was Pickett’s 4th year as a starter and 5th overall. Jones’s draft year actually was better slightly than any of Pickett’s years prior to this year.
Jones does not have an intermediate game…even in college. Pickett’s whole game is built on attacking the intermediate area so how are you making this comparison?
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The comp is the trajectory and how they popped big in their last year.
Exactly
We had threads comparing Burrow to Daniel Jones for chrissakes... Of course Burrow vs Pickett threads will pop up.
Also, if I were going to start a thread I'd start by making sure I knew the guy's name.
They're not similar players.
In 2018, Burrow had 16 TDs with an offense that had Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Terrance Marshall and Edwards-Helaire. I'm sure most of the board recognizes those names. Yes?
So, shall we compare those players to the players Pickett had at his disposal in 2020?
Chase was a true freshman in 2018 who clearly was not ready for a big role yet. That also was Burrow's first season actually getting real playing time. Pickett has been starting for what feels like 5 years now.
Pickett couldn't wipe Burrow's ass
2017 was considered a bad year for QBs, yet Watson and Mahomes came out that year.
Don't lean on hot takes, blanket statements and truisms to run a football team.
Do careful individual analysis of the players and then decide.
Pickett made one of the best football plays, pro or college, this season with his fake slide. That took a lot of moxie, football smarts and athletic ability. He should be considered, at the least. Corral and Willis should also be in the mix.
They're not similar players.
They aren't similar, but by same mistake we're talking about overdrafting a QB who isn't worthy of being a top 10 pick simply because the QB class sucks and you need a QB.
The ACC was absolute dog shit this year, too.
The Giants almost certainly are going to be one of the worst teams in the league next year. They cant add anyone via free agency. They're going to be terrible and have a good shot at Young or Stroud.
Build up the offensive line so when they do get a QB the QB actually has a chance to succeed and isnt running for his life.
If so I am somewhat surprised to say the least.
They're not similar players.
Yeah, one cheats and the other actually tried to make a first down and got hurt. I wouldn't brag on the cheater. IMV, that is a unsportsmanlike penalty and should have been called.
Correct, there is no one right position order to build a franchise. You do it by selecting the best players available. You don’t do it by forcing a position by overdrafting a player you think you will want to replace next year if the next hot thing is available.
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Pickett had the presence of mind to fake a QB slide to get a defender to pull up and take himself out of the play. In the same situation Jones's instinct has been to lead with his head, expose his neck, or trip over a ghost.
They're not similar players.
Yeah, one cheats and the other actually tried to make a first down and got hurt. I wouldn't brag on the cheater. IMV, that is a unsportsmanlike penalty and should have been called.
What your view is is irrelevant, because at the time it wasn't against the rules. That's a smart, instinctive play.
Jones is not a smart, instinctive player.
The highlights I've seen of him, he looks to have the size and arm and really can whip it from the pocket.
But the hands............
It absolutely can work that way. Why should the Giants force a QB pick this year unless they actually believe in that player?
I'd much rather use the first 2 picks on a line and then take a far better QB prospect next year.
He was a starter for 4 years basically and it took him until this year to not suck.
Comparing him to Burrow and pointing to Burrow's pedestrian stats in 2018 is asinine. It was his first year starting. He didn't have any real experience before that season.
I'm not forcing a QB pick just to force one. I'd rather draft the strength of the 1st round guys and take offensive lineman. Then next year get a far better QB option.
Go ahead and force the Pickett pick and we'll be having the same discussions January of 2025
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It doesn't work that way.
It absolutely can work that way. Why should the Giants force a QB pick this year unless they actually believe in that player?
I'd much rather use the first 2 picks on a line and then take a far better QB prospect next year.
Terps wants to take multiple QBs each year until he gets it right.......stop fighting him.