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thrunthrublue : 1/23/2022 11:52 am
That surface looks fantastic, its a hybrid natural grass supported by artificial fibers called SISGrass........if they can have that heated, healthy field in Wisconsin, why not in the Meadowlands? notice the lack of non contact knee injuries last night? Knowing the investment made for the players, why not provide them with the fastest, safest field?
I said this on previous threads  
fanoftheteam : 1/23/2022 11:58 am : link
But metlife is trying to host fifa 2026. Very likely they win a bid given the nyc metro area. If so, they will Have to experiment with grass, meaning at least get some sort if technology or process in place. Perhaps thats a potential timeline of converting over if they can maintain it for 2 teams during the nfl season and have an operation set up to support other events they host like concerts. Maybe 2024/2025 they start playing around.
Lambeau doesn’t get nearly as much use as  
Section331 : 1/23/2022 12:02 pm : link
MetLife, it’s not even close. ML hosts 2 NFL franchises, plus is the premier outdoor venue for concerts and other events. Bands big enough to play in stadiums aren’t making GB a regular tour stop.

Not saying that the SISgrass shouldn’t be investigated, just pointing out how well it holds up in GB shouldn’t be a predictor of its viability in NY.
RE: Lambeau doesn’t get nearly as much use as  
Eman11 : 1/23/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15569062 Section331 said:
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MetLife, it’s not even close. ML hosts 2 NFL franchises, plus is the premier outdoor venue for concerts and other events. Bands big enough to play in stadiums aren’t making GB a regular tour stop.

Not saying that the SISgrass shouldn’t be investigated, just pointing out how well it holds up in GB shouldn’t be a predictor of its viability in NY.


No question the two teams are a factor and obstacle, but every outdoor show I’ve been to in a stadium in the past 15 years or so has had a subfloor on the field. Most use some type of hard plastic interlocking tiles probably 4’x4’ in size maybe a tad smaller but all breathable and a couple of inches thick.

It’s one of the first things done during the stage setup after making sure the field is protected by plywood on top of the plastic if it’s being driven on bringing in the stage parts.

Here’s a pretty cool 16 minute video of the stage being built at Giants Stadium for Genesis in 07






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Since a move to natural turf isn't likely to happen  
JohnF : 1/23/2022 1:06 pm : link
for some years, it might be worth while to look at Football Shoes and any possible relationship to injuries from footwear. The type of cleats (and possibly people "gaming" the shoe by getting cleats longer than is recommended for artificial turf in order to get an advantage) need to be looked at closely, as a factor in more injuries.

This could be an issue if the athlete has a shoe contract with one of the shoes that isn't high on the list with "safer" cleats.

Here's a study from 2019 sponsored by the NFLPA (link).

Lambeau  
Costy16 : 1/23/2022 2:05 pm : link
Does have a heated playing surface. That grass stands up well throughout the entire season.

Stating that Metlife cannot convert to grass is a fallacy. The Steelers share Heinz Field with Pitt throughout the entire year and play on a grass surface and it holds up fine. Heinz Field also hosts concerts. The Eagles share with Temple and play on grass and there are no issues. The Linc also hosts concerts and other events. Those are practically the same climate as northern NJ.
RE: RE: Lambeau doesn’t get nearly as much use as  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2022 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15569087 Eman11 said:
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In comment 15569062 Section331 said:


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MetLife, it’s not even close. ML hosts 2 NFL franchises, plus is the premier outdoor venue for concerts and other events. Bands big enough to play in stadiums aren’t making GB a regular tour stop.

Not saying that the SISgrass shouldn’t be investigated, just pointing out how well it holds up in GB shouldn’t be a predictor of its viability in NY.



No question the two teams are a factor and obstacle, but every outdoor show I’ve been to in a stadium in the past 15 years or so has had a subfloor on the field. Most use some type of hard plastic interlocking tiles probably 4’x4’ in size maybe a tad smaller but all breathable and a couple of inches thick.

It’s one of the first things done during the stage setup after making sure the field is protected by plywood on top of the plastic if it’s being driven on bringing in the stage parts.

Here’s a pretty cool 16 minute video of the stage being built at Giants Stadium for Genesis in 07




Link - ( New Window )

Those surface tiles protect the grass from turning into mud, but they still cause some wear and tear on the underlying surface itself (especially natural grass).

As for the lack of OP's point about about a lack of non-contact injuries last night, is a one-game sample really what any intelligent person would consider sufficient for analysis?

Barkley tore his knee up last year on natural grass, in a non-contact injury. These things can happen on any surface.

The hybrid surface is intriguing, but it might just not be practical at MetLife. Meanwhile, the Giants (and Jets) play on the same surface as several other NFL teams. Some of these soft-tissue and non-contact injuries need to be looked at from a strength & conditioning perspective, and from a medical team perspective as it relates to getting guys back on the field.

And some of it - not the season-ending sort of injury, but the lingering strains/sprains/contusions - will miraculously fix itself when the Giants are a better team and guys aren't making business decisions.
RE: Lambeau  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/23/2022 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15569263 Costy16 said:
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Does have a heated playing surface. That grass stands up well throughout the entire season.

Stating that Metlife cannot convert to grass is a fallacy. The Steelers share Heinz Field with Pitt throughout the entire year and play on a grass surface and it holds up fine. Heinz Field also hosts concerts. The Eagles share with Temple and play on grass and there are no issues. The Linc also hosts concerts and other events. Those are practically the same climate as northern NJ.

Heinz and Linc host 1 NFL team and 1 college team. The college team only plays 6-7 home games; not 10. The college team doesn't plan in December when the weather is worst in the region.

It's not apples to apples; I'm not sure why people continue to make this comparison.
RE: Since a move to natural turf isn't likely to happen  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/23/2022 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15569166 JohnF said:
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for some years, it might be worth while to look at Football Shoes and any possible relationship to injuries from footwear. The type of cleats (and possibly people "gaming" the shoe by getting cleats longer than is recommended for artificial turf in order to get an advantage) need to be looked at closely, as a factor in more injuries.

This could be an issue if the athlete has a shoe contract with one of the shoes that isn't high on the list with "safer" cleats.

Here's a study from 2019 sponsored by the NFLPA (link).



Thanks for this. I shifted away from Nike sneakers/cleats a long time ago involving anything athletic.
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