Vacchiano: Patrick Graham wants to stay on as DC

In comment 15569741 jvm52106 said:

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In comment 15569712 joeinpa said: Quote: Why the hell would anyone complain ??! Who said they are. This just states that Graham has made it known..

As they don’t even have a head coach yet I thought the inference was clear

of the 1st half in all 17 games. Then they can decide if Graham should stay.
NOT.

In fairness though the talent level sucks. Lease that decision to new coach I guess.

Easy to run with that. But, both Daboll & Flores (the assumed finalists) both worked with Graham.

Last season was lost while the defense was sleep walking weeks 1-3.

The secondary was in shambles to start the season.
That “prevent” defense at the goal line vs. Washington.
We gave up points at the end of the half like we were giving to charity.

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of around 80 points (none for us), soured me on him. Absolutely unacceptable..

In comment 15569816 Chris in Philly said:

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wants to keep him, okay. If he doesn’t, okay. It has nothing to do with the Maras, you mopes.

Even Ralph admits in the article that has not been the case with the Maras, who have made assistant coaching deicisions.

The bend and dont break.... and more importantly.... the total lack of defense at the end of each half... no no no..... Give me a Spags defense

That can sack the Quarterback. Not one that gives up 17 yard wide open curl routes to receivers. I like Graham, but I'm tired of the James Bettcher looking defense.

And no

Need to give up more points in the last 2 minutes before half?

All new staff please.

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In comment 15569833 bw in dc said:

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here is the passage that reminds you how often Mara will insert himself into the coaching process. So while he says coaching decisions are up to Schoen, you have to have some degree of skepticism with the Mara. Quote: But that might not preclude the Giants owners from at least suggesting the new coach keep Graham, who earned rave reviews in 2020 for his 12th-ranked defense that nearly carried the Giants to the NFC East title. And while his defense slipped in the ranking last season (to 21st) they were also carrying an historically bad offense on their backs. According to a team source, ownership’s feelings about Graham haven’t changed, which is a big reason why he’s getting an interview for the head coaching job–the only interview he’s been offered this cycle, so far. And the Giants owners have gotten involved in assistant coaching decisions before. That tradition goes back to at least 2006 when Mara convinced Tom Coughlin to fire offensive coordinator John Hufnagel and replace him with Kevin Gilbride. He did it again after the 2009 season when Mara ousted defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan, who was replaced by Perry Fewell. Mara also made it clear that he strongly favored Ben McAdoo keeping Steve Spagnuolo as defensive coordinator when McAdoo took over the Giants in 2016. And he publicly pushed Jason Garrett as a potential offensive coordinator in 2020, even before Joe Judge started forming his staff. Whether he would intervene again is unclear, especially since Mara promised new GM Joe Schoen “will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including … coaching.” But Graham is likely the only holdover from Judge’s staff that ownership would push to keep.

So Mara lied about leaving things up to Schoen?

Nope.. Giants needs fresh new competent coaches.

I don't care if it's Graham or anyone else, as long as he's the HC's choice (not the owners' choice) and he will be held accountable by the organization for how the D performs. If it's Graham and the D is lousy, he's gotta go, whether he's the HC's choice and the owners like him, or not. If it's someone else and the D is lousy, then that guy has to go.

They needs to do a complete reset

Bye.

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it makes sense. A defensive coach is likely not hiring a Fangio or Martindale etc.

If we hire an offensive coach like Daboll there is more importance on a veteran defensive stud.

Bend and do not break. Then give up a field goal.

In comment 15569874 Giant John said:

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In fairness though the talent level sucks. Lease that decision to new coach I guess.

I would argue that the talent level underachieved because the coaching was putrid. If Graham is retained, I’m done with the team… for the umpteenth time.

so one could surmise that if Flo gets the HC gig, he wouldn’t be thrilled about that arrangement.

In comment 15569739 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I think you could do better

his bullshit strategy last year was a directive of Judge.

Otherwise, playing a prevent all season ain't my cup of tea. I don't care if it "works" or not either. This is supposed to be entertainment.

In comment 15570026 Piranah In NC said:

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That can sack the Quarterback. Not one that gives up 17 yard wide open curl routes to receivers. I like Graham, but I'm tired of the James Bettcher looking defense.

Did you ever think that they played those D schemes because of the lacking talent on the Edges? I think Graham did a lot with a D that had it troubles making opposing QBs uncomfortable. Plus, the D's stats are somewhat skewed by the offenses inability to mount long drives.

are why it's tough to take the throwing of the chairs and garbage cans seriously.

Because Patrick Graham's defense should be the reason for a lot of that.

If he’s who the HC wants and it’s not part of owner influence, Im all for it. The two leading HC candidates have a connection to him, so it very well could be the case.

was good enough that he didn't have to play so soft. If we can convince the new HC otherwise, let him try. I want a DC who is going to play an attack style. If Graham isn't that guy, buh bye

on DBs and play prevent all year. Brilliant!

2 years ago he was regarded as a prospect HC and Giants fans were ecstatic to have him.

Also losing Blake Martinez was an absolute killer, so lets not forget that.

Its already been conveyed that new GM and HC will have the power to choose and make that decision.

chill.

Legitimately a leading candidate after Fangio. Opinion of him here is way out of whack.

In comment 15570026 Piranah In NC said:

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That can sack the Quarterback. Not one that gives up 17 yard wide open curl routes to receivers. I like Graham, but I'm tired of the James Bettcher looking defense.

My dream defense:::>
I want a defense that when a RB clears the line of scrimmage he fears for his health.
I want a defense that a TE is fearful to raise his arms and expose his ribs
I want a defense that when a a wide receiver catches a ball he has snot bubbles coming out of his ear holes.
How long has it been since we saw that,.
I want a defense that earns the name..D E F E N S E!
Shone us that Mr GM!

In comment 15570092 carpoon said:

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That's just..unsettling...

Just waiting to see if it turns into ala carte.

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In comment 15570092 carpoon said:

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Rust was terrible. But would like to compare the defensive talent each coach had to work with?

unless Schoen and the new HC want to keep him, which I doubt. We were outscored 72 - 0 in the last two minutes of the first half this year IIRC. I also agree his "bend but don't break" style of defense isn't Giants football.

From me! Clean house and right this ship!

No thank you.

I'm not interested.

Does a masterful job at disguising coverages. He’s blitzing is horrendous.

Graham morphs his defense to what he has and what they need to do. He tried blitzing and playing man early in the year and had to abandon that because they couldn't get to the QB. He adapted to bend don't break because of how bad the offense was and it was the only way to keep games close.

Everyone was high on Graham after 2020 and now we're down on him even though his 2021 defense ranked higher in DVOA than 2020.

The Giants have a pass rusher issue. Graham can only scheme so much but we don't have players on the roster that can win 1:1 battles. If Schoen and whoever the new head coach is want to keep Graham on they need to get him a legitimate NFL pass rusher.

We all want things.

But if the next HC wants PG to remain as DC, I don't have an issue with that. I just wouldn't want PG to be forced upon the new HC under any circumstances.

But Vic Fangio and Wink Martindale would be huge upgrades over Graham...

In comment 15569816 Chris in Philly said:

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wants to keep him, okay. If he doesn’t, okay. It has nothing to do with the Maras, you mopes.

Just like Garrett had nothing to with the Maras.

Right

But I wouldn’t consider Wink in a separate tier. His defense was awful this year and he just got fired. Graham will be a DC in this hiring cycle, he knows the players and has a connection to the top HC candidates. I don’t think there is a better known commodity outside of Fangio. At the end of the day it should be who the HC is comfortable with though. Enough of the matchmaker bullshit.

Graham has a very recent and tangible connection to Flores and Daboll. If we hire Quinn and he tabs Graham? Then it’s fair to raise an eyebrow.

People are high on Wink or Fangio but Graham's Giants defense ranked higher than Denver and Baltimore in DVOA.

Giants need more talent. The defense isn't going to magically improve without more pressure off the edge.

The defense wasnt anything special and I hated the bend dont break D. This team needs a fresh start top to bottom. No hold overs, this team was bad and everyone needs to go. We need fresh ideas.

I dont want Graham as the HC or any part of the team. Players need to be held accountable too. What you see on tape not what you saw at practice.

Thank him and wish him the best at his next team. Start fresh and move on.

For their DC.