Vacchiano: Patrick Graham wants to stay on as DC

Our defense is nothing special.

head coaching job. I mean, I often tell my employers that there is no need to promote me or give me a raise, I'll just hang around forever.

Buh Bye Graham.

I feel like this is a clean house situation

Defense wasn’t as good as I had hoped last season, but when Martinez went down, things were different obviously. I feel like it’s a unit on the upswing. Players like him too. Why make a change?

Ideally he'd be hired as a HC somewhere else. Couple picks would be nice.

gave up a historical amount of points within 2 minutes of halftime and couldn’t make plays when they needed to, but year let’s bring him back?! Nothing special at all and no reason for him to return IMO.

Why the hell would anyone complain

Is a 3-4 defense but the head coach wants to employ a 4-3, then he is not a fit

the decision to the new HC and GM. I am not that happy with the work done this season.

out there who'd be considered an upgrade over Graham, but I'm fine with him staying if the new HC wants to keep him.

We didn't want the defense to give up the most amount of points in history with 2 minutes left, but it happened.

No one gives up points at the half like Pat Graham. Get the fuck out of here. Start fresh everywhere possible. There is not a single thing worth clinging to.

to just start over with the entire staff.

His units weren't bad but teams were so conservative in the last 2 years offensive playing against the Giants. They knew the only chance to lose was to turn it over and that the offense couldn't beat them. So while some people think the offense being so bad hurt the Giants defense because they were always put in bad situations, I think it also helped them in that teams were so conservative.

Any time a team needed a score against the Giants defense, they got it. In the last 2 minutes of the first half teams always got points. When teams were actually aggressive against the Giants defense like in the last 2 minutes of the half they almost always got points.

In comment 15569697 jvm52106 said:

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Our defense is nothing special.

I have a feeling the only way Graham stays is if we go with Flores as head coach.

with an aggressive game plan. Forget this passive soft zone scheme that Graham runs.

we trust

Scheme was in response to what Judge wanted, and he will not have corners 15 yards off the ball on 3rd and 8. He also needs to answer for what the hell happened at literally the end of every single first half.

I’d prefer he didn’t stay, but happy with whatever GM and HC decide.

In comment 15569698 BigBlueBuff said:

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head coaching job. I mean, I often tell my employers that there is no need to promote me or give me a raise, I'll just hang around forever.

I was thinking the same. Does he not really want to be HC or is he just realistic knowing he won't get it? Or is it "if I don't get it?"

(No pun intended)

Is it possible Joe “play not to lose” Judge instructed Graham not to be aggressive is the final 2 minutes of every half?

Graham is a smart dude and has shown he can adapt quickly, there is some wiggle room there, it could be possible that Judge provided a shit plan. We saw it on offense it can be questioned that he had the same effect on defense.

I am not saying I believe this, I’m not sure but I am ok with getting a fair shake on interviewing for his own job.

But only if that’s what the new coach wants

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In comment 15569712 joeinpa said:

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Why the hell would anyone complain

??! Who said they are. This just states that Graham has made it known..

Bend but don't break is not Giant football.

I don't see any playoff team playing that defense.

Terrible.

Seriously though, let the HC pick his coordinator.

No thank you

when it's your defense that's on the field the whole game. I think he did pretty good with what he had to work with. That being said, that's a joint decision between the new HC and the new GM.

Some kind of bizarre separation anxiety? Graham is not Bill Belichick circa 1990. He did a decent job but bring in a completely new staff. No holdovers.

this.

that his body of work is helping where he stands on the ranking list.

At least can’t imagine it does,,.

In comment 15569779 arniefez said:

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Some kind of bizarre separation anxiety? Graham is not Bill Belichick circa 1990. He did a decent job but bring in a completely new staff. No holdovers.

Why are you or anyone blaming Mara or Tisch? Schoen is doing the chosing and I am sure he offered the interview.

wants to keep him, okay. If he doesn’t, okay. It has nothing to do with the Maras, you mopes.

I like him and would love to see what he could do with another pash rusher or 2.

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In comment 15569816 Chris in Philly said:

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wants to keep him, okay. If he doesn’t, okay. It has nothing to do with the Maras, you mopes.

Exactly. Especially considering both Daboll & Flores worked with Graham.

here is the passage that reminds you how often Mara will insert himself into the coaching process. So while he says coaching decisions are up to Schoen, you have to have some degree of skepticism with the Mara.

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But that might not preclude the Giants owners from at least suggesting the new coach keep Graham, who earned rave reviews in 2020 for his 12th-ranked defense that nearly carried the Giants to the NFC East title. And while his defense slipped in the ranking last season (to 21st) they were also carrying an historically bad offense on their backs. According to a team source, ownership’s feelings about Graham haven’t changed, which is a big reason why he’s getting an interview for the head coaching job–the only interview he’s been offered this cycle, so far. And the Giants owners have gotten involved in assistant coaching decisions before. That tradition goes back to at least 2006 when Mara convinced Tom Coughlin to fire offensive coordinator John Hufnagel and replace him with Kevin Gilbride. He did it again after the 2009 season when Mara ousted defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan, who was replaced by Perry Fewell. Mara also made it clear that he strongly favored Ben McAdoo keeping Steve Spagnuolo as defensive coordinator when McAdoo took over the Giants in 2016. And he publicly pushed Jason Garrett as a potential offensive coordinator in 2020, even before Joe Judge started forming his staff. Whether he would intervene again is unclear, especially since Mara promised new GM Joe Schoen “will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including … coaching.” But Graham is likely the only holdover from Judge’s staff that ownership would push to keep.

In comment 15569741 jvm52106 said:

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In comment 15569712 joeinpa said: Quote: Why the hell would anyone complain ??! Who said they are. This just states that Graham has made it known..

As they don’t even have a head coach yet I thought the inference was clear

of the 1st half in all 17 games. Then they can decide if Graham should stay.
NOT.

In fairness though the talent level sucks. Lease that decision to new coach I guess.

Easy to run with that. But, both Daboll & Flores (the assumed finalists) both worked with Graham.

Last season was lost while the defense was sleep walking weeks 1-3.

The secondary was in shambles to start the season.
That “prevent” defense at the goal line vs. Washington.
We gave up points at the end of the half like we were giving to charity.

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of around 80 points (none for us), soured me on him. Absolutely unacceptable..

In comment 15569816 Chris in Philly said:

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wants to keep him, okay. If he doesn’t, okay. It has nothing to do with the Maras, you mopes.

Even Ralph admits in the article that has not been the case with the Maras, who have made assistant coaching deicisions.

The bend and dont break.... and more importantly.... the total lack of defense at the end of each half... no no no..... Give me a Spags defense

That can sack the Quarterback. Not one that gives up 17 yard wide open curl routes to receivers. I like Graham, but I'm tired of the James Bettcher looking defense.

And no

Need to give up more points in the last 2 minutes before half?

All new staff please.

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In comment 15569833 bw in dc said:

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here is the passage that reminds you how often Mara will insert himself into the coaching process. So while he says coaching decisions are up to Schoen, you have to have some degree of skepticism with the Mara. Quote: But that might not preclude the Giants owners from at least suggesting the new coach keep Graham, who earned rave reviews in 2020 for his 12th-ranked defense that nearly carried the Giants to the NFC East title. And while his defense slipped in the ranking last season (to 21st) they were also carrying an historically bad offense on their backs. According to a team source, ownership’s feelings about Graham haven’t changed, which is a big reason why he’s getting an interview for the head coaching job–the only interview he’s been offered this cycle, so far. And the Giants owners have gotten involved in assistant coaching decisions before. That tradition goes back to at least 2006 when Mara convinced Tom Coughlin to fire offensive coordinator John Hufnagel and replace him with Kevin Gilbride. He did it again after the 2009 season when Mara ousted defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan, who was replaced by Perry Fewell. Mara also made it clear that he strongly favored Ben McAdoo keeping Steve Spagnuolo as defensive coordinator when McAdoo took over the Giants in 2016. And he publicly pushed Jason Garrett as a potential offensive coordinator in 2020, even before Joe Judge started forming his staff. Whether he would intervene again is unclear, especially since Mara promised new GM Joe Schoen “will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including … coaching.” But Graham is likely the only holdover from Judge’s staff that ownership would push to keep.

So Mara lied about leaving things up to Schoen?