That would have easily took at least 4-5 seconds off the clock. KC would have had the ball on likely their own 35-40 yard line with 7 or 8 seconds left to get in FG range.
Frazier really sucked today as a DC, but that one is on McDermott.
The real choice is to kick it high and to the 5 yard line and make them return it. Too short you get a fair catch or a squib and they fall on it and all 1 second goes off.
That was my idea. Make him run around for 3-4 seconds.
I suspect that might have been the call but the kicker's adrenaline was probably flowing just as strongly as everyone on the field. It's not easy to pull a 7-iron out of your bag when every club is the same leg.
wonder if they had whether it would have mattered. The clock doesn't start until the ball is touched. The Chiefs could have simply caught the ball and gone down immediately, ending the play and preserving at least 12 seconds.
But as others have said, it shouldn't have mattered. The Bills gave up 40 yards in two plays. They should have been blitzing.
The only correct play is to kick it high, to about the 5 or 10. Either have to fair catch it there, or run it back and run clock. Doing anything else was a mistake.
The shame of it is that both of these teams roll everyone else thats left. 13 ticks from grabbing the ring and you let fear win. Now you get what you deserve.
has been a shit head in every close game the Bills have played this year, which is the major reason they were 0-5 in 1 score games in the regular season and playoffs.
He should be out of a job tomorrow. He won't be but he's holding that organization back from what they should be. A good coach gets that game to the finish line
wonder if they had whether it would have mattered. The clock doesn't start until the ball is touched. The Chiefs could have simply caught the ball and gone down immediately, ending the play and preserving at least 12 seconds.
But as others have said, it shouldn't have mattered. The Bills gave up 40 yards in two plays. They should have been blitzing.
Blitzing?
I think the consensus is rush 2 and flood the field with coverage.
the possibility that the kicker just didn't execute it properly. It isn't all that easy to kick to the 5 instead of the end zone. Punters have to practice years to get that right. Too little leg and they fair catch it at the 20 or so and nothing is gained. Too much leg and it's in the end zone. That might have been what happened.
As for squib kicks, I've seen way too many of them give the team the ball at 35 or so. I think in the Fassel era we had a few of those.
1) You can't really expect them to get 40 yards in two plays, with your top ranked defense KNOWING they had only two plays.
2) if the squib kick ended up getting close to the yardage anyway, the same people would be on here saying they should've never let them return the ball at all.
The only correct play is to kick it high, to about the 5 or 10. Either have to fair catch it there, or run it back and run clock. Doing anything else was a mistake.
Or let it bounce into the end zone, unless folks really think the kicking team could recover it?
Or what am I forgetting?
RE: I thought Reid would put Hill back to return, but he didn't
the possibility that the kicker just didn't execute it properly. It isn't all that easy to kick to the 5 instead of the end zone. Punters have to practice years to get that right. Too little leg and they fair catch it at the 20 or so and nothing is gained. Too much leg and it's in the end zone. That might have been what happened.
As for squib kicks, I've seen way too many of them give the team the ball at 35 or so. I think in the Fassel era we had a few of those.
Exactly . . . People are going into Monday-morning-quarterbacking mode and just assuming kicking it high to the 5 yard line was automatic.
RE: RE: RE: I thought Reid would put Hill back to return, but he didn't
Basically, don't give up 40 yards in two plays, how hard is that?
Between the Bills and the Bucs, did they forget the prevent defense exists?!?!?
The Bills played prevent defense on both downs.
Right. They rushed four and played prevent. Worst combination.
Kelce's catch was the easiest route he ran all day to setup the FG.
They were way too deep with their back 7, particularly on 1st down. They basically handed Hill 19 yards on a silver platter.
I actually don't mind the kickoff as much as the defensive play calling there. Way too soft in coverage. You want to be in position to prevent the deep ball, but come on. At the snap, they had two corners 12 yards off the line of scrimmage and everyone else at least 15 yards away from scrimmage, and they were all backpedaling at the snap. To me, they lost the game really on that play. Obviously, the play after was similar, but the defense was a little tighter at least in the pre-snap alignment, but with KC having all their timeouts going into that sequence, I don't think you gift Mahomes anything on that first down play. You have to keep these guys from hitting you deep, but that was just pitch and catch for 44 yards in two plays. It's just too easy for Mahomes. How about these numbers:
With less than 2 minutes remaining in regulation and OT, Kelce with 4 catches, 54 yards, and the game winning score.
Hill in the same time period, 3 for 87 and a score. Ridiculous.
Gabriel Davis for Buffalo, 4 for 87 and a 2 scores, all after the 2-minute warning in regulation.
And they just could have fallen on it. The best move would have been to kick it high but short of the goal line and risk a return. They also just could have covered Jason Kielce
the possibility that the kicker just didn't execute it properly. It isn't all that easy to kick to the 5 instead of the end zone. Punters have to practice years to get that right. Too little leg and they fair catch it at the 20 or so and nothing is gained. Too much leg and it's in the end zone. That might have been what happened.
As for squib kicks, I've seen way too many of them give the team the ball at 35 or so. I think in the Fassel era we had a few of those.
THANK YOU. People are acting like “a sky high kick that lands at the 5” as though it’s easy for a kicker from his own 35 just aim for the 5 yard line and hit it there. 95% of the time they’re just kicking it as hard as they can off the tee. Meanwhile punters who practice their whole lives at doing that often overcook it from much closer than that.
Also it’s not as easy for a kicker to control the trajectory of the kick. It’s not like he can just pull out his pitching wedge leg and hit it sky high and also control the distance. It’s easier for punters do it because they can change the impact point of the ball in the air where it meets their foot, but a kicker can’t, it’s just sitting there on the tee.
the possibility that the kicker just didn't execute it properly. It isn't all that easy to kick to the 5 instead of the end zone. Punters have to practice years to get that right. Too little leg and they fair catch it at the 20 or so and nothing is gained. Too much leg and it's in the end zone. That might have been what happened.
As for squib kicks, I've seen way too many of them give the team the ball at 35 or so. I think in the Fassel era we had a few of those.
THANK YOU. People are acting like “a sky high kick that lands at the 5” as though it’s easy for a kicker from his own 35 just aim for the 5 yard line and hit it there. 95% of the time they’re just kicking it as hard as they can off the tee. Meanwhile punters who practice their whole lives at doing that often overcook it from much closer than that.
Also it’s not as easy for a kicker to control the trajectory of the kick. It’s not like he can just pull out his pitching wedge leg and hit it sky high and also control the distance. It’s easier for punters do it because they can change the impact point of the ball in the air where it meets their foot, but a kicker can’t, it’s just sitting there on the tee.
Actually - kickers do this pretty easily. You’re discounting skills of kickers. Bass boomed it through the end zone. Missing a mark by 15 yards is not done by accident.
Kickers practice this all the time all week. They are highly skilled. Kicking the ball between the 5-10 isn’t hard for them.
yeah I thought a straight kick off was the way to go myself
the real crime here was the # 1 defense giving up a score with 13 secs left from the 25 yd line
you want your defense, your best unit, winning the game for you
Anything’s possible, but there’s not a great chance it will and you kill some time. Giving a full 13 seconds with 3 TOs left is a decent amount of time for a Mahomes or a Brady and now, an Allen.
The only correct play is to kick it high, to about the 5 or 10. Either have to fair catch it there, or run it back and run clock. Doing anything else was a mistake.
Or let it bounce into the end zone, unless folks really think the kicking team could recover it?
Or what am I forgetting?
The problem with letting it bounce with the hopes of it going into the EZ is that if that ball catches an odd bounce and either goes back toward the coverage unit or just up in the air, and now you have to scramble to cover a live ball and you're almost certainly going to lose a couple of seconds off the clock because you can't fair catch off a bounce. And you probably won't have the same field position that a touchback provides.
The only good reason to kick it into the end zone is to not let Hill beat you on a miracle return. But the miracle happened anyway.
That was my idea. Make him run around for 3-4 seconds.
I mean I like Cincy, but the Bills just lost an easy shot at a Super Bowl they would have been favorites to win. What a shame.
Basically, don't give up 40 yards in two plays, how hard is that?
Between the Bills and the Bucs, did they forget the prevent defense exists?!?!?
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I was shocked that Buffalo gifted KC a touchback.
That was my idea. Make him run around for 3-4 seconds.
I suspect that might have been the call but the kicker's adrenaline was probably flowing just as strongly as everyone on the field. It's not easy to pull a 7-iron out of your bag when every club is the same leg.
Suggesting that lofting a kickoff to save time would be ill advised because they ran the risk of the music city miracle 2 is laughable
The right call is kick it to the five and make them fair catch or eat clock.
But as others have said, it shouldn't have mattered. The Bills gave up 40 yards in two plays. They should have been blitzing.
I was screaming for the short kick to the 5 yard line too.
He should be out of a job tomorrow. He won't be but he's holding that organization back from what they should be. A good coach gets that game to the finish line
But as others have said, it shouldn't have mattered. The Bills gave up 40 yards in two plays. They should have been blitzing.
Blitzing?
I think the consensus is rush 2 and flood the field with coverage.
I thought Romo's commentary was spot on.
As for squib kicks, I've seen way too many of them give the team the ball at 35 or so. I think in the Fassel era we had a few of those.
1) You can't really expect them to get 40 yards in two plays, with your top ranked defense KNOWING they had only two plays.
2) if the squib kick ended up getting close to the yardage anyway, the same people would be on here saying they should've never let them return the ball at all.
Or let it bounce into the end zone, unless folks really think the kicking team could recover it?
Or what am I forgetting?
Basically, don't give up 40 yards in two plays, how hard is that?
Between the Bills and the Bucs, did they forget the prevent defense exists?!?!?
The Bills played prevent defense on both downs.
Crazy...
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....so I don't know.
Basically, don't give up 40 yards in two plays, how hard is that?
Between the Bills and the Bucs, did they forget the prevent defense exists?!?!?
The Bills played prevent defense on both downs.
Right. They rushed four and played prevent. Worst combination.
Kelce's catch was the easiest route he ran all day to setup the FG.
As for squib kicks, I've seen way too many of them give the team the ball at 35 or so. I think in the Fassel era we had a few of those.
Exactly . . . People are going into Monday-morning-quarterbacking mode and just assuming kicking it high to the 5 yard line was automatic.
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....so I don't know.
Basically, don't give up 40 yards in two plays, how hard is that?
Between the Bills and the Bucs, did they forget the prevent defense exists?!?!?
The Bills played prevent defense on both downs.
Right. They rushed four and played prevent. Worst combination.
Kelce's catch was the easiest route he ran all day to setup the FG.
They were way too deep with their back 7, particularly on 1st down. They basically handed Hill 19 yards on a silver platter.
I actually don't mind the kickoff as much as the defensive play calling there. Way too soft in coverage. You want to be in position to prevent the deep ball, but come on. At the snap, they had two corners 12 yards off the line of scrimmage and everyone else at least 15 yards away from scrimmage, and they were all backpedaling at the snap. To me, they lost the game really on that play. Obviously, the play after was similar, but the defense was a little tighter at least in the pre-snap alignment, but with KC having all their timeouts going into that sequence, I don't think you gift Mahomes anything on that first down play. You have to keep these guys from hitting you deep, but that was just pitch and catch for 44 yards in two plays. It's just too easy for Mahomes. How about these numbers:
With less than 2 minutes remaining in regulation and OT, Kelce with 4 catches, 54 yards, and the game winning score.
Hill in the same time period, 3 for 87 and a score. Ridiculous.
Gabriel Davis for Buffalo, 4 for 87 and a 2 scores, all after the 2-minute warning in regulation.
Playoff game for the ages.
As for squib kicks, I've seen way too many of them give the team the ball at 35 or so. I think in the Fassel era we had a few of those.
THANK YOU. People are acting like “a sky high kick that lands at the 5” as though it’s easy for a kicker from his own 35 just aim for the 5 yard line and hit it there. 95% of the time they’re just kicking it as hard as they can off the tee. Meanwhile punters who practice their whole lives at doing that often overcook it from much closer than that.
Also it’s not as easy for a kicker to control the trajectory of the kick. It’s not like he can just pull out his pitching wedge leg and hit it sky high and also control the distance. It’s easier for punters do it because they can change the impact point of the ball in the air where it meets their foot, but a kicker can’t, it’s just sitting there on the tee.
I was screaming for the short kick to the 5 yard line too.
The way they played defense, KC with one TO would’ve still managed to get into FG range 😂
I remember that one. That's why I mentioned that I've seen squib kicks backfire.
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the possibility that the kicker just didn't execute it properly. It isn't all that easy to kick to the 5 instead of the end zone. Punters have to practice years to get that right. Too little leg and they fair catch it at the 20 or so and nothing is gained. Too much leg and it's in the end zone. That might have been what happened.
As for squib kicks, I've seen way too many of them give the team the ball at 35 or so. I think in the Fassel era we had a few of those.
THANK YOU. People are acting like “a sky high kick that lands at the 5” as though it’s easy for a kicker from his own 35 just aim for the 5 yard line and hit it there. 95% of the time they’re just kicking it as hard as they can off the tee. Meanwhile punters who practice their whole lives at doing that often overcook it from much closer than that.
Also it’s not as easy for a kicker to control the trajectory of the kick. It’s not like he can just pull out his pitching wedge leg and hit it sky high and also control the distance. It’s easier for punters do it because they can change the impact point of the ball in the air where it meets their foot, but a kicker can’t, it’s just sitting there on the tee.
Actually - kickers do this pretty easily. You’re discounting skills of kickers. Bass boomed it through the end zone. Missing a mark by 15 yards is not done by accident.
Kickers practice this all the time all week. They are highly skilled. Kicking the ball between the 5-10 isn’t hard for them.
the real crime here was the # 1 defense giving up a score with 13 secs left from the 25 yd line
you want your defense, your best unit, winning the game for you
the real crime here was the # 1 defense giving up a score with 13 secs left from the 25 yd line
you want your defense, your best unit, winning the game for you
Anything’s possible, but there’s not a great chance it will and you kill some time. Giving a full 13 seconds with 3 TOs left is a decent amount of time for a Mahomes or a Brady and now, an Allen.
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The only correct play is to kick it high, to about the 5 or 10. Either have to fair catch it there, or run it back and run clock. Doing anything else was a mistake.
Or let it bounce into the end zone, unless folks really think the kicking team could recover it?
Or what am I forgetting?
The problem with letting it bounce with the hopes of it going into the EZ is that if that ball catches an odd bounce and either goes back toward the coverage unit or just up in the air, and now you have to scramble to cover a live ball and you're almost certainly going to lose a couple of seconds off the clock because you can't fair catch off a bounce. And you probably won't have the same field position that a touchback provides.
The only good reason to kick it into the end zone is to not let Hill beat you on a miracle return. But the miracle happened anyway.
The only good reason to kick it into the end zone is to not let Hill beat you on a miracle return. But the miracle happened anyway.
Hill wasnt even back there, Hardman was - which makes the decision look even worse to boom it through.