Great game with a sour finish, not because the Chiefs won, but because the Bills never got a chance to answer. Cannot believe any of the remaining games can be any better. Not sure either NFC team would beat either Buffalo or KC.
NFL needs to change OT rules so each team gets the ball at least once.
Both defenses were spent by the last 5 minutes of reg. If Buffalo wins the toss, they likely win, because there was nothing either DC could do to stop the opposing offense.
Bills should have squibbed the KO - it may have eaten time. It also may have given KC better field position with only a second off the clock. Personally, I do not think it makes a definite difference. Executing a decent squib is not as easy as it looks. Yes there is a chance one of the upbacks fumbles the ball, there is also a chance it gets recovered around the 30/35 yard line. Is something better than nothing. IDK.
Josh Allen runs like a TE, throws like Tom Brady. Please keep him healthy. There are no similar QBs in this draft that come near Allen. Possibly Mahomes in Willis.
Wasn't it nice to have the refs keep the hankies in the pockets. They let the boys play. Lesson for the Boogers and Hochulis of the world.
People want to blame Frazier, but Spags' defense was confused all night, too. The DCs can only call the plays, the players need to read and make the plays. Both sets of players were exhausted. (and no, I never wanted Frazier as HC)
I could say the same about both HCs.
Getting too critical about calls, plays and mistakes takes away from one of the best games played in the NFL in years. How about realizing those two QBs got everything they could and both teams left it on the field.
Sf v GB was 13-10
The only way to stop KC is for their starting tackles to get hurt again. You cant stop them otherwise and you cant outscore them.
Mahomes and KC has hosted the AFC Championship every year he was the starter.
Stop the Chiefs one of the last 3x they had the ball and you don't have to worry about OT
Play D for 2 snaps and 13 seconds would have helped
It's on the Bills not the rules
Crazy bad loss for Bills. I'm sure it hurts.
Stop the Chiefs one of the last 3x they had the ball and you don't have to worry about OT
Play D for 2 snaps and 13 seconds would have helped
It's on the Bills not the rules
Crazy bad loss for Bills. I'm sure it hurts.
Yeah. Plus it used to be worse when all you had to do was kick a FG in the first possession.
OF COURSE it was THE issue. Squib it and nothing else ensues
Exactly this.
They had 3 timeouts I believe. And with 13 seconds (3 plays worth of time) there is zero incentive to get out of bounds.
And the bills played it like they needed to get out of bounds.
Nope..... Tackle Hill and Kelsey at the line. along with other threats.... take the 5 yard penalty.... less time is now on the clock.
They were obviously afraid of letting a guy like Hill catch the ball and go all the way, so they gave up the middle of the field so that they could make sure there was always a guy back that can tackle him. They kind of didn’t pay attention to Kelce for some reason though.
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Josh Allen on the last Bills drive? He was gassed, but he still made plays. With 13 seconds left, the Bills defense was poorly designed, gave up way too much space. Put a LB on Kelce's nose at the line to hold him up and run with him. Put 2 DBs on Hill at the line, play zone behind and make them beat you with Pringle, Hardman and McKinnon.
Nope..... Tackle Hill and Kelsey at the line. along with other threats.... take the 5 yard penalty.... less time is now on the clock.
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Josh Allen on the last Bills drive? He was gassed, but he still made plays. With 13 seconds left, the Bills defense was poorly designed, gave up way too much space. Put a LB on Kelce's nose at the line to hold him up and run with him. Put 2 DBs on Hill at the line, play zone behind and make them beat you with Pringle, Hardman and McKinnon.
Nope..... Tackle Hill and Kelsey at the line. along with other threats.... take the 5 yard penalty.... less time is now on the clock.
Great idea….too bad their DC didn’t think of it.
The move there is the pup kick. It doesn't have to be perfectly placed at the 5 as so many suggest. It just needs to be fielded inside the 20 or 15. A fair catch saves time but yields valuable yardage, which is significant with that little time. A return takes off valuable time and most likely doesn't get them past the 25 anyway. Returns on those populous tend to be very minimal
Regardless, their next 2 defensive calls were atrocious. That is where the game should have been won. Instead, that was like watching the Giants of the last several years giving up the FG to tie like that
I agree 100% defense was basically pointless.
That said the o/t rules should not be be changed. The defense is part of the game too and if you want a chance to win they need to step up.
The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.
Me too man...it's depressing
Mahomes really just took what the Defense gave him which was two huge chunk plays to get into quick FG range...easy pickings.
Congrats to KC though. They earned every bit of it.
The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.
What about kicking it in the air, but short of the goal line
Now we're at 8 or 9 seconds vs 13
On the Chiefs 1st down play, grab and hold Hill and Kelce (hell, grab every eligible receiver) and get a defensive holding penalty.
Now we're at 3 seconds
The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.
Yea, I agree. The squib was not the better option cause a player can just fall on it and give himself up.
Kicking it to the 5 would've made more sense
I'll take it.
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Do you all understand that the clock doesn't start until someone touches the ball? Unless someone boots it, you would have taken 1 second off the clock with a squib. You then also run the risk of it bouncing out of bounds and starting them at the 40 when all they need is a FG.
The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.
What about kicking it in the air, but short of the goal line
That could work if your kicker can place it inside the 20 but not have it cross the goal line. Kick it near the 25 and it is a fair catch and no time comes off the clock, kick it too deep and it goes in the end zone.
It would be a better strategy than a squib kick.
How would that have taken 3 seconds off the clock? The clock does not start when the ball is kicked, it's starts when someone touches it. Squib it to the 40 and an upback falls on it and gives himself up and you take one second off the clock.
And the Chiefs kicked the winning FG with 4 seconds left. Taking 3 seconds off the clock would have made zero difference.
Come on, that's a lot easier said than done. Hey pooch kick it, but don't make it too short so they can fair catch it, and don't make it too long that it goes into the end zone! Got it?
Maybe a squib kick forces them to run some time off the clock, but what if the KR brings it back to midfield? The same people would be bashing McDermott for not kicking it away.
It was a fantastic game decided by an absolute magician at QB. Buffalo played pretty good defense, a good pass rush, and enough coverage to force Mahomes to escape the pocket, but Mahomes kept making Mahomes plays. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap.
Maybe a squib kick forces them to run some time off the clock, but what if the KR brings it back to midfield? The same people would be bashing McDermott for not kicking it away.
A return that was long but not long enough to get all the way into FG range would have left time for only one more play, a Hail Mary.
And that is a big strategic consideration why you risk the return in that situation, rather than risk giving Mahomes two plays with two timeouts.
A return that was long but not long enough to get all the way into FG range would have left time for only one more play, a Hail Mary.
And that is a big strategic consideration why you risk the return in that situation, rather than risk giving Mahomes two plays with two timeouts.
And I'm presuming the approach of a lofted kick to the 5-15 yard line.
The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.
What's really insane about last night's game, IMO, is that even with all the back and forth scoring in the final two minutes, the Chiefs took the ball with 13 seconds left and still had all three of their timeouts.
Andy Reid used to be criticized for his clock management, but last night was a masterpiece, IMO. Buffalo had to defend the whole field (and Frazier's strategy was flawed regardless), but if KC was down to 0 or 1 timeouts at that point and had to play to the boundaries the whole way, it's a much easier situation to defend.
So magical!
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
Allen throwing a rocket for a td from 25 yards away in between converging safeties.
Mahomes running to his left, throwing back in the opposite direction and getting enough on the ball to get it downfield.
Kelce with a lb in his face and a step away from the sideline and getting his feet down.
The ridiculous speed and quickness up and down the KC roster of wideouts. We have one joystick guy who can't stay on the field- KC has like 4 of those guys- and they play.
The decathalon worthy stamina and athleticism of Allen.
The DC's and the defenders were trying to put these players in positions where the degree of difficulty was high and the great players were making the plays anyway. That's why they are great players.
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat.
Yes, KC deserves credit for taking advantage of the remaining time they had. Very true. Those two plays to get the FG attempt to get into OT were a combination of terrific play calling, talent, and executing.
But in order for that to work, IMV, poor strategy by the Bills coaching staff had to be involved.
Without that variable, the Bills are hosting the AFCC game against Cincinnati on Sunday.
We're a great QB away
So magical!
You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.
So magical!
You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?
Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.
And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.
If both teams score a touchdown, then each team gets another drive.
However, the rule has been this way since day 1, so Buffalo is far from the first team to feel hard done about this. It's not new.
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.
So magical!
You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?
Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.
And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.
There are no squabbles.
You know you're not really wanted here.
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.
So magical!
You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?
Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.
And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.
And literally everyone knows that you and Debaser are the same person.
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.
So magical!
You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?
Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.
And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.
And literally everyone knows that you and Debaser are the same person.
That's ridiculous. We're not. And if you were half as intelligent as you give yourself credit for, you could see it in our prose. I have tried to nail down Debaser on many points and can't get a sensible read on his opinions.
I understand you have some bone to pick with me. I've given you the benefit of the doubt, and tried to be nice. Even as you attack me, while adopting a lot of my positions from months ago.
We can be civil to each other, which I would like, or we could steer clear of each other. You can choose. But I have one account - this one. And I don't appreciate being dragged into your squabbles.
Now we're at 8 or 9 seconds vs 13
On the Chiefs 1st down play, grab and hold Hill and Kelce (hell, grab every eligible receiver) and get a defensive holding penalty.
Now we're at 3 seconds
You fair catch it and it goes to the 25 yardline.
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.
So magical!
You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?
Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.
And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.
And literally everyone knows that you and Debaser are the same person.
That's ridiculous. We're not. And if you were half as intelligent as you give yourself credit for, you could see it in our prose. I have tried to nail down Debaser on many points and can't get a sensible read on his opinions.
I understand you have some bone to pick with me. I've given you the benefit of the doubt, and tried to be nice. Even as you attack me, while adopting a lot of my positions from months ago.
We can be civil to each other, which I would like, or we could steer clear of each other. You can choose. But I have one account - this one. And I don't appreciate being dragged into your squabbles.
No way, different prosaic styles? Who would ever think of that as a digital fingerprint?!
You're over your skis. The mods just haven't gotten around to you yet.
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.
So magical!
You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?
Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.
And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.
And literally everyone knows that you and Debaser are the same person.
That's ridiculous. We're not. And if you were half as intelligent as you give yourself credit for, you could see it in our prose. I have tried to nail down Debaser on many points and can't get a sensible read on his opinions.
I understand you have some bone to pick with me. I've given you the benefit of the doubt, and tried to be nice. Even as you attack me, while adopting a lot of my positions from months ago.
We can be civil to each other, which I would like, or we could steer clear of each other. You can choose. But I have one account - this one. And I don't appreciate being dragged into your squabbles.
No way, different prosaic styles? Who would ever think of that as a digital fingerprint?!
You're over your skis. The mods just haven't gotten around to you yet.
Ok... how am I over my skis pray tell? Because I think QB requires innate talent?
Is that so radical?
Meanwhile, you wrote a long meditation on the idea that the Giants OL was not as awful as was stated by many in this space, a position, I had hammered by myself for a month.
Maybe you weren't smart enough to position it properly.
Go have some beyond meat, create a new handle, and we'll see you soon.
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I was the first person to make the case that the Giants OL was not as uniquely bad as folks were claiming, based on pressure stats
Maybe you weren't smart enough to position it properly.
Go have some beyond meat, create a new handle, and we'll see you soon.
nope it was pretty clear, and succinct. I made many mentions, but here's one I found from 11/8:
Through yesterday
Producer : 11/8/2021 11:59 am : link
Daniel Jones has received the 7th least pressure per dropback among NFL starting QBs @ 19.8%.
O-line all over the league are in distress and this figure suggests that the pressure Jones is receiving is not at all unusual.
Jones 110 yards third lowest passing yards total - ( New Window )