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Bills v Chiefs morning after

section125 : 1/24/2022 7:19 am
Great game with a sour finish, not because the Chiefs won, but because the Bills never got a chance to answer. Cannot believe any of the remaining games can be any better. Not sure either NFC team would beat either Buffalo or KC.

NFL needs to change OT rules so each team gets the ball at least once.

Both defenses were spent by the last 5 minutes of reg. If Buffalo wins the toss, they likely win, because there was nothing either DC could do to stop the opposing offense.

Bills should have squibbed the KO - it may have eaten time. It also may have given KC better field position with only a second off the clock. Personally, I do not think it makes a definite difference. Executing a decent squib is not as easy as it looks. Yes there is a chance one of the upbacks fumbles the ball, there is also a chance it gets recovered around the 30/35 yard line. Is something better than nothing. IDK.

Josh Allen runs like a TE, throws like Tom Brady. Please keep him healthy. There are no similar QBs in this draft that come near Allen. Possibly Mahomes in Willis.

Wasn't it nice to have the refs keep the hankies in the pockets. They let the boys play. Lesson for the Boogers and Hochulis of the world.

People want to blame Frazier, but Spags' defense was confused all night, too. The DCs can only call the plays, the players need to read and make the plays. Both sets of players were exhausted. (and no, I never wanted Frazier as HC)
I could say the same about both HCs.

Getting too critical about calls, plays and mistakes takes away from one of the best games played in the NFL in years. How about realizing those two QBs got everything they could and both teams left it on the field.
Looking at it from a singular perspective ... we’ll now find out  
Spider56 : 1/24/2022 7:23 am : link
sooner who the Giants coach will be.
maybe it's just me but I thought those games sucked. I find no  
Victor in CT : 1/24/2022 7:29 am : link
enjoyment in "last team that gets the ball wins". Bring back defense for God's sake.
RE: maybe it's just me but I thought those games sucked. I find no  
cjac : 1/24/2022 7:38 am : link
In comment 15571167 Victor in CT said:
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enjoyment in "last team that gets the ball wins". Bring back defense for God's sake.


Sf v GB was 13-10
The kickoff should have been short  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 7:41 am : link
Around 5-10 yard line. Force them to return it. There’s a reason why every team practices it.
This is the example  
Dankbeerman : 1/24/2022 7:41 am : link
of how the game is set up to be played in this era of football. I dont know what chance deffenses have anymore. Both D's were gassed by the end of the game. Both went hard after the QB but these 2 QB's made every play they could.

The only way to stop KC is for their starting tackles to get hurt again. You cant stop them otherwise and you cant outscore them.

Mahomes and KC has hosted the AFC Championship every year he was the starter.


This argument comes up after  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/24/2022 7:42 am : link
Every OT game

Stop the Chiefs one of the last 3x they had the ball and you don't have to worry about OT

Play D for 2 snaps and 13 seconds would have helped

It's on the Bills not the rules

Crazy bad loss for Bills. I'm sure it hurts.
Wanted the Bills to win  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/24/2022 7:45 am : link
But what an incredible game by two fantastic QBs. Neither team deserved to lose.
RE: This argument comes up after  
jeff57 : 1/24/2022 7:48 am : link
In comment 15571176 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Every OT game

Stop the Chiefs one of the last 3x they had the ball and you don't have to worry about OT

Play D for 2 snaps and 13 seconds would have helped

It's on the Bills not the rules

Crazy bad loss for Bills. I'm sure it hurts.


Yeah. Plus it used to be worse when all you had to do was kick a FG in the first possession.
Did you see  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/24/2022 7:50 am : link
Josh Allen on the last Bills drive? He was gassed, but he still made plays. With 13 seconds left, the Bills defense was poorly designed, gave up way too much space. Put a LB on Kelce's nose at the line to hold him up and run with him. Put 2 DBs on Hill at the line, play zone behind and make them beat you with Pringle, Hardman and McKinnon.
the bills 13 seconds issue  
hitdog42 : 1/24/2022 7:51 am : link
was not the kick-off. it was that they were playing defense like the chiefs had zero timeouts--- the chiefs had timeouts so the middle of the field was perfectly in play. the middle is where you get chunks. if they dropped more people and didnt concede the middle- they win. let them throw 15 yard outs who cares time runs after 2 of them
RE: the bills 13 seconds issue  
Big Blue '56 : 1/24/2022 7:55 am : link
In comment 15571189 hitdog42 said:
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was not the kick-off. it was that they were playing defense like the chiefs had zero timeouts--- the chiefs had timeouts so the middle of the field was perfectly in play. the middle is where you get chunks. if they dropped more people and didnt concede the middle- they win. let them throw 15 yard outs who cares time runs after 2 of them


OF COURSE it was THE issue. Squib it and nothing else ensues
That was one of the most fun games for me  
Heisenberg : 1/24/2022 7:56 am : link
that didn't involve the Giants winning. What a game! Those two QBs are incredible.
RE: the bills 13 seconds issue  
uconn18 : 1/24/2022 7:56 am : link
In comment 15571189 hitdog42 said:
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was not the kick-off. it was that they were playing defense like the chiefs had zero timeouts--- the chiefs had timeouts so the middle of the field was perfectly in play. the middle is where you get chunks. if they dropped more people and didnt concede the middle- they win. let them throw 15 yard outs who cares time runs after 2 of them

Exactly this.
They had 3 timeouts I believe. And with 13 seconds (3 plays worth of time) there is zero incentive to get out of bounds.
And the bills played it like they needed to get out of bounds.
RE: Did you see  
chitt17 : 1/24/2022 7:57 am : link
In comment 15571185 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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Josh Allen on the last Bills drive? He was gassed, but he still made plays. With 13 seconds left, the Bills defense was poorly designed, gave up way too much space. Put a LB on Kelce's nose at the line to hold him up and run with him. Put 2 DBs on Hill at the line, play zone behind and make them beat you with Pringle, Hardman and McKinnon.



Nope..... Tackle Hill and Kelsey at the line. along with other threats.... take the 5 yard penalty.... less time is now on the clock.
RE: the bills 13 seconds issue  
Essex : 1/24/2022 7:59 am : link
In comment 15571189 hitdog42 said:
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was not the kick-off. it was that they were playing defense like the chiefs had zero timeouts--- the chiefs had timeouts so the middle of the field was perfectly in play. the middle is where you get chunks. if they dropped more people and didnt concede the middle- they win. let them throw 15 yard outs who cares time runs after 2 of them


They were obviously afraid of letting a guy like Hill catch the ball and go all the way, so they gave up the middle of the field so that they could make sure there was always a guy back that can tackle him. They kind of didn’t pay attention to Kelce for some reason though.
I saw one defender that impressed me with his physical  
No Where Man : 1/24/2022 8:06 am : link
pass rush..... KC's Melvin Ingram. Anyone else see him club the Buffalo RT?
All weekend I just kept thinking to myself that the Giants  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/24/2022 8:06 am : link
as it stands right now, aren't even playing the same sport at the teams that competed in these 4 Divisional Playoff games this weekend. It was pure enjoyment watching football at this level and the Giants...I don't even know where to begin...are years and years away.
RE: RE: Did  
5BowlsSoon : 1/24/2022 8:06 am : link
In comment 15571199 chitt17 said:
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Josh Allen on the last Bills drive? He was gassed, but he still made plays. With 13 seconds left, the Bills defense was poorly designed, gave up way too much space. Put a LB on Kelce's nose at the line to hold him up and run with him. Put 2 DBs on Hill at the line, play zone behind and make them beat you with Pringle, Hardman and McKinnon.




Nope..... Tackle Hill and Kelsey at the line. along with other threats.... take the 5 yard penalty.... less time is now on the clock.
RE: Smart man  
5BowlsSoon : 1/24/2022 8:07 am : link
In comment 15571199 chitt17 said:
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Josh Allen on the last Bills drive? He was gassed, but he still made plays. With 13 seconds left, the Bills defense was poorly designed, gave up way too much space. Put a LB on Kelce's nose at the line to hold him up and run with him. Put 2 DBs on Hill at the line, play zone behind and make them beat you with Pringle, Hardman and McKinnon.




Nope..... Tackle Hill and Kelsey at the line. along with other threats.... take the 5 yard penalty.... less time is now on the clock.


Great idea….too bad their DC didn’t think of it.
Squib is NOT the way to go  
Matt M. : 1/24/2022 8:15 am : link
There is a high likelihood of as good or better field position with basically the same time on the clock when they immediately take a knee.

The move there is the pup kick. It doesn't have to be perfectly placed at the 5 as so many suggest. It just needs to be fielded inside the 20 or 15. A fair catch saves time but yields valuable yardage, which is significant with that little time. A return takes off valuable time and most likely doesn't get them past the 25 anyway. Returns on those populous tend to be very minimal

Regardless, their next 2 defensive calls were atrocious. That is where the game should have been won. Instead, that was like watching the Giants of the last several years giving up the FG to tie like that
give me a break with the complaining about OT rules  
KDavies : 1/24/2022 8:19 am : link
Bills had every chance to win at the end of regulation and they blew it. If the defense can't hold an opponent to a FG with the game on the line in OT, you don't deserve to win
Good post  
UberAlias : 1/24/2022 8:33 am : link
IMO
RE: maybe it's just me but I thought those games sucked. I find no  
Blueblue : 1/24/2022 8:33 am : link
In comment 15571167 Victor in CT said:
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enjoyment in "last team that gets the ball wins". Bring back defense for God's sake.


I agree 100% defense was basically pointless.

That said the o/t rules should not be be changed. The defense is part of the game too and if you want a chance to win they need to step up.
Stop with the squib kick already  
Mike from Ohio : 1/24/2022 8:38 am : link
Do you all understand that the clock doesn't start until someone touches the ball? Unless someone boots it, you would have taken 1 second off the clock with a squib. You then also run the risk of it bouncing out of bounds and starting them at the 40 when all they need is a FG.

The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.
RE: All weekend I just kept thinking to myself that the Giants  
Jints in Carolina : 1/24/2022 8:46 am : link
In comment 15571214 Bold Ruler said:
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as it stands right now, aren't even playing the same sport at the teams that competed in these 4 Divisional Playoff games this weekend. It was pure enjoyment watching football at this level and the Giants...I don't even know where to begin...are years and years away.


Me too man...it's depressing
Nobody wants Hill or Kelce to get behind a defense  
Jimmy Googs : 1/24/2022 8:46 am : link
but there has to be some kind of jamming, re-routing, squeezing of those guys coming off the LOS. Not sure I would care if they were held a bit either and risk the penalty.

Mahomes really just took what the Defense gave him which was two huge chunk plays to get into quick FG range...easy pickings.

Congrats to KC though. They earned every bit of it.
RE: Stop with the squib kick already  
jeff57 : 1/24/2022 8:51 am : link
In comment 15571257 Mike from Ohio said:
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Do you all understand that the clock doesn't start until someone touches the ball? Unless someone boots it, you would have taken 1 second off the clock with a squib. You then also run the risk of it bouncing out of bounds and starting them at the 40 when all they need is a FG.

The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.


What about kicking it in the air, but short of the goal line
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riceneggs : 1/24/2022 8:57 am : link
Kick the ball to the 5, make them return it.

Now we're at 8 or 9 seconds vs 13

On the Chiefs 1st down play, grab and hold Hill and Kelce (hell, grab every eligible receiver) and get a defensive holding penalty.

Now we're at 3 seconds

RE: Stop with the squib kick already  
riceneggs : 1/24/2022 8:59 am : link
In comment 15571257 Mike from Ohio said:
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Do you all understand that the clock doesn't start until someone touches the ball? Unless someone boots it, you would have taken 1 second off the clock with a squib. You then also run the risk of it bouncing out of bounds and starting them at the 40 when all they need is a FG.

The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.


Yea, I agree. The squib was not the better option cause a player can just fall on it and give himself up.

Kicking it to the 5 would've made more sense
Bills are as good as any team in the NFL  
DavidinBMNY : 1/24/2022 9:00 am : link
Sure there are some questionable calls, etc. They just went toe to toe with KC in KC and could have won.

I'll take it.
RE: RE: Stop with the squib kick already  
Mike from Ohio : 1/24/2022 9:05 am : link
In comment 15571288 jeff57 said:
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Do you all understand that the clock doesn't start until someone touches the ball? Unless someone boots it, you would have taken 1 second off the clock with a squib. You then also run the risk of it bouncing out of bounds and starting them at the 40 when all they need is a FG.

The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.



What about kicking it in the air, but short of the goal line


That could work if your kicker can place it inside the 20 but not have it cross the goal line. Kick it near the 25 and it is a fair catch and no time comes off the clock, kick it too deep and it goes in the end zone.

It would be a better strategy than a squib kick.
i am not a chiefs fan and no the rules don't need to change  
MartyNJ1969 : 1/24/2022 9:05 am : link
The Bills lost because they didn't squib kick the kickoff. Plain and simple. 13 seconds left, a Squid kick would have taken at least 3 seconds off that clock
RE: All weekend I just kept thinking to myself that the Giants  
Beer Man : 1/24/2022 9:27 am : link
In comment 15571214 Bold Ruler said:
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as it stands right now, aren't even playing the same sport at the teams that competed in these 4 Divisional Playoff games this weekend. It was pure enjoyment watching football at this level and the Giants...I don't even know where to begin...are years and years away.
Maybe they are not as far away as you might think.
RE: i am not a chiefs fan and no the rules don't need to change  
Mike from Ohio : 1/24/2022 9:58 am : link
In comment 15571327 MartyNJ1969 said:
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The Bills lost because they didn't squib kick the kickoff. Plain and simple. 13 seconds left, a Squid kick would have taken at least 3 seconds off that clock


How would that have taken 3 seconds off the clock? The clock does not start when the ball is kicked, it's starts when someone touches it. Squib it to the 40 and an upback falls on it and gives himself up and you take one second off the clock.

And the Chiefs kicked the winning FG with 4 seconds left. Taking 3 seconds off the clock would have made zero difference.
RE: The kickoff should have been short  
Section331 : 1/24/2022 10:07 am : link
In comment 15571171 GNewGiants said:
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Around 5-10 yard line. Force them to return it. There’s a reason why every team practices it.


Come on, that's a lot easier said than done. Hey pooch kick it, but don't make it too short so they can fair catch it, and don't make it too long that it goes into the end zone! Got it?

Maybe a squib kick forces them to run some time off the clock, but what if the KR brings it back to midfield? The same people would be bashing McDermott for not kicking it away.

It was a fantastic game decided by an absolute magician at QB. Buffalo played pretty good defense, a good pass rush, and enough coverage to force Mahomes to escape the pocket, but Mahomes kept making Mahomes plays. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap.
RE: RE: The kickoff should have been short  
shyster : 1/24/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15571550 Section331 said:
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Maybe a squib kick forces them to run some time off the clock, but what if the KR brings it back to midfield? The same people would be bashing McDermott for not kicking it away.


A return that was long but not long enough to get all the way into FG range would have left time for only one more play, a Hail Mary.

And that is a big strategic consideration why you risk the return in that situation, rather than risk giving Mahomes two plays with two timeouts.
RE: RE: RE: The kickoff should have been short  
shyster : 1/24/2022 10:39 am : link
In comment 15571611 shyster said:
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A return that was long but not long enough to get all the way into FG range would have left time for only one more play, a Hail Mary.

And that is a big strategic consideration why you risk the return in that situation, rather than risk giving Mahomes two plays with two timeouts.


And I'm presuming the approach of a lofted kick to the 5-15 yard line.
RE: Stop with the squib kick already  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/24/2022 10:59 am : link
In comment 15571257 Mike from Ohio said:
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Do you all understand that the clock doesn't start until someone touches the ball? Unless someone boots it, you would have taken 1 second off the clock with a squib. You then also run the risk of it bouncing out of bounds and starting them at the 40 when all they need is a FG.

The Chiefs got into FG range with 4 seconds left on the clock.
Squibbing the kickoff or kicking it through the end zone made zero difference in the outcome of that game.

What's really insane about last night's game, IMO, is that even with all the back and forth scoring in the final two minutes, the Chiefs took the ball with 13 seconds left and still had all three of their timeouts.

Andy Reid used to be criticized for his clock management, but last night was a masterpiece, IMO. Buffalo had to defend the whole field (and Frazier's strategy was flawed regardless), but if KC was down to 0 or 1 timeouts at that point and had to play to the boundaries the whole way, it's a much easier situation to defend.
Rooting for the Bills,  
Bill in UT : 1/24/2022 11:31 am : link
I was disappointed. The OL did not do a great job protecting Allen, especially the RT. I did not like all those designed plays with Allen running the ball- yeah, he made a bunch of big first downs, but he's getting bounded. I don't see that going well in the long run. I much preferred Mahome's use of running when nothing is available downfield. Why weren't they able to get Diggs into the game? Was the coverage that great? Bills had a good pass rush, but were not able to finish. I don't remember them blitzing at all, but with 7 guys back they still didn't do a great job covering. And, yes, I do understand how great Mahomes is, but they still needed to beat him to be the top team. Their coverage was not good- Hill and Kelce were open all day. Their tackling was awful. If we're going to bring some of this coaching staff over here, I was hoping to see more to look forward to than I did. Yes, they played a great team, but we still have some options of getting coaches from the remaining other great teams. I wonder how hard we're looking at those with Schoen as GM
It's classic Roger Stokoe "Goody" Goodell  
LoveFootball : 1/24/2022 1:14 pm : link
OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.

So magical!
Dont blame the OT rules for the Bills loss  
Rudy5757 : 1/24/2022 2:35 pm : link
The game has 3 phases, O, D & STs. Its not just offense. The Bills had the game won but the D failed on 2 occasions to stop the Chiefs in regulation. They should have kicked the ball in play to force a few seconds off the clock so they failed on STs. Then they failed in OT to stop the Chiefs best players from winning the game. This is an Epic fail on the coaching from the Bills. Overtime rules were put in place to stop the cheap FG. If the Bills would have coached till the end they would have probably won. But they were out coached in the last 14 seconds of the game. Dont blame the rules blame the coaches for mismanagement.
RE: The kickoff should have been short  
MotownGIANTS : 1/24/2022 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15571171 GNewGiants said:
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Around 5-10 yard line. Force them to return it. There’s a reason why every team practices it.


EXACTLY!!!!!!!
Sometimes great players make great plays  
HomerJones45 : 1/24/2022 3:02 pm : link
and no amount of planning will stop it.

Allen throwing a rocket for a td from 25 yards away in between converging safeties.

Mahomes running to his left, throwing back in the opposite direction and getting enough on the ball to get it downfield.

Kelce with a lb in his face and a step away from the sideline and getting his feet down.

The ridiculous speed and quickness up and down the KC roster of wideouts. We have one joystick guy who can't stay on the field- KC has like 4 of those guys- and they play.

The decathalon worthy stamina and athleticism of Allen.

The DC's and the defenders were trying to put these players in positions where the degree of difficulty was high and the great players were making the plays anyway. That's why they are great players.

Sometimes you just have to tip your hat.
HJ45  
LG in NYC : 1/24/2022 3:08 pm : link
No matter how often i watch them I am always amazed at the team speed KC has.
RE: Sometimes great players make great plays  
bw in dc : 1/24/2022 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15572226 HomerJones45 said:
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and no amount of planning will stop it.



Yes, KC deserves credit for taking advantage of the remaining time they had. Very true. Those two plays to get the FG attempt to get into OT were a combination of terrific play calling, talent, and executing.

But in order for that to work, IMV, poor strategy by the Bills coaching staff had to be involved.

Without that variable, the Bills are hosting the AFCC game against Cincinnati on Sunday.
RE: All weekend I just kept thinking to myself that the Giants  
adamg : 1/24/2022 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15571214 Bold Ruler said:
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as it stands right now, aren't even playing the same sport at the teams that competed in these 4 Divisional Playoff games this weekend. It was pure enjoyment watching football at this level and the Giants...I don't even know where to begin...are years and years away.


We're a great QB away
RE: It's classic Roger Stokoe  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/24/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15571969 LoveFootball said:
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.

So magical!

You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?
RE: RE: It's classic Roger Stokoe  
Producer : 1/24/2022 4:35 pm : link
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.

So magical!


You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?


Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.

And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.
from day 1 I've never liked the OT rules  
islander1 : 1/24/2022 4:38 pm : link
Each team should get one possession, and keep playing until a team can't finish a drive.

If both teams score a touchdown, then each team gets another drive.

However, the rule has been this way since day 1, so Buffalo is far from the first team to feel hard done about this. It's not new.
RE: RE: RE: It's classic Roger Stokoe  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/24/2022 4:38 pm : link
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.

So magical!


You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?



Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.

And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.

There are no squabbles.

You know you're not really wanted here.
RE: RE: RE: It's classic Roger Stokoe  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/24/2022 4:39 pm : link
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.

So magical!


You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?



Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.

And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.

And literally everyone knows that you and Debaser are the same person.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's classic Roger Stokoe  
Producer : 1/24/2022 4:44 pm : link
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.

So magical!


You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?



Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.

And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.


And literally everyone knows that you and Debaser are the same person.


That's ridiculous. We're not. And if you were half as intelligent as you give yourself credit for, you could see it in our prose. I have tried to nail down Debaser on many points and can't get a sensible read on his opinions.

I understand you have some bone to pick with me. I've given you the benefit of the doubt, and tried to be nice. Even as you attack me, while adopting a lot of my positions from months ago.

We can be civil to each other, which I would like, or we could steer clear of each other. You can choose. But I have one account - this one. And I don't appreciate being dragged into your squabbles.
RE: ....  
section125 : 1/24/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15571293 riceneggs said:
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Kick the ball to the 5, make them return it.

Now we're at 8 or 9 seconds vs 13

On the Chiefs 1st down play, grab and hold Hill and Kelce (hell, grab every eligible receiver) and get a defensive holding penalty.

Now we're at 3 seconds


You fair catch it and it goes to the 25 yardline.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's classic Roger Stokoe  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/24/2022 4:48 pm : link
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.

So magical!


You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?



Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.

And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.


And literally everyone knows that you and Debaser are the same person.



That's ridiculous. We're not. And if you were half as intelligent as you give yourself credit for, you could see it in our prose. I have tried to nail down Debaser on many points and can't get a sensible read on his opinions.

I understand you have some bone to pick with me. I've given you the benefit of the doubt, and tried to be nice. Even as you attack me, while adopting a lot of my positions from months ago.

We can be civil to each other, which I would like, or we could steer clear of each other. You can choose. But I have one account - this one. And I don't appreciate being dragged into your squabbles.

No way, different prosaic styles? Who would ever think of that as a digital fingerprint?!

You're over your skis. The mods just haven't gotten around to you yet.
Pretty sure he's Denny  
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OT was horrific long before last night. Goody has done his best to destroy what was once a great sport.

So magical!


You probably belong in the Producer/Debaser bin, right?



Please don't drag me into your squabbles with other posters. I love today's game. All my posts are about acknowledging the changing strategies in today's NFL and adopting them. That is my main point. I never lament the changing strategies in the NFL.

And while you think you are Columbo regarding dupes, my opinions couldn't differ more from Debaser.


And literally everyone knows that you and Debaser are the same person.



That's ridiculous. We're not. And if you were half as intelligent as you give yourself credit for, you could see it in our prose. I have tried to nail down Debaser on many points and can't get a sensible read on his opinions.

I understand you have some bone to pick with me. I've given you the benefit of the doubt, and tried to be nice. Even as you attack me, while adopting a lot of my positions from months ago.

We can be civil to each other, which I would like, or we could steer clear of each other. You can choose. But I have one account - this one. And I don't appreciate being dragged into your squabbles.


No way, different prosaic styles? Who would ever think of that as a digital fingerprint?!

You're over your skis. The mods just haven't gotten around to you yet.


Ok... how am I over my skis pray tell? Because I think QB requires innate talent?

Is that so radical?

Meanwhile, you wrote a long meditation on the idea that the Giants OL was not as awful as was stated by many in this space, a position, I had hammered by myself for a month.
And I would add  
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I was the first person to make the case that the Giants OL was not as uniquely bad as folks were claiming, based on pressure stats
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Gatorade Dunk : 1/24/2022 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15572556 Producer said:
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I was the first person to make the case that the Giants OL was not as uniquely bad as folks were claiming, based on pressure stats

Maybe you weren't smart enough to position it properly.

Go have some beyond meat, create a new handle, and we'll see you soon.
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I was the first person to make the case that the Giants OL was not as uniquely bad as folks were claiming, based on pressure stats


Maybe you weren't smart enough to position it properly.

Go have some beyond meat, create a new handle, and we'll see you soon.


nope it was pretty clear, and succinct. I made many mentions, but here's one I found from 11/8:

Through yesterday
Producer : 11/8/2021 11:59 am : link
Daniel Jones has received the 7th least pressure per dropback among NFL starting QBs @ 19.8%.

O-line all over the league are in distress and this figure suggests that the pressure Jones is receiving is not at all unusual.
Jones 110 yards third lowest passing yards total - ( New Window )
and your overlong treatise is dated 11/29  
Producer : 1/24/2022 6:06 pm : link
at least you could have credited me.. lol
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