Divisional round is over, who do you want as HC?

After watching that game last night, need an offensive, aggressive mind running this team.

Rather a QB who can sling it like Allen, Mahomes, Stafford, Rodgers, Burrow, etc…

Shanahan.

And then let's see the coordinators.

Let's do this..

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I'm not sold on Flores. I'm pretty underwhelmed with the choices so far. It doesn't mean they won't work but why only interview people you know?

Then Payton. Then Daboll. After that, not sure.

to get Flores and Dorsey as OC

I love Flores, but I see the product on the field from Daboll.

In comment 15571195 robbieballs2003 said:

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I'm not sold on Flores. I'm pretty underwhelmed with the choices so far. It doesn't mean they won't work but why only interview people you know?

Who do you want them to interview? There just arent any surefire choices for HC in this year's cycle

In comment 15571224 Snablats said:

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In comment 15571195 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: I'm not sold on Flores. I'm pretty underwhelmed with the choices so far. It doesn't mean they won't work but why only interview people you know? Who do you want them to interview? There just arent any surefire choices for HC in this year's cycle

Ryans absolutely should have been interviewed. McDaniel probably should have been interviewed. Kevin O'Connell is another name. We complain about the GM interviews that have taken place under Mara prior to this year because it was only people he knew. Now Schoen seems to be doing the same and this should be acceptable? It hurts nobody to cast a wide net. I hope Schoen gets it right.

After him, I think Quinn as HC + some great thinking OC works with me. As for Daboll, I still think Josh Allen makes him look so great. We don’t have a Josh Allen, do we?

Leslie Frazier

who have barely been coordinators, two of whom no one had ever heard of until this month, and have even less track record to determine if they can handle being a head coach would make the search less underwhelming?

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who have barely been coordinators, two of whom no one had ever heard of until this month, and have even less track record to determine if they can handle being a head coach would make the search less underwhelming?

Are you fuckin serious? Yes but it doesn't stop there. Calling playings isn't a prerequisite for being a HC. In fact it is way down the list of important things that a HC will need. You are ridiculous. Does interviewing more candidates make it a more realistic search? Of course. Mike Tomlin was a DC for one year before becoming a HC. McVay was how old when he was hired?

Not happening after Schoen was hired. Both those guys want to pick the GM.

Even the ones you want to interview

Demeco Ryans

In comment 15571262 Snablats said:

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Even the ones you want to interview

In your eyes. Everything I'm reading about Ryans screams HC. Everything I'm reading about KO is that he's the next in the line if McVay, Shanahan, LeFluer. I don't understand how anybody can be against casting a wide net. It also validates Daboll more if he is hired in my eyes just like having Schoen and Peters take it down to the wire.

until the Giants interview a young, innovative offensive mind who has extensive experience as an NFL HC with at least one Superbowl title.

Sorry folks, but the guy who comes closest to that description (although not really young) is Doug Pederson.

Otherwise you are looking for an experienced coach with warts or a young up and comer who is an unknown.

He arrived in Buffalo and worked on a total rebuild. That’s valuable experience and will help him here, if he is hired.

This should be a must read:
evolution of bills josh allen and brian daboll offense - ( New Window )

Getting ridiculous, just like a Mike points out. The candidates are very strong with several very credible and obviously capable guys in the mix. We are lucky.

Maybe they feel Ryans and O'Connell are too young and would get eaten up in this market. Maybe they've already heard through back channels that neither one of them would make the move to the Giants. Maybe they think if we're going to have another first timer he's got to have more track record than those two, since Judge had no track record

supporters.

What about last nights game said "this guy is creative with his play calling?"

I don't see creativity, I see an offense with a top 7-10 QB who bails out his OC. They're in that game b/c of Allen's ability to run and make plays + a couple miscues from KC secondary.

They haven't had an RB over 1000 yards since 2017, the year before Daboll took over as OC. How much of an impact is Daboll on Allen vs Allen growing as a player OR Ken Dorsey being the QB coach?

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supporters. What about last nights game said "this guy is creative with his play calling?" I don't see creativity, I see an offense with a top 7-10 QB who bails out his OC. They're in that game b/c of Allen's ability to run and make plays + a couple miscues from KC secondary. They haven't had an RB over 1000 yards since 2017, the year before Daboll took over as OC. How much of an impact is Daboll on Allen vs Allen growing as a player OR Ken Dorsey being the QB coach?

If you are really interested and not just asking rhetorically, then read the article I posed. Allen didn't walk into the NFL as some great pro ready QB who tore it up. There was a lot that went into it and Daboll was at the center.

roster is very impressive ... and I believe Peters played a major role in doing it. Oh well. That ship has sailed and it is what it is. I just hope Shane Is smart enough to hire the right guy.

we'd interview an offensive minded, Super Bowl winning HC.

Doug Pederson.

but if Daboll's the guy, I'm all in. I'd definitely bring Pederson in for an interview. There are open questions about his role in the week 17 tank game in 2020, and his lack of success after Reich left, but I'd want to hear him out.

Not saying he shouldn't get the job. I honestly don't know. Flores with his warts has won with an average QB and average or less team. Not sure about him either. Big decision. Huh maybe neither of those get the job.

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roster is very impressive ... and I believe Peters played a major role in doing it. Oh well. That ship has sailed and it is what it is. I just hope Shane Is smart enough to hire the right guy.

All fair, but it is hard to not like how Buffalo built its roster. They had the #1 defense and #2 offense. They built a very good OL without one of them being a 1st rounder. And Buffalo will never be a good FA destination, so they have some disadvantages SF does not.

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Not saying he shouldn't get the job. I honestly don't know. Flores with his warts has won with an average QB and average or less team. Not sure about him either. Big decision. Huh maybe neither of those get the job.

He had the 10th ranked offense with Tyrod Taylor as his QB, and why shouldn't he get at least some credit for how good Allen is? This is the one thing about the "but he has Josh Allen" takes that I don't get. Josh Allen's mechanics were a hot mess coming out of Wyoming. He literally could not throw to his left. His footwork was awful. His accuracy was awful. His decision-making was poor.

All credit in the world to Allen for working so hard to overcome those bad habits, but who guided him? Why would that guy be a bada hire for a team looking for someone to guide the QB they have, or the one they will draft?

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This should be a must read: evolution of bills josh allen and brian daboll offense - ( New Window )

That is a great article, Uber. Thank you for posting it.

The most important thing the next coach will have to accomplish is developing a young QB based on coaching and scheming to his strengths. That is exactly what Daboll did with Allen.

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In comment 15571381 Blue21 said: Quote: Not saying he shouldn't get the job. I honestly don't know. Flores with his warts has won with an average QB and average or less team. Not sure about him either. Big decision. Huh maybe neither of those get the job. He had the 10th ranked offense with Tyrod Taylor as his QB, and why shouldn't he get at least some credit for how good Allen is? This is the one thing about the "but he has Josh Allen" takes that I don't get. Josh Allen's mechanics were a hot mess coming out of Wyoming. He literally could not throw to his left. His footwork was awful. His accuracy was awful. His decision-making was poor. All credit in the world to Allen for working so hard to overcome those bad habits, but who guided him? Why would that guy be a bada hire for a team looking for someone to guide the QB they have, or the one they will draft?

What stat are you basing the 10th ranked offense on? Based on PFF offensive rankings, in 2018 and 2019 the Bills were ranked in the bottom third of the league.

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Leslie Frazier

Got that right!

based on the talent assembled. I don't want someone who is going to be reliant on the hope of having the next Mahomes/Allen.

Reality is you will be fortunate to have a very good QB who has some flaws. You still have to find a way.

In comment 15571195 robbieballs2003 said:

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I'm not sold on Flores. I'm pretty underwhelmed with the choices so far. It doesn't mean they won't work but why only interview people you know?

+1

and quick !!!!!

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In comment 15571381 Blue21 said: Quote: Not saying he shouldn't get the job. I honestly don't know. Flores with his warts has won with an average QB and average or less team. Not sure about him either. Big decision. Huh maybe neither of those get the job. He had the 10th ranked offense with Tyrod Taylor as his QB, and why shouldn't he get at least some credit for how good Allen is? This is the one thing about the "but he has Josh Allen" takes that I don't get. Josh Allen's mechanics were a hot mess coming out of Wyoming. He literally could not throw to his left. His footwork was awful. His accuracy was awful. His decision-making was poor. All credit in the world to Allen for working so hard to overcome those bad habits, but who guided him? Why would that guy be a bada hire for a team looking for someone to guide the QB they have, or the one they will draft?

You sold me. That's the answer I was hoping for.

He seems to have an understanding of the importance of play action, pre-snap motion, early down aggressiveness...the things that put points on the board.

If you're not scoring 25 PPG you're probably not competing. Time to score points.

In comment 15571299 UberAlias said:

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This should be a must read: evolution of bills josh allen and brian daboll offense - ( New Window )

Good link. Jordan Palmer and Ken Dorsey also deserve credit for working on Allen's mechanics and his mindset.

pay him the asking price. So Daboll should do just fine.

In comment 15571536 gmenrule said:

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and quick !!!!!

His grandson is available (Chargers OC Joe Lombardi)

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an article posted in the pinned Daboll 2nd interview thread. He changed his offensive philosophy from what he did in his first NFL go-round to unlock Allen.

Its a really good breakdown

They had success with Tyrod Taylor before Beane and Daboll showed up.

In comment 15571460 jestersdead said:

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In comment 15571406 Section331 said: Quote: In comment 15571381 Blue21 said: Quote: Not saying he shouldn't get the job. I honestly don't know. Flores with his warts has won with an average QB and average or less team. Not sure about him either. Big decision. Huh maybe neither of those get the job. He had the 10th ranked offense with Tyrod Taylor as his QB, and why shouldn't he get at least some credit for how good Allen is? This is the one thing about the "but he has Josh Allen" takes that I don't get. Josh Allen's mechanics were a hot mess coming out of Wyoming. He literally could not throw to his left. His footwork was awful. His accuracy was awful. His decision-making was poor. All credit in the world to Allen for working so hard to overcome those bad habits, but who guided him? Why would that guy be a bada hire for a team looking for someone to guide the QB they have, or the one they will draft? What stat are you basing the 10th ranked offense on? Based on PFF offensive rankings, in 2018 and 2019 the Bills were ranked in the bottom third of the league.

Look at 2017, that's when Taylor was QB, Allen was QB in 2018 and 2019.

Flores has PROVEN he can do this job and do it well. Brian Daboll hasn’t, but I’d prefer him to Dan Quinn or Leslie Frazier.

Harbough or Payton would be the pie in the sky.
Flores or Pederson are likely in the more realistic category.
Dan Quinn is somewhat intriguing and like Flores who his offensive coordinator is would be important.

I'm in between on Daboll, who is obviously pretty well regarded but his key play calls yesterday seemed to be "give it to Josh and let him run over people or make an amazing throw".

out of the 5 experienced options above and with at least 4 available or rumored interested in the job it seems like 1 of them should be the pick. I doubt Payton is available but I'd give up a first round pick for him (ideally the 2023 pick).

And bring in Dorsey with him.

was a pro bowler in 2015, long before Beane and Daboll were on the scene.

In comment 15571314 Snablats said:

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Maybe they feel Ryans and O'Connell are too young and would get eaten up in this market. Maybe they've already heard through back channels that neither one of them would make the move to the Giants. Maybe they think if we're going to have another first timer he's got to have more track record than those two, since Judge had no track record

You must realize how stupid this post is. Who is they? The owners? It has been reported that Schoen has full control. Secondly, who the fuck hires a GM based on a HCing candidate they never met? You don't hire a GM based on a HC. Such a ridiculous comment. And thirdly, I never said I wanted one of the other coaches. I said I want to interview many different coaches. Nobody can convince me it is better to only interview a small group of people you know vs. those you know and those you don't.