I sure hope he can bring Ken Dorsey with him as OC
This needs to stop being brought up.
If the Giants hire Daboll the Bills are going to block any Dorsey interview for OC because they are just going to make him their OC... Just like they blocked Judge from interviewing Daboll.
If you want Dorsey you are going to have to hire him as HC unless Buffalo cans him.
OC/QB Coach name to watch - Shea Tierny
He's followed Daboll from Alabama and Allen credits him a ton for their success.
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More recently, Allen expanded on that thought with this money quote on what Tierney means to the organization: “He’s the most underpaid person working for the Bills, I’ll tell you that. He does so much for this team and this offense.”
“He's been here since day one,” Allen continued. “He's basically Daboll’s right-hand man. He makes all the cut-ups. He makes all the install pages. He runs our scout defense. Just the energy and juice that he brings, too, he's just one of the guys and he loves football. That's what I love about him.
Why has it taken him 22 years to get a real head coaching shot?
feels like a long time
Sometimes guys are just a victim of circumstances. In his prior OC stops before Buffalo his QB's were Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Cassel and Matt Moore. Hell, even Daniel Jones might be better than any of those guys. Before anyone gets all hot and bothered, that's an indictment on how bad those guys were, not an endorsement of Jones.
for this franchise. Defense in the playoffs and a big play QB with a running game.
For those who say what about the 2011 team. Point totals for the playoffs the D let up. 3, 20. 21, 21. QB's faced. Ryan, Smith, Rodgers, Brady.
Whoever is the HC I hope they know the blueprint.
I really hope we are not hiring anyone who is trying to figure out how to win a championship by looking backwards several decades to a game that was much different than today's game.
Several decades? There was commonality in all four that are still applicable today. Physicality is the kryptonite to a high flying offense. I'll take that over relying on the hope of landing a generational QB and that they can stay healthy. Simple principles still will win today.
A little Defense would have been helpful last night. Look at the 49ers, they play great D and good enough offense with a high flying offensive HC. D still wins championships. However, I'd still like Daboll over Flores...but Quinn over both.
night was they could not run between the tackles effectively. To beat Kansas City you need to win the play count imv.
I thought Reid had great respect for Allen and I noticed he tried to stay with the ground game and it worked well until the injuries hit the secondary. Then McDermott gifted him a second chance.
I hope he comes and brings Mitch Trubisky for some competition at QB. I am still a believer in DJ, but Mitch would be a big upgrade at #2 and he can help teach the offense.
I hope he comes and brings Mitch Trubisky for some competition at QB. I am still a believer in DJ, but Mitch would be a big upgrade at #2 and he can help teach the offense.
It's entirely plausible that Trubisky beats Jones out in a qb competition if that's the direction they go in.
Regardless of what Mara said, it was a package deal once they decided
was terrible. They ranked 30th in rushing yards that year. Coaching and having some star players step up and make plays is important (Eli, Nicks, Cruz, MM, Tuck, JPP, etc.).
Funny how Zeigler is close to all pro material at RG in Cleveland and in Baltimore, but was not very good with NYG. Maybe coaching has something to do with it???
You are right about the offensive line, but they played solid towards the end of the season and especially in the playoffs. It was the last push from Mckenzie, snee and diehl plus they got something out of bass, beatty and boothe.
They also had a defensive line of Osi, Tuck, JPP and Canty.
open. He’s got some nice concepts. Our offense won’t be an antiquated, bottom of the league offense. In fact, with the right personel, I think we can be at least a lot more competitive. Oline will be huge to our success and I am curious as to how that will be addressed this off-season.
was terrible. They ranked 30th in rushing yards that year. Coaching and having some star players step up and make plays is important (Eli, Nicks, Cruz, MM, Tuck, JPP, etc.).
Funny how Zeigler is close to all pro material at RG in Cleveland and in Baltimore, but was not very good with NYG. Maybe coaching has something to do with it???
You are right about the offensive line, but they played solid towards the end of the season and especially in the playoffs. It was the last push from Mckenzie, snee and diehl plus they got something out of bass, beatty and boothe.
They also had a defensive line of Osi, Tuck, JPP and Canty.
That team came together at the right time. The defense stepped up as did the OL. And Jacobs and Bradshaw were hurting most of the early season (IIRC) and finally got a bit healthy right before the playoff run.
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Brian Daboll's actual interview with the Giants will take place at the team facility on Tuesday. Sounds like he is coming downstate later today to be in place for the morning meeting, which created some timeline confusion. Just as Quinn was here yesterday for today's interview.
was terrible. They ranked 30th in rushing yards that year. Coaching and having some star players step up and make plays is important (Eli, Nicks, Cruz, MM, Tuck, JPP, etc.).
Funny how Zeigler is close to all pro material at RG in Cleveland and in Baltimore, but was not very good with NYG. Maybe coaching has something to do with it???
You are right about the offensive line, but they played solid towards the end of the season and especially in the playoffs. It was the last push from Mckenzie, snee and diehl plus they got something out of bass, beatty and boothe.
They also had a defensive line of Osi, Tuck, JPP and Canty.
That team came together at the right time. The defense stepped up as did the OL. And Jacobs and Bradshaw were hurting most of the early season (IIRC) and finally got a bit healthy right before the playoff run.
And obviously Eli just took it to a whole other level.
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That said, I would not be shocked if there are dinner plans between some Giants decision-makers and Daboll for tonight.
1) Has the qualifications for a 1st time HC
2) Is a known quantity (as a person / coach) by the GM
3) Apparently has a good working relationship with the GM (personality, alignment of vision, etc.)
Nothing is guaranteed. Our team might suck. He might be a bad HC, whatever. But those 3 things are a good foundation.
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1) Has the qualifications for a 1st time HC
2) Is a known quantity (as a person / coach) by the GM
3) Apparently has a good working relationship with the GM (personality, alignment of vision, etc.)
Nothing is guaranteed. Our team might suck. He might be a bad HC, whatever. But those 3 things are a good foundation.
Good post. I'll add success in developing young QB and building a system to fit him.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Exactly. You want a guarantee? Call the Saints and offer a first for Sean Payton, but those same fans will lose their shit over that too.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Based on where they were selected, you could have a draft where Rodgers Mahomes Drew Brees Russell Wilson and Tom Brady all came out together and it would be labeled a weak draft class.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Based on where they were selected, you could have a draft where Rodgers Mahomes Drew Brees Russell Wilson and Tom Brady all came out together and it would be labeled a weak draft class.
We knew the Giants were interested in Schoen. However we heard that Peters was so impressive in both his interviews and it was getting close.
So you interview other potentials. You might get surprised. You might get some information you didn't have before. You get other views of your team and roster.
Im assuming they would ask questions like.. who do you see asn your OC..who do you see as your DC.. you might hear a name several times, so that would bear looking into.
One of the many reason you interview multiple clinets
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Exactly. You want a guarantee? Call the Saints and offer a first for Sean Payton, but those same fans will lose their shit over that too.
Sean, that's exactly what I think they should be doing. That, and talking to Jim Harbaugh to see what it would take for him to leave Michigan.
I guess Daboll can work out here, but if you look across the league, it's a real long shot. There are a lot more Adam Gase situations than there are McVays. And regarding the latter and his coaching tree. Every single one of those guys has a big time QB now. Staley, Taylor, McVay himself to a slightly lesser extent.
The NFL is a QB driven league, not a "scientific offensive mind" league. It's the QBs that make the coordinators into head coaches, not the other way around.
Daboll will be walking in here a first time head coach going from Josh Allen to Daniel Jones at the QB position while an angry fanbase with pitchforks being sharpened awaits success. And it had better come quickly.
Is head coach it's his system, the offensive coordinator in this case is not that important, on the other hand the defensive coordinator is essential. With Judge he needed a very good offensive and defensive coordinator because he had no offensive or defensive system. With Flores the defensive coordinator is not that important, it will be his system, on the other hand his offensive coordinator will be very important. I don't understand how this is not clear to everyone on this website, if you follow the NFL you should understand this by now.
wait no totally disagree...
a head coach isnt going to spend his time implementing his offensive scheme with the offense. That is the OC's job to understand and implement.
The HC has a way bigger list of responsibility now and his job is essentially to manage his ast coaches and coordinators. Not run the offense.
You're dreaming if you think Daboll will survive more than 2 years if the winning doesn't start well within that timeframe.
The PLAN right now should be how do we bring instant credibility to this franchise to avoid that scenario. No offense, Daboll doesn't bring that.
Sean Payton would. Jim Harbaugh would.
disagree this year is a complete wash. Anyone with any expectations this year are crazy. Schoen is going to have to purge a lot of the roster just to be cap compliant. You just want to see some young players develop as we might have one of the youngest rosters in the NFL.
The following year there is likely to be a rookie QB in the fold. You can't expect much there so he will mostly be judged on the QB's rookie progression.
Year 3 is when he will fully get judged on W/L IMO...same was going to happen to judge until he started to self implode.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Exactly. You want a guarantee? Call the Saints and offer a first for Sean Payton, but those same fans will lose their shit over that too.
Sean, that's exactly what I think they should be doing. That, and talking to Jim Harbaugh to see what it would take for him to leave Michigan.
I guess Daboll can work out here, but if you look across the league, it's a real long shot. There are a lot more Adam Gase situations than there are McVays. And regarding the latter and his coaching tree. Every single one of those guys has a big time QB now. Staley, Taylor, McVay himself to a slightly lesser extent.
The NFL is a QB driven league, not a "scientific offensive mind" league. It's the QBs that make the coordinators into head coaches, not the other way around.
Daboll will be walking in here a first time head coach going from Josh Allen to Daniel Jones at the QB position while an angry fanbase with pitchforks being sharpened awaits success. And it had better come quickly.
Daboll being a successful HC is not a given….in fact, at best it might be 50-50. He is not a proven HC….he may a proven OC, but you have to add, a proven OC with Josh Allen as your QB.
There is absolutely no way Daniel Jones can be a Josh Allen….no way. And I’ve asked this question many times with no answer I’ve seen….would we even be interested in Daboll if Daniel Jones was the starting qb in Buffalo?
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT…NO IN FACT I KNOW WE WOULDNT BE. Well guess what, for now, Daniel Jones would be his qb….what makes me think he could be successful as a HC or even an OC without Josh Allen?
Oh well….if Schoen wants his buddy from Buffalo to be our HC, it can’t be any worse than Judge, so let it play out.
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I sure hope he can bring Ken Dorsey with him as OC
This needs to stop being brought up.
If the Giants hire Daboll the Bills are going to block any Dorsey interview for OC because they are just going to make him their OC... Just like they blocked Judge from interviewing Daboll.
If you want Dorsey you are going to have to hire him as HC unless Buffalo cans him.
OC/QB Coach name to watch - Shea Tierny
He's followed Daboll from Alabama and Allen credits him a ton for their success.
“He's been here since day one,” Allen continued. “He's basically Daboll’s right-hand man. He makes all the cut-ups. He makes all the install pages. He runs our scout defense. Just the energy and juice that he brings, too, he's just one of the guys and he loves football. That's what I love about him.
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feels like a long time
feels like a long time
Look at Bruce Arians. Not everyone climbs the ranks in 3 years like Sean McVay
feels like a long time
Sometimes guys are just a victim of circumstances. In his prior OC stops before Buffalo his QB's were Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Matt Cassel and Matt Moore. Hell, even Daniel Jones might be better than any of those guys. Before anyone gets all hot and bothered, that's an indictment on how bad those guys were, not an endorsement of Jones.
feels like a long time
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for this franchise. Defense in the playoffs and a big play QB with a running game.
For those who say what about the 2011 team. Point totals for the playoffs the D let up. 3, 20. 21, 21. QB's faced. Ryan, Smith, Rodgers, Brady.
Whoever is the HC I hope they know the blueprint.
I really hope we are not hiring anyone who is trying to figure out how to win a championship by looking backwards several decades to a game that was much different than today's game.
Several decades? There was commonality in all four that are still applicable today. Physicality is the kryptonite to a high flying offense. I'll take that over relying on the hope of landing a generational QB and that they can stay healthy. Simple principles still will win today.
A little Defense would have been helpful last night. Look at the 49ers, they play great D and good enough offense with a high flying offensive HC. D still wins championships. However, I'd still like Daboll over Flores...but Quinn over both.
I thought Reid had great respect for Allen and I noticed he tried to stay with the ground game and it worked well until the injuries hit the secondary. Then McDermott gifted him a second chance.
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I have no idea if he will be a good coach but I hope they find the right QB to pair with him.
It's entirely plausible that Trubisky beats Jones out in a qb competition if that's the direction they go in.
Agreed. I think it's the right move too.
Funny how Zeigler is close to all pro material at RG in Cleveland and in Baltimore, but was not very good with NYG. Maybe coaching has something to do with it???
You are right about the offensive line, but they played solid towards the end of the season and especially in the playoffs. It was the last push from Mckenzie, snee and diehl plus they got something out of bass, beatty and boothe.
They also had a defensive line of Osi, Tuck, JPP and Canty.
Shurmur was a HC twice, how did that work out...lol
The Giants have used the first round on offense almost exclusively since 2012 (9 of 12 picks), yet the offense only gets worse.
That entire side of the ball needs to be broken down and rebuilt. The way they play offense also has to be completely rethought.
Daboll seems like a good candidate to do that.
I have no idea if he will be a good coach but I hope they find the right QB to pair with him.
This weekends QB play was insane. Think about the QBs we watched all weekend:
1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Stafford
4) Brady
5) Burrow
6) Rodgers
And Allen and Mahomes were just super-human last night. Crazy.
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was terrible. They ranked 30th in rushing yards that year. Coaching and having some star players step up and make plays is important (Eli, Nicks, Cruz, MM, Tuck, JPP, etc.).
Funny how Zeigler is close to all pro material at RG in Cleveland and in Baltimore, but was not very good with NYG. Maybe coaching has something to do with it???
You are right about the offensive line, but they played solid towards the end of the season and especially in the playoffs. It was the last push from Mckenzie, snee and diehl plus they got something out of bass, beatty and boothe.
They also had a defensive line of Osi, Tuck, JPP and Canty.
That team came together at the right time. The defense stepped up as did the OL. And Jacobs and Bradshaw were hurting most of the early season (IIRC) and finally got a bit healthy right before the playoff run.
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Brian Daboll's actual interview with the Giants will take place at the team facility on Tuesday. Sounds like he is coming downstate later today to be in place for the morning meeting, which created some timeline confusion. Just as Quinn was here yesterday for today's interview.
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was terrible. They ranked 30th in rushing yards that year. Coaching and having some star players step up and make plays is important (Eli, Nicks, Cruz, MM, Tuck, JPP, etc.).
Funny how Zeigler is close to all pro material at RG in Cleveland and in Baltimore, but was not very good with NYG. Maybe coaching has something to do with it???
You are right about the offensive line, but they played solid towards the end of the season and especially in the playoffs. It was the last push from Mckenzie, snee and diehl plus they got something out of bass, beatty and boothe.
They also had a defensive line of Osi, Tuck, JPP and Canty.
That team came together at the right time. The defense stepped up as did the OL. And Jacobs and Bradshaw were hurting most of the early season (IIRC) and finally got a bit healthy right before the playoff run.
And obviously Eli just took it to a whole other level.
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That said, I would not be shocked if there are dinner plans between some Giants decision-makers and Daboll for tonight.
+1
its not really a farce because its good to have a GM aligned with the HC.
The extensive GM search basically told us the direction we were going with the HC hire.
Flores is a good coach but the rift between him and management isn't something you want with your organization.
2) Is a known quantity (as a person / coach) by the GM
3) Apparently has a good working relationship with the GM (personality, alignment of vision, etc.)
Nothing is guaranteed. Our team might suck. He might be a bad HC, whatever. But those 3 things are a good foundation.
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2) Is a known quantity (as a person / coach) by the GM
3) Apparently has a good working relationship with the GM (personality, alignment of vision, etc.)
Nothing is guaranteed. Our team might suck. He might be a bad HC, whatever. But those 3 things are a good foundation.
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The coaching search is a farce.
its not really a farce because its good to have a GM aligned with the HC.
The extensive GM search basically told us the direction we were going with the HC hire.
Flores is a good coach but the rift between him and management isn't something you want with your organization.
Several years of working together will tell you way more about a guy's ability to the job than a couple interviews.
If Daboll is the guy - I'm cool with it.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Exactly. You want a guarantee? Call the Saints and offer a first for Sean Payton, but those same fans will lose their shit over that too.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
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People want guarantees where none exist.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Based on where they were selected, you could have a draft where Rodgers Mahomes Drew Brees Russell Wilson and Tom Brady all came out together and it would be labeled a weak draft class.
Dak too
So you interview other potentials. You might get surprised. You might get some information you didn't have before. You get other views of your team and roster.
Im assuming they would ask questions like.. who do you see asn your OC..who do you see as your DC.. you might hear a name several times, so that would bear looking into.
One of the many reason you interview multiple clinets
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People want guarantees where none exist.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Exactly. You want a guarantee? Call the Saints and offer a first for Sean Payton, but those same fans will lose their shit over that too.
Sean, that's exactly what I think they should be doing. That, and talking to Jim Harbaugh to see what it would take for him to leave Michigan.
I guess Daboll can work out here, but if you look across the league, it's a real long shot. There are a lot more Adam Gase situations than there are McVays. And regarding the latter and his coaching tree. Every single one of those guys has a big time QB now. Staley, Taylor, McVay himself to a slightly lesser extent.
The NFL is a QB driven league, not a "scientific offensive mind" league. It's the QBs that make the coordinators into head coaches, not the other way around.
Daboll will be walking in here a first time head coach going from Josh Allen to Daniel Jones at the QB position while an angry fanbase with pitchforks being sharpened awaits success. And it had better come quickly.
wait no totally disagree...
a head coach isnt going to spend his time implementing his offensive scheme with the offense. That is the OC's job to understand and implement.
The HC has a way bigger list of responsibility now and his job is essentially to manage his ast coaches and coordinators. Not run the offense.
You're dreaming if you think Daboll will survive more than 2 years if the winning doesn't start well within that timeframe.
The PLAN right now should be how do we bring instant credibility to this franchise to avoid that scenario. No offense, Daboll doesn't bring that.
Sean Payton would. Jim Harbaugh would.
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There has been no plan here for years.
You're dreaming if you think Daboll will survive more than 2 years if the winning doesn't start well within that timeframe.
The PLAN right now should be how do we bring instant credibility to this franchise to avoid that scenario. No offense, Daboll doesn't bring that.
Sean Payton would. Jim Harbaugh would.
disagree this year is a complete wash. Anyone with any expectations this year are crazy. Schoen is going to have to purge a lot of the roster just to be cap compliant. You just want to see some young players develop as we might have one of the youngest rosters in the NFL.
The following year there is likely to be a rookie QB in the fold. You can't expect much there so he will mostly be judged on the QB's rookie progression.
Year 3 is when he will fully get judged on W/L IMO...same was going to happen to judge until he started to self implode.
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People want guarantees where none exist.
We've seen people saying that this isn't an impressive group of coaching candidates - I don't agree. There's no Belichick or Saban, but that's a long way from unimpressive.
Same thing with the QBs in this draft. Andrew Luck isn't going to be in every draft. It doesn't mean the draft sucks.
Exactly. You want a guarantee? Call the Saints and offer a first for Sean Payton, but those same fans will lose their shit over that too.
Sean, that's exactly what I think they should be doing. That, and talking to Jim Harbaugh to see what it would take for him to leave Michigan.
I guess Daboll can work out here, but if you look across the league, it's a real long shot. There are a lot more Adam Gase situations than there are McVays. And regarding the latter and his coaching tree. Every single one of those guys has a big time QB now. Staley, Taylor, McVay himself to a slightly lesser extent.
The NFL is a QB driven league, not a "scientific offensive mind" league. It's the QBs that make the coordinators into head coaches, not the other way around.
Daboll will be walking in here a first time head coach going from Josh Allen to Daniel Jones at the QB position while an angry fanbase with pitchforks being sharpened awaits success. And it had better come quickly.
Daboll being a successful HC is not a given….in fact, at best it might be 50-50. He is not a proven HC….he may a proven OC, but you have to add, a proven OC with Josh Allen as your QB.
There is absolutely no way Daniel Jones can be a Josh Allen….no way. And I’ve asked this question many times with no answer I’ve seen….would we even be interested in Daboll if Daniel Jones was the starting qb in Buffalo?
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT…NO IN FACT I KNOW WE WOULDNT BE. Well guess what, for now, Daniel Jones would be his qb….what makes me think he could be successful as a HC or even an OC without Josh Allen?
Oh well….if Schoen wants his buddy from Buffalo to be our HC, it can’t be any worse than Judge, so let it play out.