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ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 1/24/2022 10:06 am
Just wanted to see what some of the more knowledgeable minds on BBI are thinking on where the market is heading. Nasdaq tumbles further into correction territory with this morning's open, while we await word from the Fed's 2 day policy meeting tomorrow/Wednesday on just how much interest rates will rise this year.

Are we headed towards a recession, or is this increased volatility going to be more of the normal as the Fed tries to fight off this crazy inflation?
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RE: I just went all cash this morning  
Kev in Cali : 1/24/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15572196 Grey Pilgrim said:
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Am I dumb?



If you had $1000 invested - YES
If you had $1000000 invested - NO
RE: I just went all cash this morning  
cjac : 1/24/2022 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15572196 Grey Pilgrim said:
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Am I dumb?


No just keep an eye on what is going on and get back in at a good point, just dont kill yourself trying to time the market. You many want to just drip it back in instead of doing it all in one shot.
And market's are turning  
DC Gmen Fan : 1/24/2022 3:51 pm : link
positive..
just like that...  
BillKo : 1/24/2022 4:02 pm : link
the markets are in the green, for today anyway.

IMO, the markets are all BS. They have to connection to what's going on in the real world.

They were way overvalued for a long period, and its basically going to come back into line.

I have a 401K and was making over 30% in certain funds, that's outrageous.

It just can't continue that way.
RE: And market's are turning  
Kev in Cali : 1/24/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15572357 DC Gmen Fan said:
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positive..


I'd guess with the sudden downturn, shorts are probably covering some and closing out positions. Most folks I'd guess, want to see what happens next with fed news and earnings coming up shortly.
Great buying opportunity  
Vanzetti : 1/24/2022 10:44 pm : link
Tech is always a bit risky because you never know when a company's technology is going to be surpassed by someone else.

But that aside, I would definitely look to buy Roku, Crowdstrike etc . .. They have gone from overvalued to undervalued. That's the nature of the market. Too far up and then too far down
RE: RE: Timing Stock Market  
Vanzetti : 1/24/2022 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15572122 EricJ said:
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My experience after downturns = go to cash
While at cash = market recovers.
By the time I get back, missed recovery and lost money
My recommendation - Stay disciplined, stay invested, eventually you will recover all your loses.
history of crashes/corrections confirm this again and again.





yeah you described me. I know how to make money.. just not in the stock market.

Exactly two years ago I had a bad feeling about the market, so I pulled my 401k investments out of the risky funds and put it ALL into a stable fund. In less than a week, the market crashed. Awesome right? Sure.. except that I never re-invested the money and did not take advantage of the upswing.

Now... I have to determine a new entry point


Chunk it back in. Start with some high dividend stocks (above 10% like New Residence) and then slowly put it back in tech and maybe even travel stocks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What SUV costs 100k?  
Snablats : 1/24/2022 10:57 pm : link
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In DFW...pretty much all the full size models. I've seen Escalades for over $125K. About 2 months ago, I sold my dad's truck (for $12K under what he paid 7 years ago) at an Audi dealership, and a USED Audi SUV was in the showroom for $89K.


And what does a Toyota or Honda SUV go for, or even Lexus? Using top of the line Escalades that only rich people buy anyway to discuss inflation is plain stupid



Lexus LX starts at $88K...so, I was way off. Acting like inflation hasn't affected every level of purchasing power is "plain stupid" also. Maybe it's a Texas issue (doubtful)...but truck and SUV prices are through the roof here.

Even if the lexus was 60k, if you can pay that for a car you arent worried about inflation. No one gives a crap that the "purchasing power" of rich people is affected. The old line about a Rolls Royce was "if you have to ask how much, you cant afford one"
Market was over-leveraged and this needed to happen  
NoGainDayne : 1/24/2022 11:05 pm : link
for us not to see a major crash. This might be a very helpful blood-letting in the end.

Personally I want to see how this plays out and if this correction is over or if there is more to correct but I think this has created some good buys IMO
RE: Anyone who didn't see this coming  
santacruzom : 1/25/2022 2:35 am : link
In comment 15571845 DomerGiant2008 said:
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really should not be trading stocks. When you have an administration that is pro-regulation, pro-foreign interests and spends WRECKLESSLY, of course it is going to all fall apart.

I own a business that I started with $25,000 in personal savings in 2015 and grew it into a multi-million dollar company with 7 fulltime employees. Due to all these insane regulations and lockdowns, we are being forced to try to sell before we go out of business.


Your started a business that achieved multi million status in less than 7 years but is now in the verge of collapse because of a few recently passed regulations? Color me skeptical.
My modest advice  
DonQuixote : 1/25/2022 6:21 am : link
Dollar cost average into a low-fee index fund. Don't try to market time. If you put fixed dollar amounts in, you buy fewer shares when the price is high and more shares when the price is low. Most importantly, must gains are made on a minority of days with big gains. You have to be in the market consistently so you don't miss those days.

Very few investors steadily beat the S&P, and therefore, very few beat this approach. What's more the process is automated so it is worry free.
RE: Honest question  
mvftw : 1/25/2022 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15571639 Existenz said:
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Has anyone invested in I-Bonds before? Looking at it as a way to protect some cash over the next few years.

Since nobody answered...YES. I put in my second $10k over the weekend. I'm still in the market, but I-Bonds are better then the bank & CD's...
RE: RE: Honest question  
Kev in Cali : 1/25/2022 4:23 pm : link
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Has anyone invested in I-Bonds before? Looking at it as a way to protect some cash over the next few years.

Thanks for the heads up. I just opened an account and deposited in under 30 minutes.

Guys this is the safest/risk free 7.1% int you can get. Only caveat is that the money isn't liquid with a small interest penalty if you need to make an early withdraw( 3 months int from what I understand).

If folks can, they should max this out every year possible! I wish I had learned/started investing in this long ago. I didn't know the I-bonds payed so well, now I know : )




Since nobody answered...YES. I put in my second $10k over the weekend. I'm still in the market, but I-Bonds are better then the bank & CD's...
I messed up the post....  
Kev in Cali : 1/25/2022 4:25 pm : link
Thanks for the heads up. I just opened an account and deposited in under 30 minutes.

Guys this is the safest/risk free 7.12% int you can get. Only caveat is that the money isn't liquid with a small interest penalty if you need to make an early withdraw( 3 months int from what I understand).

If folks can, they should max this out every year possible! I wish I had learned/started investing in this long ago. I didn't know the I-bonds payed so well, now I know : )
RE: RE: RE: Honest question  
Kev in Cali : 1/25/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15574590 Kev in Cali said:
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Has anyone invested in I-Bonds before? Looking at it as a way to protect some cash over the next few years.

Thanks for the heads up. I just opened an account and deposited in under 30 minutes.

Guys this is the safest/risk free 7.1% int you can get. Only caveat is that the money isn't liquid with a small interest penalty if you need to make an early withdraw( 3 months int from what I understand).

If folks can, they should max this out every year possible! I wish I had learned/started investing in this long ago. I didn't know the I-bonds payed so well, now I know : )




Since nobody answered...YES. I put in my second $10k over the weekend. I'm still in the market, but I-Bonds are better then the bank & CD's...



Since you have invested in this product before, is the coupon quarterly/monthly?

Did you also contribute $5k towards the paper version?
RE: My modest advice  
lawguy9801 : 1/25/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15573296 DonQuixote said:
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Dollar cost average into a low-fee index fund. Don't try to market time. If you put fixed dollar amounts in, you buy fewer shares when the price is high and more shares when the price is low. Most importantly, must gains are made on a minority of days with big gains. You have to be in the market consistently so you don't miss those days.

Very few investors steadily beat the S&P, and therefore, very few beat this approach. What's more the process is automated so it is worry free.


Agree wholeheartedly with this; and also supplementing this advice with a chunk of $$ into safe stocks that should do well (or at least not that badly) in a higher-rate environment. In addition to broad-based index funds, I'm considering individual stocks such as Waste Management, ProLogis, Bank of America, ADP, MetLife and McDonald's. I also currently own Berkshire Hathaway and may add to that.
Microsoft earnings beat expectations  
lawguy9801 : 1/25/2022 4:43 pm : link
Hopefully this helps buoy the market, subject to whatever comes out of the Fed meeting this week
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RE: RE: Honest question  
BillKo : 1/25/2022 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15574304 mvftw said:
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In comment 15571639 Existenz said:


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Has anyone invested in I-Bonds before? Looking at it as a way to protect some cash over the next few years.


Since nobody answered...YES. I put in my second $10k over the weekend. I'm still in the market, but I-Bonds are better then the bank & CD's...


Is the limit $10K per calendar year?

You can put over that amount, right?
RE: RE: RE: Honest question  
Kev in Cali : 1/25/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15574638 BillKo said:
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Has anyone invested in I-Bonds before? Looking at it as a way to protect some cash over the next few years.


Since nobody answered...YES. I put in my second $10k over the weekend. I'm still in the market, but I-Bonds are better then the bank & CD's...



Is the limit $10K per calendar year?

You can put over that amount, right?


From what I read/understood you can contribute up to $10K per year in I-bonds. So you'd have to wait until Jan 23 to contribute another 10. But there was also a paper version that you can also purchase with a limit of $5k for the same type product. I going to research more on this "paper" version that yields the same INT rate and under the same terms.

They have other options on the treasury website, but these I think these are the best deal out there from .gov
I-Bonds - wow  
lawguy9801 : 1/25/2022 5:20 pm : link
I didn't know these existed. This is akin to free money. What's the catch?
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RE: I-Bonds - wow  
BrettNYG10 : 1/25/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15574701 lawguy9801 said:
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I didn't know these existed. This is akin to free money. What's the catch? Link - ( New Window )


You have to hold for a year to accrue interest - otherwise you forfeit it all. If you redeem prior to five years you lose five months interest. And you can only put up to $10K per person.

Those are the only drawbacks.
RE: RE: I-Bonds - wow  
lawguy9801 : 1/25/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15574739 BrettNYG10 said:
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I didn't know these existed. This is akin to free money. What's the catch? Link - ( New Window )



You have to hold for a year to accrue interest - otherwise you forfeit it all. If you redeem prior to five years you lose five months interest. And you can only put up to $10K per person.

Those are the only drawbacks.


Thanks. So for something like college savings, these are ideal. Maximize the 529 deduction ($10K per married couple), plus up to $10K per year into an I Bond, the interest on which is not subject to state tax (and potentially federal tax as well, if used for education and income below a certain threshold).
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/25/2022 6:32 pm : link
I'm not as familiar on the tax savings for college accounts (I don't have kids) but that sounds right.

I've tried to get everyone I know into the i-bonds.
RE: RE: Anyone who didn't see this coming  
upnyg : 1/25/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15571890 BigBlueJ said:
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really should not be trading stocks. When you have an administration that is pro-regulation, pro-foreign interests and spends WRECKLESSLY, of course it is going to all fall apart.

I own a business that I started with $25,000 in personal savings in 2015 and grew it into a multi-million dollar company with 7 fulltime employees. Due to all these insane regulations and lockdowns, we are being forced to try to sell before we go out of business.



Which administration? I hope that is snark. Cause if you are actually picking sides you are a bigger idiot than I would give you credit for.
Walk in somebody elses shoes before you criticize. He has a right to an opinion without name calling. His business is struggling. Facts are this is the worst economy on 40 years. The current administration has to take blame as well as the pandemic.
bump  
Grey Pilgrim : 1/27/2022 1:45 pm : link
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Does Fortune Favor the Bold?  
Grey Pilgrim : 1/27/2022 2:01 pm : link
???
RE: Does Fortune Favor the Bold?  
Grey Pilgrim : 1/27/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15578499 Grey Pilgrim said:
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:unsure:
RE: My modest advice  
penkap75 : 1/27/2022 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15573296 DonQuixote said:
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Dollar cost average into a low-fee index fund. Don't try to market time. If you put fixed dollar amounts in, you buy fewer shares when the price is high and more shares when the price is low. Most importantly, must gains are made on a minority of days with big gains. You have to be in the market consistently so you don't miss those days.

Very few investors steadily beat the S&P, and therefore, very few beat this approach. What's more the process is automated so it is worry free.


This is most sound advice. Its the Boglehead philosophy.

Doing it since 2008. I laugh at all downturns like its nothing. My low cost index funds (Vanguard) has exponentially grown, and I can retire anytime and I'm only 47. I laugh at this downturn. Panic selling only locks in your losses.
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