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NFT: Knicks @ Cavaliers - 7:00 PM - Game Thread

adamg : 1/24/2022 10:54 am
LFGK!!!
Cavs are legit  
Br00klyn : 1/24/2022 10:58 am : link
probably no Mitch which is a big problem against their bigs. hoping for the best but expecting a loss for the Knicks tonight
..  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 11:26 am : link
Noel is probable, Kemba and Mitch are both questionable..

Just sit Kemba until a trade or buyout can happen please
Mobley is back right  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2022 11:32 am : link
?

He is the real deal.
yup hes been playing  
hitdog42 : 1/24/2022 11:35 am : link
main issue for cavs is bench guard play when rubio went down.

twin towers + Garland have been excellent
RE: yup hes been playing  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15571749 hitdog42 said:
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main issue for cavs is bench guard play when rubio went down.

twin towers + Garland have been excellent


Garland should be an all star, he is their engine and is making the game easy for Mobley..
How Do They Get Minutes For Reddish?  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/24/2022 11:47 am : link
Someone is going to have to be moved to open up more minutes for Reddish. His defense is is his calling card which they need on the floor. SO who gets moved?
RE: How Do They Get Minutes For Reddish?  
adamg : 1/24/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15571775 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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Someone is going to have to be moved to open up more minutes for Reddish. His defense is is his calling card which they need on the floor. SO who gets moved?


If they move Obi or Randle would he be able to man the 4?
I think  
NYG22 : 1/24/2022 12:02 pm : link
Fournier will be moved. Its clear Thibs isn't a fan.

Perhaps as part of a package for Jalen Brunson (FA next summer but there are strong ties between NYK and Brunson); something like Fournier, Quickley for Brunson, Bullock, Klieber.
RE: How Do They Get Minutes For Reddish?  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15571775 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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Someone is going to have to be moved to open up more minutes for Reddish. His defense is is his calling card which they need on the floor. SO who gets moved?


They are going to make a trade, you dint trade for someone who requested a trade to get a bigger role and then give him a smaller role and less minutes, just doesnt make sense and you piss off agents that way..

Trade has to be made
RE: I think  
adamg : 1/24/2022 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15571809 NYG22 said:
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Fournier will be moved. Its clear Thibs isn't a fan.

Perhaps as part of a package for Jalen Brunson (FA next summer but there are strong ties between NYK and Brunson); something like Fournier, Quickley for Brunson, Bullock, Klieber.


2 for 3 to solve the logjam?
I think trading Burks and Kemba for picks  
adamg : 1/24/2022 12:20 pm : link
Would be one avenue
RE: RE: I think  
NYG22 : 1/24/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15571842 adamg said:
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Fournier will be moved. Its clear Thibs isn't a fan.

Perhaps as part of a package for Jalen Brunson (FA next summer but there are strong ties between NYK and Brunson); something like Fournier, Quickley for Brunson, Bullock, Klieber.



2 for 3 to solve the logjam?


True, but I was focused on 3 things:

1 getting Brunson
2 matching salary
3 as a wing (Reddish's spot), I would think Bullock is going to demand a lot less minutes than Fournier
RE: RE: RE: I think  
adamg : 1/24/2022 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15571859 NYG22 said:
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In comment 15571809 NYG22 said:


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Fournier will be moved. Its clear Thibs isn't a fan.

Perhaps as part of a package for Jalen Brunson (FA next summer but there are strong ties between NYK and Brunson); something like Fournier, Quickley for Brunson, Bullock, Klieber.



2 for 3 to solve the logjam?



True, but I was focused on 3 things:

1 getting Brunson
2 matching salary
3 as a wing (Reddish's spot), I would think Bullock is going to demand a lot less minutes than Fournier


It makes sense if they make a couple other moves.
I could see  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 1:06 pm : link
Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him
RE: I could see  
NYG22 : 1/24/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15571955 nygiants16 said:
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Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him


I don't think you're far off but I'd like to keep Grimes (which sounds silly given his pre-draft projection compared to Obi).
RE: I could see  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15571955 nygiants16 said:
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Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him


No reason to trade Noel for a 2nd given Mitch's injury history imo.
What about Deuce and Obi with the DAL first for Brunson?  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:25 pm : link
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RE: What about Deuce and Obi with the DAL first for Brunson?  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15572004 adamg said:
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Lmao. Need to add Frank for salary purposes.
I don't want to touch any of IQ, Grimes, RJ, Cam or Mitch tbh  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:30 pm : link
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RE: I could see  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15571955 nygiants16 said:
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Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him


I would hang on to Noel, Mitch hasn’t been durable enough to move Nerlens. The guy I would move is Burks. Let Reddish get the ~15 minutes behind RJ. Can maybe get a late first for Burks.
RE: RE: I could see  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15572018 Mike in NJ said:
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Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him



I would hang on to Noel, Mitch hasn’t been durable enough to move Nerlens. The guy I would move is Burks. Let Reddish get the ~15 minutes behind RJ. Can maybe get a late first for Burks.


Agreed. Burks and Kemba are the easily moveable parts right now.
I dont think Noel is needed  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 1:54 pm : link
He is hurt all the time and if we want to bring back Mitch, no reason to be payong Noel so much..

Rather see sims
If I am Dallas  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 1:58 pm : link
I am packaging Brunson with Porzingis and trying to get as much back as possible. Boston is an interesting fit since Brown/Tatum wont work and Schoeder wont be back in Boston next year.

Porzingis, Brunson, and picks for brown?
RE: If I am Dallas  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15572081 GNewGiants said:
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I am packaging Brunson with Porzingis and trying to get as much back as possible. Boston is an interesting fit since Brown/Tatum wont work and Schoeder wont be back in Boston next year.

Porzingis, Brunson, and picks for brown?


Salary of that works. The trade would represent a major failure for DAL though. Not sure BOS would take that either.
Oh wait  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:05 pm : link
Can DAL trade picks? Is that why they need their first back?
Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 2:06 pm : link
never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown
Three team trade?  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:07 pm : link
We trade their first back and get Brunson and add Obi and another piece to the deal?

BOS gets Porzingis, Obi, and picks.

DAL gets Brown
Salary doesn't work.  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:10 pm : link
Idk. Seems like DAL and NYK are the best fits for each other.
Porzingis would seem better suited for a different trade, so they can maximize Brunson's value
RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15572095 nygiants16 said:
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never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown


KP and brunson. They need a PG as well.
RE: Salary doesn't work.  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15572103 adamg said:
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Idk. Seems like DAL and NYK are the best fits for each other.
Porzingis would seem better suited for a different trade, so they can maximize Brunson's value


I hate to be the bearer of bad news.... but Brunsons value is something the Knicks dont have.

Dallas, who is a playoff team, is not trading their 2nd/3rd best player for Obi, Grimes, or Quick. No chance. Obi cant get off the bench for a .500 team. And Dallas/Luka LOVES Kleber - so Obi is not that attractive to them.
RE: RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15572152 GNewGiants said:
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never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown



KP and brunson. They need a PG as well.


I didnt see Brunson carry on, good trade for Boston
RE: RE: RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15572161 nygiants16 said:
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never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown



KP and brunson. They need a PG as well.



I didnt see Brunson carry on, good trade for Boston


Can DAL include picks?
RE: RE: Salary doesn't work.  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15572157 GNewGiants said:
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Idk. Seems like DAL and NYK are the best fits for each other.
Porzingis would seem better suited for a different trade, so they can maximize Brunson's value



I hate to be the bearer of bad news.... but Brunsons value is something the Knicks dont have.

Dallas, who is a playoff team, is not trading their 2nd/3rd best player for Obi, Grimes, or Quick. No chance. Obi cant get off the bench for a .500 team. And Dallas/Luka LOVES Kleber - so Obi is not that attractive to them.


That's fine. Brunson is a good fit for the Knicks, but it's not the end of the world if they can't trade for him at the deadline. There's a chance they can sign him in the offseason. And even still, Deuce may end up being a starting PG when Thibs is gone and a newer coach isn't as averse to playing kids.
IMO,  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 2:51 pm : link
I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15572186 adamg said:
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never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown



KP and brunson. They need a PG as well.



I didnt see Brunson carry on, good trade for Boston



Can DAL include picks?


not until 2027 i think
RE: IMO,  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15572199 GNewGiants said:
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I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.


It doesn't make sense for them to trade him since there's no way they've improving this year's team with the trade. I bet the Knicks get him in the offseason. Lines up too perfectly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15572206 nygiants16 said:
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not until 2027 i think


Don't see BOS making that trade then.

KP on his contract with a Brunson rental and no picks for their second best player?
RE: IMO,  
adamg : 1/24/2022 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15572199 GNewGiants said:
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I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.


But they are losing him for nothing in the offseason. I suppose they make a big move after the draft when their pick transfers to the Knicks and they can move Porzingis, eh?
Herring's  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:23 pm : link
book has a lot of stuff I never knew/considered.

The Knicks took Monty Williams despite the fact their own team doctor said he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NBA due to the risks. David Falk (Williams agent) suggested he retire, and the Knicks took him anyway, instead stationing an ambulance in the tunnels on game day. Nuts.
RE: Herring's  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15572268 DanMetroMan said:
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book has a lot of stuff I never knew/considered.

The Knicks took Monty Williams despite the fact their own team doctor said he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NBA due to the risks. David Falk (Williams agent) suggested he retire, and the Knicks took him anyway, instead stationing an ambulance in the tunnels on game day. Nuts.


just ordered it, excited to read it
Or  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:36 pm : link
how Rolando Blackman pissed off Riley asking to have the wives be allowed to attend the finals and there is a strong belief this is why Riley was so hesitant to go to him in game 7.

- The Heat basically tampered in order to land Riley. Riley discussed leaving the Knicks if he didn't get an ownership stake and Riley's friend Dick Butera was a potential buyer of the Heat. He and Arison worked together to land Riley.
Riley  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:37 pm : link
was an animal (both good and bad) arguably the biggest talent loss of any of my favorite teams during my lifetime.
RE: RE: IMO,  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15572207 adamg said:
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I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.



It doesn't make sense for them to trade him since there's no way they've improving this year's team with the trade. I bet the Knicks get him in the offseason. Lines up too perfectly.


Might work out better for the Knicks if it happens in the offseason. Maybe they could then trade Fournier plus one of Obi, Grimes and Quickley, rather than 2 of the young guys, to make the salaries work.
RE: RE: RE: IMO,  
adamg : 1/24/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15572380 Mike in NJ said:
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I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.



It doesn't make sense for them to trade him since there's no way they've improving this year's team with the trade. I bet the Knicks get him in the offseason. Lines up too perfectly.



Might work out better for the Knicks if it happens in the offseason. Maybe they could then trade Fournier plus one of Obi, Grimes and Quickley, rather than 2 of the young guys, to make the salaries work.


Honestly, maybe the Fournier contract looks attractive in the offseason and nets a second or two. They don't have to go through DAL in the offseason.
I wouod be shocked  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 4:16 pm : link
if the Knicks dont make a trade and get a point at the deadline..

Maybe its not Brunson, but id be shocked if they didnt get someone and trade some of the deoth away
RE: I wouod be shocked  
adamg : 1/24/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15572427 nygiants16 said:
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if the Knicks dont make a trade and get a point at the deadline..

Maybe its not Brunson, but id be shocked if they didnt get someone and trade some of the deoth away


You don't think they'll just ride IQ, Burks and Rose?

Who is out there even? There's not a lot of PGs on the market...
No i dont  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 5:11 pm : link
just a gut feeling, Rose stood pat at deadline last year, dont see it this year, he is going to make a move, especially with the log jam they have
RE: No i dont  
adamg : 1/24/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15572602 nygiants16 said:
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just a gut feeling, Rose stood pat at deadline last year, dont see it this year, he is going to make a move, especially with the log jam they have


I definitely think they'll make a move. Just don't know that it'll be to add a PG.
RE: RE: No i dont  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15572605 adamg said:
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just a gut feeling, Rose stood pat at deadline last year, dont see it this year, he is going to make a move, especially with the log jam they have



I definitely think they'll make a move. Just don't know that it'll be to add a PG.


It may be a marginal guy, maybe like a Dj Augustin or a PG like that
Kemba is playing  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 5:43 pm : link
mitch game time decision
Markannen out with anklr injury  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 5:44 pm : link
Allen is questionable with illness
RE: Kemba is playing  
adamg : 1/24/2022 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15572669 nygiants16 said:
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mitch game time decision


Uh oh. Starting?
mitch is out  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 6:15 pm : link
noel starting..

sounds like allen is out
Down five after one.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 7:34 pm : link
Cavs beating us down the court for some easy transition.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2022 7:34 pm : link
Kevin Love looking like Minnesota Kevin Love.
Grimes playing excellent defense.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 7:40 pm : link
I really want to keep him around.
Obi with a couple of threes.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 7:41 pm : link
Bench playing great.
Selling off the kids to make the playoffs this year  
adamg : 1/24/2022 7:44 pm : link
would be a mistake
RE: Obi with a couple of threes.  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15572896 bceagle05 said:
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Bench playing great.


and of course Thibs takes them all out 6 minutes left in the 2nd..

Stubborn rigid Thibs
Playing Burks over Reddish is so shortsighted  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 7:56 pm : link
Burks gices them nothing other than slow down the entire team..Can we get more athletic please?
How many turnovers, Julius?  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 8:00 pm : link
So damn sloppy.
Randle is so hard to root for. He’s regressed to his career averages  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 8:03 pm : link
From 3 but insists on chucking up brick after brick, and he’s an absolute turnover machine.
I hate watching JR  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2022 8:08 pm : link
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I would like to see  
Del Shofner : 1/24/2022 8:08 pm : link
Rose/McBride
Grimes/IQ
RJ/Reddish
Obi/Taj
Mitch/Noel

Just to see what that would look like. Without Randle, Fournier or Kemba.
Team can be so much fun to watch  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:10 pm : link
but the vets on this team plays at a snails pace, meanwhile you got young guys that can get out and run and get easy baskets..

Its why the offense sucks, you cant constsntly play half court, but of course the athletic players play 5 minutes or dont play
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2022 8:10 pm : link
Feels like '20-'21 was JR @ his apex.
RE: ...  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15572880 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Kevin Love looking like Minnesota Kevin Love.

Love has been great this year off the bench. Hitting a ton of 3's
Trade a 1  
Bigblue23 : 1/24/2022 8:12 pm : link
For a guy you are not going to play lol ..has to be some kind of disconnect between front office and Thibs
RE: Trade a 1  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15572948 Bigblue23 said:
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For a guy you are not going to play lol ..has to be some kind of disconnect between front office and Thibs


Reddish said he wasnt ready for big minutes yet because kf the ibjury and learning the playbook..

In 2 weeks if there hasnt been a trade and he still isnt playing then be pissed
I reffed cyo games where the kids shoot fts better than RJ Barrett  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:22 pm : link
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Missed free throws again  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:23 pm : link
should be up 8
jesus christ sit Fournier  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:26 pm : link
just standing there while okoro grabs the rebound
RE: I would like to see  
adamg : 1/24/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15572939 Del Shofner said:
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Rose/McBride
Grimes/IQ
RJ/Reddish
Obi/Taj
Mitch/Noel

Just to see what that would look like. Without Randle, Fournier or Kemba.


I think a lot of people would be on board with this.
Fournier getting 20 minutes  
adamg : 1/24/2022 8:29 pm : link
while Grimes gets 10.

Need to move Fournier sooner rather than later.
I dont want to hear Thibs is angry  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:30 pm : link
he lets it happen, if a youngnplayer just did what Fournier and Randle did they would both be sitting..

Fake outrage from Thibs, his hustle and athletic guys play 10 minutes a game
How is it we go on 3 minute 8-0 runs and the Cavs don't need a to  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:30 pm : link
And they get a basket and Thibs feels the need to call one all the time?
We're so godamn slow  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:32 pm : link
9 out of 10 NBA teams get a dunk off that Noel steal
If i was a young player  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:33 pm : link
id be so pissed off right now
RE: We're so godamn slow  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15572999 Stu11 said:
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9 out of 10 NBA teams get a dunk off that Noel steal


because thibs sits his athletic players
and lets get slower  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:34 pm : link
with Gibson and Burks..
The coach is fucking clueless  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 8:35 pm : link
No adjustments, just stick to doing the same shit that isn’t working over and over every game.
That's how you put a team away  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:36 pm : link
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honestly fire this dog shit coach  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:36 pm : link
Cavs running circles around the Knicks, yet Thibs continues to go with vets and play slow, i am done
Unreal  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:38 pm : link
He goes with these fucking starters for 8 minutes every 3rd quarter and stands there like an idiot and watches them piss the game away.
Ckntinue stand there with your arms crossed  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:38 pm : link
you jackass
Randle, another turnover.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 8:38 pm : link
And no effort on defense. I’m guessing he won’t talk to the media tonight.
Get Randle off the fucking court please  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 8:38 pm : link
He’s terrible
RE: Unreal  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15573015 Stu11 said:
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He goes with these fucking starters for 8 minutes every 3rd quarter and stands there like an idiot and watches them piss the game away.


and then he makes a sub and goes with 2 slower players..

Playing 2 bigs doesnt work when neither can shoot consistently..
RE: Randle, another turnover.  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15573017 bceagle05 said:
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And no effort on defense. I’m guessing he won’t talk to the media tonight.


and play 40 minutes
and what a shock Rj  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:40 pm : link
has no legs
This game pisses me off so much  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:41 pm : link
The Cavs slept walked for 2 and a half quarters. We do that at home and we're down 15-20. They were tied.
Cavs can make teams  
hitdog42 : 1/24/2022 8:41 pm : link
With bad ball movement look very poor in spurts
IQ dribbling in circles.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 8:42 pm : link
Ugh.
RE: Cavs can make teams  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15573024 hitdog42 said:
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With bad ball movement look very poor in spurts


Cavs are good but this is every game with the Knicks
RE: IQ dribbling in circles.  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15573026 bceagle05 said:
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Ugh.


Because there is always a slow ass center just standing there
and Randle will play the entire quarter  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:43 pm : link
what a joke
randle never sits  
jmalls23 : 1/24/2022 8:43 pm : link
its bizarre
RE: RE: Cavs can make teams  
hitdog42 : 1/24/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15573027 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15573024 hitdog42 said:


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With bad ball movement look very poor in spurts



Cavs are good but this is every game with the Knicks


Team built with no vision- has some good players but no vision of what they want it to look like
Shoulda took the over on  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2022 8:45 pm : link
the Cavs.
RE: RE: RE: Cavs can make teams  
adamg : 1/24/2022 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15573033 hitdog42 said:
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Team built with no vision- has some good players but no vision of what they want it to look like


They need to go all in on RJ.
Grimes getting us back in it.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 8:46 pm : link
Better get Fournier back in there.
RE: RE: RE: Cavs can make teams  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15573033 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 15573027 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 15573024 hitdog42 said:


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With bad ball movement look very poor in spurts



Cavs are good but this is every game with the Knicks



Team built with no vision- has some good players but no vision of what they want it to look like


Rose hasnt been able to make that move, they are in that stage where the Nets were before they got Durant...Not saying Knicks will get a player like that, but right now they are just collection of players until they get that guy..
amazing put a few guys who can move on the court  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:47 pm : link
and make the cavs chase them
They also thought JR  
adamg : 1/24/2022 8:48 pm : link
was going to be a lot better. He regressed. They need to pivot.
Like for 3 months Thibs sits there every 3rd quarter and watches the  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:49 pm : link
Starters shit the bed. For God sakes go to the damn bench 3 or 4 minutes earlier.
so glad Burks is a must play  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:51 pm : link
..
RE: so glad Burks is a must play  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15573053 nygiants16 said:
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Barrett or Reddish should be in over him right now.
Rose has to force Thibs hand  
adamg : 1/24/2022 8:52 pm : link
Trade Kemba and Burks
RE: RE: so glad Burks is a must play  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15573054 Mike in NJ said:
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Barrett or Reddish should be in over him right now.


nah why would you play the 6 foot 8 young athketic wing with a 7 foot wingspan, who is 22, why would you play that guy over a 30 year old who cant move?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2022 8:55 pm : link
Has Reddish even been in?
welp that will be all for Toppin  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:55 pm : link
he turned it over
I love ya Obi  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:56 pm : link
But please don't try and lead a fast break.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15573062 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Has Reddish even been in?


nope
RE: ...  
adamg : 1/24/2022 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15573062 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Has Reddish even been in?


He's out of the rotation with Kemba back apparently.
Playing Reddish  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 8:57 pm : link
would out Thibs over his quota of young athletic wings
Agree with others about Kemba and Burks.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 8:58 pm : link
They stand out as guys who need to be moved.
RE: welp that will be all for Toppin  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15573064 nygiants16 said:
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he turned it over

This should be like the Detroit game a few weeks back. Besides RJ I don't wanna see a starter the rest of the damn night.
Why is Randle up?  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 9:01 pm : link
Keep him off the court or we lose this
You are an asshole Thibs  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:01 pm : link
you are seriously taking Obi out?
here he comes  
jmalls23 : 1/24/2022 9:02 pm : link
Part of the substitution plan he put together a month ago.
sigh  
adamg : 1/24/2022 9:03 pm : link
.
For a moment  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 9:03 pm : link
I thought Thibs finally had enough of Randle, but here he is.
Randle -24, Toppin +20  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 9:03 pm : link
Clearly Randle needs to be on the floor
and there goes Randle complaining  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:04 pm : link
instead of just going to the bench after your teammate made a good play you have to go complain..
RE: Randle -24, Toppin +20  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15573082 Mike in NJ said:
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Clearly Randle needs to be on the floor


Its laughable at this point..

The youth is clearly better than the vets and Thibs refuses to changd
RJ seems to finish much better with his right than his left  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 9:05 pm : link
Wish I could look up those stats to see if it’s true, but just what I’ve noticed.
RJ set up Randle for an open three  
adamg : 1/24/2022 9:05 pm : link
and he dribble out of it. Because he's got no fucking balls.
RE: RJ seems to finish much better with his right than his left  
adamg : 1/24/2022 9:06 pm : link
In comment 15573090 Mike in NJ said:
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Wish I could look up those stats to see if it’s true, but just what I’ve noticed.


He used his left hand there.
It’s time  
PhilSimms15 : 1/24/2022 9:06 pm : link
Two years ago, the new Knicks regime counseled patience and that the Knicks would work to build up their assets.

But then last year, they were so ahead of that plan, that the management team decided to get in further and signed expensive, 30-somethings like Walker and Fournier.

Well, it’s time to realize the first strategy was the one. Lean into the young players and see what they can get for Burks, Walker, maybe Noel. I would love to see the Knicks trade Randle but his play and attitude have been awful and I don’t believe any team is going to take a player like that right now.

They should get as much time as they can for RJ, IQ, Obi, Cam, Grimes and Deuce. Of course that means the lottery but that’s better than losing a play-in game.
RE: It’s time  
adamg : 1/24/2022 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15573095 PhilSimms15 said:
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Two years ago, the new Knicks regime counseled patience and that the Knicks would work to build up their assets.

But then last year, they were so ahead of that plan, that the management team decided to get in further and signed expensive, 30-somethings like Walker and Fournier.

Well, it’s time to realize the first strategy was the one. Lean into the young players and see what they can get for Burks, Walker, maybe Noel. I would love to see the Knicks trade Randle but his play and attitude have been awful and I don’t believe any team is going to take a player like that right now.

They should get as much time as they can for RJ, IQ, Obi, Cam, Grimes and Deuce. Of course that means the lottery but that’s better than losing a play-in game.


If Obi starts to shoot like he has tonight. They might make a play in with the kids playing the bulk of the minutes.
Randle you moron  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:08 pm : link
..
Grimes is untouchable  
adamg : 1/24/2022 9:09 pm : link
He's the goods
RE: It’s time  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15573095 PhilSimms15 said:
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Two years ago, the new Knicks regime counseled patience and that the Knicks would work to build up their assets.

But then last year, they were so ahead of that plan, that the management team decided to get in further and signed expensive, 30-somethings like Walker and Fournier.

Well, it’s time to realize the first strategy was the one. Lean into the young players and see what they can get for Burks, Walker, maybe Noel. I would love to see the Knicks trade Randle but his play and attitude have been awful and I don’t believe any team is going to take a player like that right now.

They should get as much time as they can for RJ, IQ, Obi, Cam, Grimes and Deuce. Of course that means the lottery but that’s better than losing a play-in game.


If you lose play in your in lottery..

I think the youth should get the majority kf minutes with vets sprinkled in
so glad randle is in the game  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:12 pm : link
and you run a play for him rather than Rj, honestly fuck off Thibs
RE: so glad randle is in the game  
adamg : 1/24/2022 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15573103 nygiants16 said:
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and you run a play for him rather than Rj, honestly fuck off Thibs
might have lost the game with that plauy
Game was going great  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 9:15 pm : link
until The Julius Randle Show began.
Thibs is such a joke  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:15 pm : link
..
Randle completely clueless in clutch situations  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 9:15 pm : link
Guy fuckin picks up his dribble for no reason
Cavs are a very good team  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 9:16 pm : link
But it's a crime to lose this game. They showed up for 5 minutes in the 3rd quarter and that's it.
Randle is the dumbest player on this team.  
CooperDash : 1/24/2022 9:16 pm : link
Such a low basketball IQ.
why are you taking a 3?  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:17 pm : link
i meam come on
Why?  
CooperDash : 1/24/2022 9:18 pm : link
All you needed was two points. Why take a shot 5 feet past the three point line?
100 bucks says this play is run for Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:18 pm : link
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Not sure .7 seconds came off there.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 9:18 pm : link
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Please do not throw it to Randle  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 9:18 pm : link
He won’t even get a shot off
RE: Why?  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15573114 CooperDash said:
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All you needed was two points. Why take a shot 5 feet past the three point line?


Because Randle looked off Rj who has been getting to the Lane at will only to set him up for a worse shot
They fixed it, good.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 9:19 pm : link
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Honestly fire this coach  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:21 pm : link
are you fucking serious? that is what you draw up?
Lol, what a joke. Fuck Randle.  
CooperDash : 1/24/2022 9:21 pm : link
Dude sucks.
Fuck Thibs  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 9:21 pm : link
And fuck Randle, such a bum
Sweet play call Thibs  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 9:21 pm : link
Did you consult with all 8 asst coaches on that gem?
Did Fizdale draw that one up?  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 9:22 pm : link
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My unborn niece could’ve drawn up a similar play  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/24/2022 9:22 pm : link
Thibs is seriously hurting this team  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:23 pm : link
he took out one of his best players tonight after making a 3, ofr what? that lineup was playing great defense moving the ball and scoring..

I mean come on..The youth clearly gives you the best chance to win and you sit there and give the vets more minutes..

The fact Randle came back into this game was an absolute joke and then you run the final play for him instead of trying to get Grimes who was hot from 3
Freeing up Grimes for a three would’ve been nice.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 9:24 pm : link
I think I saw him hit a few tonight.
The way forward for this team  
bluefin : 1/24/2022 9:26 pm : link
is through Barrett and Grimes. Build around that.
I think the play was designed to post up Barrett  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/24/2022 9:26 pm : link
TWENTY FEET from the basket.
Any doubt Randle, and Thibs indirectly, lost this game?  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2022 9:27 pm : link
Randle made so many defensive mistakes down the stretch. His only good offensive play down the stretch was a missed call by the refs too.

Why does Leon Rose let Thibs do this?
Gonna be a long couple of weeks.  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 9:29 pm : link
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Honestly  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:31 pm : link
if you went with youth with Rose, Gibson or Noel sprinkled in, would they be 500 or better?

Honestly what does it hurt?

I am encouraged by RJ’s play. He needs to score in the game using  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
angles, strength and his being left handed.

Again, Randle needs to be off this team. Please take Thibs with him too.
RE: The way forward for this team  
Del Shofner : 1/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15573136 bluefin said:
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is through Barrett and Grimes. Build around that.


Agree.
Quickley, Grimes and Obi  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
all plus's tonight, amazing what happens when you out guys on the court who are going to run and play defense
I mean put the lousy offense and TO's aside  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
How about Randle grabbing a reb every once in awhile and not letting the ice cold Cavs get tons of 2nd chances in the 4th especially leading to that Garland dagger...
Need to trade Kamba and Burks. Maybe see if someone will take  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2022 9:35 pm : link
Randle and Fournier.

Obi and Grimes need to be given the same leash that Quickley and Randle have.
RE: Thibs is seriously hurting this team  
Del Shofner : 1/24/2022 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15573133 nygiants16 said:
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Agree. The criticism of him is that he played to win and used vets too much. Correct on point 2 but I don't see that he's playing to win. I know we're the armchair amateurs but I've been around hoops a long time, played a lot back in the day, and Thibs just seems blind to the obvious.
NBA referees routinely call the littlest of foot shuffles as travels.  
CooperDash : 1/24/2022 9:36 pm : link
ALL THE TIME

But somehow missed Garlands foot shuffle followed by 5 STEPS before taking that three pointer? At a pivotal point in the game?

Yeah, tell me that referees don’t control outcomes of games.
RE: RE: Thibs is seriously hurting this team  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15573154 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 15573133 nygiants16 said:


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Agree. The criticism of him is that he played to win and used vets too much. Correct on point 2 but I don't see that he's playing to win. I know we're the armchair amateurs but I've been around hoops a long time, played a lot back in the day, and Thibs just seems blind to the obvious.


I get Thibs coaches to win, but how can he not see how mich better this team plays when the youth is on the court..

Any coach in the NBA right now would not be playing 2 bigs at all times..its clunky and makes your team slow and easy to defend..

That playoff series against Atlanta  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 9:41 pm : link
Has changed Randles career. I mean having a bad series isn’t uncommon, but it has shook him. He doesn’t even seem like a good candidate when you were thinking this guy could be the captain of New York.

Really is unexplainable. His trade value has sunk. Change of scenery may be in order. And that’s something you wouldn’t have even thought about last year.
Last play wasn’t intended for Randle, but Wade was holding RJ.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2022 9:43 pm : link
Still, gotta draw up a better play.

I really do not want to see Randle bring up the ball ever again.
Randle's trade value is fine  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 9:44 pm : link
The diehards are always brutal on our own stars. If you made Randle available I guarantee you'd get multiple solid offers.
Randle passed the ball to RJ too late on the play before.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/24/2022 9:46 pm : link
Thibs talking about letting RJ attack, so why did you let Randle dribble aimlessly and waste valuable time?
I’m sorry - hate harping of officiating but the NBA is the only  
CooperDash : 1/24/2022 9:47 pm : link
sport where the refs make conscious decisions to change how they officiate at pivotal points in the game and ignore blatant penalties that they obviously see. It’s such a joke and I don’t know how anyone can take this league seriously.
RE: NBA referees routinely call the littlest of foot shuffles as travels.  
Stu11 : 1/24/2022 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15573155 CooperDash said:
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ALL THE TIME

But somehow missed Garlands foot shuffle followed by 5 STEPS before taking that three pointer? At a pivotal point in the game?

Yeah, tell me that referees don’t control outcomes of games.

Can't wait to get the final 2 minute officiating report for tonight on Wednesday telling us the refs fucked us a once again and there should have been a travel called there. That always makes me feel so much better. Just like the Minnesota report telling us the they fucked us 3 times in the final 2 minutes...
I still cant believe Thibs went back to Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 9:54 pm : link
when Obi and that lineup was rolling
Late night for me in the office tonight and I missed this.  
Mike from SI : 1/24/2022 10:04 pm : link
1 to 10 scale how bad was this?
honestly  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 10:07 pm : link
how much fun would a lineup be of Quick, Rj, Grimes, Reddish and Mitch or Rose, Rj, Reddish Obi, Mitch..

The athleticism and length of some lineups you could make with the youth and that doesnt include Mcbride who is a pest defensively but is long..

Even if they dont shoot well their defense would lead to a lot of transition baskets..

Are they stars? no but it would be fun to watch them grow together with a couple of vets to help them and be role players
Randle negotiated the max 15% trade kicker  
shyster : 1/24/2022 10:07 pm : link
which applies to the balance remaining on his contract, which goes for four years past this season.

Knicks would have to pay it but the cap hit would go to the acquiring team.

Adding 15% to 4/29M translates to a 4/33.6M cap hit.

I doubt teams are watching Randle and saying, yeah, I want to take that on.

Let alone give up anything for it.
RE: Late night for me in the office tonight and I missed this.  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15573188 Mike from SI said:
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1 to 10 scale how bad was this?


it wasnt bad ina sense they dint get blown out, basically youth played well and the vets played like crap..

Randle of course got free reign to do whatever even though he was horrible
RE: Randle negotiated the max 15% trade kicker  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15573195 shyster said:
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which applies to the balance remaining on his contract, which goes for four years past this season.

Knicks would have to pay it but the cap hit would go to the acquiring team.

Adding 15% to 4/29M translates to a 4/33.6M cap hit.

I doubt teams are watching Randle and saying, yeah, I want to take that on.

Let alone give up anything for it.


I would trade him for a bag of balls at this point
Almost time to sell….  
bceagle05 : 1/24/2022 10:12 pm : link
@ Heat
@ Bucks
vs. Kings
vs. Grizzlies
@ Lakers
@ Jazz
@ Nuggets
@ Warriors
RE: RE: Late night for me in the office tonight and I missed this.  
Mike from SI : 1/24/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15573197 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15573188 Mike from SI said:


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1 to 10 scale how bad was this?



it wasnt bad ina sense they dint get blown out, basically youth played well and the vets played like crap..

Randle of course got free reign to do whatever even though he was horrible


So annoying.
Burks played 18 minutes  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 10:15 pm : link
3 boards and 4 assists but 0 for 4 from the field and -3, Reddish couldnt get those minutes?

Kemba and Fournier played a combined 40 minutes, 7 for 17, 1 for 9 from 3, 1 assist and 15 points, you mean to tell me those 40 minutes cant be spread out more to Grimes and Quick and a couple to Reddish and get better production?

58 minutes of crap handed to the vets
RE: honestly  
Vanzetti : 1/24/2022 11:09 pm : link
In comment 15573192 nygiants16 said:
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how much fun would a lineup be of Quick, Rj, Grimes, Reddish and Mitch or Rose, Rj, Reddish Obi, Mitch..

The athleticism and length of some lineups you could make with the youth and that doesnt include Mcbride who is a pest defensively but is long..

Even if they dont shoot well their defense would lead to a lot of transition baskets..

Are they stars? no but it would be fun to watch them grow together with a couple of vets to help them and be role players


If they kept that young core and played them, they would be a 50 win team within 3 years
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