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adamg : 1/24/2022 10:54 am
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Cavs are legit  
Br00klyn : 1/24/2022 10:58 am : link
probably no Mitch which is a big problem against their bigs. hoping for the best but expecting a loss for the Knicks tonight
..  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 11:26 am : link
Noel is probable, Kemba and Mitch are both questionable..

Just sit Kemba until a trade or buyout can happen please
Mobley is back right  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2022 11:32 am : link
?

He is the real deal.
yup hes been playing  
hitdog42 : 1/24/2022 11:35 am : link
main issue for cavs is bench guard play when rubio went down.

twin towers + Garland have been excellent
RE: yup hes been playing  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15571749 hitdog42 said:
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main issue for cavs is bench guard play when rubio went down.

twin towers + Garland have been excellent


Garland should be an all star, he is their engine and is making the game easy for Mobley..
How Do They Get Minutes For Reddish?  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/24/2022 11:47 am : link
Someone is going to have to be moved to open up more minutes for Reddish. His defense is is his calling card which they need on the floor. SO who gets moved?
RE: How Do They Get Minutes For Reddish?  
adamg : 1/24/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15571775 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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Someone is going to have to be moved to open up more minutes for Reddish. His defense is is his calling card which they need on the floor. SO who gets moved?


If they move Obi or Randle would he be able to man the 4?
I think  
NYG22 : 1/24/2022 12:02 pm : link
Fournier will be moved. Its clear Thibs isn't a fan.

Perhaps as part of a package for Jalen Brunson (FA next summer but there are strong ties between NYK and Brunson); something like Fournier, Quickley for Brunson, Bullock, Klieber.
RE: How Do They Get Minutes For Reddish?  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15571775 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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Someone is going to have to be moved to open up more minutes for Reddish. His defense is is his calling card which they need on the floor. SO who gets moved?


They are going to make a trade, you dint trade for someone who requested a trade to get a bigger role and then give him a smaller role and less minutes, just doesnt make sense and you piss off agents that way..

Trade has to be made
RE: I think  
adamg : 1/24/2022 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15571809 NYG22 said:
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Fournier will be moved. Its clear Thibs isn't a fan.

Perhaps as part of a package for Jalen Brunson (FA next summer but there are strong ties between NYK and Brunson); something like Fournier, Quickley for Brunson, Bullock, Klieber.


2 for 3 to solve the logjam?
I think trading Burks and Kemba for picks  
adamg : 1/24/2022 12:20 pm : link
Would be one avenue
RE: RE: I think  
NYG22 : 1/24/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15571842 adamg said:
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In comment 15571809 NYG22 said:


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Fournier will be moved. Its clear Thibs isn't a fan.

Perhaps as part of a package for Jalen Brunson (FA next summer but there are strong ties between NYK and Brunson); something like Fournier, Quickley for Brunson, Bullock, Klieber.



2 for 3 to solve the logjam?


True, but I was focused on 3 things:

1 getting Brunson
2 matching salary
3 as a wing (Reddish's spot), I would think Bullock is going to demand a lot less minutes than Fournier
RE: RE: RE: I think  
adamg : 1/24/2022 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15571859 NYG22 said:
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In comment 15571842 adamg said:


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In comment 15571809 NYG22 said:


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Fournier will be moved. Its clear Thibs isn't a fan.

Perhaps as part of a package for Jalen Brunson (FA next summer but there are strong ties between NYK and Brunson); something like Fournier, Quickley for Brunson, Bullock, Klieber.



2 for 3 to solve the logjam?



True, but I was focused on 3 things:

1 getting Brunson
2 matching salary
3 as a wing (Reddish's spot), I would think Bullock is going to demand a lot less minutes than Fournier


It makes sense if they make a couple other moves.
I could see  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 1:06 pm : link
Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him
RE: I could see  
NYG22 : 1/24/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15571955 nygiants16 said:
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Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him


I don't think you're far off but I'd like to keep Grimes (which sounds silly given his pre-draft projection compared to Obi).
RE: I could see  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15571955 nygiants16 said:
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Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him


No reason to trade Noel for a 2nd given Mitch's injury history imo.
What about Deuce and Obi with the DAL first for Brunson?  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:25 pm : link
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RE: What about Deuce and Obi with the DAL first for Brunson?  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15572004 adamg said:
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Lmao. Need to add Frank for salary purposes.
I don't want to touch any of IQ, Grimes, RJ, Cam or Mitch tbh  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:30 pm : link
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RE: I could see  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15571955 nygiants16 said:
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Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him


I would hang on to Noel, Mitch hasn’t been durable enough to move Nerlens. The guy I would move is Burks. Let Reddish get the ~15 minutes behind RJ. Can maybe get a late first for Burks.
RE: RE: I could see  
adamg : 1/24/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15572018 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 15571955 nygiants16 said:


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Obi and either quick or Grimes and their first back for Brunson and filler..

Kemba either traded or bought out..

Noel for filler and a 2nd..

Brunson/rose
Fournier/quick or Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/reddish
Mitch/Gibson

Id Like Burks traded for a pick but i dont think they do it because Thibs likes him



I would hang on to Noel, Mitch hasn’t been durable enough to move Nerlens. The guy I would move is Burks. Let Reddish get the ~15 minutes behind RJ. Can maybe get a late first for Burks.


Agreed. Burks and Kemba are the easily moveable parts right now.
I dont think Noel is needed  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 1:54 pm : link
He is hurt all the time and if we want to bring back Mitch, no reason to be payong Noel so much..

Rather see sims
If I am Dallas  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 1:58 pm : link
I am packaging Brunson with Porzingis and trying to get as much back as possible. Boston is an interesting fit since Brown/Tatum wont work and Schoeder wont be back in Boston next year.

Porzingis, Brunson, and picks for brown?
RE: If I am Dallas  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15572081 GNewGiants said:
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I am packaging Brunson with Porzingis and trying to get as much back as possible. Boston is an interesting fit since Brown/Tatum wont work and Schoeder wont be back in Boston next year.

Porzingis, Brunson, and picks for brown?


Salary of that works. The trade would represent a major failure for DAL though. Not sure BOS would take that either.
Oh wait  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:05 pm : link
Can DAL trade picks? Is that why they need their first back?
Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 2:06 pm : link
never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown
Three team trade?  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:07 pm : link
We trade their first back and get Brunson and add Obi and another piece to the deal?

BOS gets Porzingis, Obi, and picks.

DAL gets Brown
Salary doesn't work.  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:10 pm : link
Idk. Seems like DAL and NYK are the best fits for each other.
Porzingis would seem better suited for a different trade, so they can maximize Brunson's value
RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15572095 nygiants16 said:
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never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown


KP and brunson. They need a PG as well.
RE: Salary doesn't work.  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15572103 adamg said:
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Idk. Seems like DAL and NYK are the best fits for each other.
Porzingis would seem better suited for a different trade, so they can maximize Brunson's value


I hate to be the bearer of bad news.... but Brunsons value is something the Knicks dont have.

Dallas, who is a playoff team, is not trading their 2nd/3rd best player for Obi, Grimes, or Quick. No chance. Obi cant get off the bench for a .500 team. And Dallas/Luka LOVES Kleber - so Obi is not that attractive to them.
RE: RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15572152 GNewGiants said:
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never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown



KP and brunson. They need a PG as well.


I didnt see Brunson carry on, good trade for Boston
RE: RE: RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15572161 nygiants16 said:
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never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown



KP and brunson. They need a PG as well.



I didnt see Brunson carry on, good trade for Boston


Can DAL include picks?
RE: RE: Salary doesn't work.  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15572157 GNewGiants said:
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Idk. Seems like DAL and NYK are the best fits for each other.
Porzingis would seem better suited for a different trade, so they can maximize Brunson's value



I hate to be the bearer of bad news.... but Brunsons value is something the Knicks dont have.

Dallas, who is a playoff team, is not trading their 2nd/3rd best player for Obi, Grimes, or Quick. No chance. Obi cant get off the bench for a .500 team. And Dallas/Luka LOVES Kleber - so Obi is not that attractive to them.


That's fine. Brunson is a good fit for the Knicks, but it's not the end of the world if they can't trade for him at the deadline. There's a chance they can sign him in the offseason. And even still, Deuce may end up being a starting PG when Thibs is gone and a newer coach isn't as averse to playing kids.
IMO,  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 2:51 pm : link
I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15572186 adamg said:
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never going to happen, Kp and Tatum is a worse fit than Tatum and Brown



KP and brunson. They need a PG as well.



I didnt see Brunson carry on, good trade for Boston



Can DAL include picks?


not until 2027 i think
RE: IMO,  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15572199 GNewGiants said:
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I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.


It doesn't make sense for them to trade him since there's no way they've improving this year's team with the trade. I bet the Knicks get him in the offseason. Lines up too perfectly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Boston is not trading Brown for KP  
adamg : 1/24/2022 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15572206 nygiants16 said:
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not until 2027 i think


Don't see BOS making that trade then.

KP on his contract with a Brunson rental and no picks for their second best player?
RE: IMO,  
adamg : 1/24/2022 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15572199 GNewGiants said:
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I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.


But they are losing him for nothing in the offseason. I suppose they make a big move after the draft when their pick transfers to the Knicks and they can move Porzingis, eh?
Herring's  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:23 pm : link
book has a lot of stuff I never knew/considered.

The Knicks took Monty Williams despite the fact their own team doctor said he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NBA due to the risks. David Falk (Williams agent) suggested he retire, and the Knicks took him anyway, instead stationing an ambulance in the tunnels on game day. Nuts.
RE: Herring's  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15572268 DanMetroMan said:
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book has a lot of stuff I never knew/considered.

The Knicks took Monty Williams despite the fact their own team doctor said he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NBA due to the risks. David Falk (Williams agent) suggested he retire, and the Knicks took him anyway, instead stationing an ambulance in the tunnels on game day. Nuts.


just ordered it, excited to read it
Or  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:36 pm : link
how Rolando Blackman pissed off Riley asking to have the wives be allowed to attend the finals and there is a strong belief this is why Riley was so hesitant to go to him in game 7.

- The Heat basically tampered in order to land Riley. Riley discussed leaving the Knicks if he didn't get an ownership stake and Riley's friend Dick Butera was a potential buyer of the Heat. He and Arison worked together to land Riley.
Riley  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:37 pm : link
was an animal (both good and bad) arguably the biggest talent loss of any of my favorite teams during my lifetime.
RE: RE: IMO,  
Mike in NJ : 1/24/2022 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15572207 adamg said:
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I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.



It doesn't make sense for them to trade him since there's no way they've improving this year's team with the trade. I bet the Knicks get him in the offseason. Lines up too perfectly.


Might work out better for the Knicks if it happens in the offseason. Maybe they could then trade Fournier plus one of Obi, Grimes and Quickley, rather than 2 of the young guys, to make the salaries work.
RE: RE: RE: IMO,  
adamg : 1/24/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15572380 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 15572199 GNewGiants said:


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I think Dallas holds onto him in the playoffs and lose him in the offseason.

Dallas is like the 5th or 6th seed. I cant see them getting rid of them for bench help.



It doesn't make sense for them to trade him since there's no way they've improving this year's team with the trade. I bet the Knicks get him in the offseason. Lines up too perfectly.



Might work out better for the Knicks if it happens in the offseason. Maybe they could then trade Fournier plus one of Obi, Grimes and Quickley, rather than 2 of the young guys, to make the salaries work.


Honestly, maybe the Fournier contract looks attractive in the offseason and nets a second or two. They don't have to go through DAL in the offseason.
I wouod be shocked  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 4:16 pm : link
if the Knicks dont make a trade and get a point at the deadline..

Maybe its not Brunson, but id be shocked if they didnt get someone and trade some of the deoth away
RE: I wouod be shocked  
adamg : 1/24/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15572427 nygiants16 said:
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if the Knicks dont make a trade and get a point at the deadline..

Maybe its not Brunson, but id be shocked if they didnt get someone and trade some of the deoth away


You don't think they'll just ride IQ, Burks and Rose?

Who is out there even? There's not a lot of PGs on the market...
No i dont  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 5:11 pm : link
just a gut feeling, Rose stood pat at deadline last year, dont see it this year, he is going to make a move, especially with the log jam they have
RE: No i dont  
adamg : 1/24/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15572602 nygiants16 said:
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just a gut feeling, Rose stood pat at deadline last year, dont see it this year, he is going to make a move, especially with the log jam they have


I definitely think they'll make a move. Just don't know that it'll be to add a PG.
RE: RE: No i dont  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15572605 adamg said:
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just a gut feeling, Rose stood pat at deadline last year, dont see it this year, he is going to make a move, especially with the log jam they have



I definitely think they'll make a move. Just don't know that it'll be to add a PG.


It may be a marginal guy, maybe like a Dj Augustin or a PG like that
Kemba is playing  
nygiants16 : 1/24/2022 5:43 pm : link
mitch game time decision
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