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Daniel Jones trade idea - Colts

Jim in Forest Hills : 1/24/2022 11:17 am
Can the Colts count on Wentz? Thats one team that's playoffs or bust next year after that poor showing in the season finale.

Wentz is the starter but they need a quality backup. You don't want to risk a playoff run with a rookie QB or someone with no experience like Ehlinger. Enter Daniel Jones.

Colts have a young WR that due to injury has never fulfilled his promise. Parris Campbell has all world traits but has not played a full season yet. On top of that the Colts are deep at WR and he's in a walk year.

Propose trading Daniel Jones for Parris Campbell and a 4th rd selection #119.

Colts secure a quality backup and putting Jones behind that OL and skill talent? He can win games for you should Wentz implode or get hurt.

Campbell gets a shot with a new regime with no healthy bodies at WR, badly needing an X. Slayton is likely gone as is Shep.

Giants get a 4th rd pick, likely take a skill player (WR/RB/TE).

Giants select a QB on day 2 to compete with a vet backup. They will lose in 2022 regardless of who plays QB.
I don't think anyone is trading  
Kevin in Annapolis : 1/24/2022 11:22 am : link
For Jones until he can pass a physical. Anyone know the timeline in that
The Colts have  
ajr2456 : 1/24/2022 11:22 am : link
A roster ready to compete. They’ll be looking for a far better QB than Jones
Interesting idea.  
RHPeel : 1/24/2022 11:23 am : link
I actually think this probably undersells Jones' value (slightly), given what it took to acquire Sam Darnold, and/or Wentz himself.

For a third rounder and Campbell I'd take this deal. Get Mariota or Trubisky, draft a QB Day 2, and see what happens.
RE: The Colts have  
GNewGiants : 1/24/2022 11:24 am : link
In comment 15571720 ajr2456 said:
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A roster ready to compete. They’ll be looking for a far better QB than Jones


Thats the team Russell Wilson should be looking to go too. But I am not sure Indy has the assets to give to Seattle.
RE: The Colts have  
eric2425ny : 1/24/2022 11:25 am : link
In comment 15571720 ajr2456 said:
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A roster ready to compete. They’ll be looking for a far better QB than Jones


This, and Jones has a neck injury. I would imagine the Colts will be on the lookout for someone like Aaron Rodgers. That team is built to win now.
And then what are you doing in 2023 when you still have no QB?  
Snablats : 1/24/2022 11:26 am : link
Why waste a draft pick in the second or third round on a quarterback whose odds of turning out to be your guy are slim and none
I like this idea  
cosmicj : 1/24/2022 11:27 am : link
and think people aren’t reading Jim’s post carefully. Jones would be acquired to be a quality backup for Wentz, who played well this season.
Do teams typically give up  
Mike from Ohio : 1/24/2022 11:32 am : link
players and 4th round picks for a backup QB?

It also can't happen this offseason because of the doubts about Jones' neck.
RE: Do teams typically give up  
dpinzow : 1/24/2022 11:33 am : link
In comment 15571741 Mike from Ohio said:
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players and 4th round picks for a backup QB?

It also can't happen this offseason because of the doubts about Jones' neck.


A 4th round pick for a backup QB can happen. Probably not players though
Rogers  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/24/2022 11:35 am : link
should go to the 49ers. They would be really tough with him in the fold.
If what Jones himself said is accurate  
JonC : 1/24/2022 11:37 am : link
and he's not to be cleared for contact until August, a trade doesn't seem likely. If this is agent talking, then NYG has some recon to do internally to clear up the fog and make a decision that's best for NYG and their immediate future.
I keep Jones  
DavidinBMNY : 1/24/2022 11:44 am : link
And Deal Barkley to the Rams. Barkley becomes a 1 year rental (you take a 3 for him to get him off the books). Barkley's not that expensive either this year. He's an attractive trade prospect for the right team. Compensation is a diferent story but he's pretty chak.

QB is the most important position in football. Giants had no one behind Jones at all. Now if the Giants could get a 1 for Jones (not happening) then I'd do it, but for a 3rd rd pick they can get that back in a comp pick for the following year.
RE: Rogers  
DavidinBMNY : 1/24/2022 11:47 am : link
In comment 15571748 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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should go to the 49ers. They would be really tough with him in the fold.
I think he's going to Denver or retiring.
RE: I keep Jones  
Mike from Ohio : 1/24/2022 11:49 am : link
In comment 15571767 DavidinBMNY said:
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And Deal Barkley to the Rams. Barkley becomes a 1 year rental (you take a 3 for him to get him off the books). Barkley's not that expensive either this year. He's an attractive trade prospect for the right team. Compensation is a diferent story but he's pretty chak.

QB is the most important position in football. Giants had no one behind Jones at all. Now if the Giants could get a 1 for Jones (not happening) then I'd do it, but for a 3rd rd pick they can get that back in a comp pick for the following year.


The Rams already have Akers. Why would they give up a 3rd round pick for Barkley on a one year rental?
RE: I keep Jones  
AcidTest : 1/24/2022 11:50 am : link
In comment 15571767 DavidinBMNY said:
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And Deal Barkley to the Rams. Barkley becomes a 1 year rental (you take a 3 for him to get him off the books). Barkley's not that expensive either this year. He's an attractive trade prospect for the right team. Compensation is a diferent story but he's pretty chak.

QB is the most important position in football. Giants had no one behind Jones at all. Now if the Giants could get a 1 for Jones (not happening) then I'd do it, but for a 3rd rd pick they can get that back in a comp pick for the following year.


The Rams traded their second and third round picks to Denver for Von Miller.

Because of his neck injury, I don't think Jones has any trade value. According to the article on Giants.com, the earliest he'd be cleared for contact is late spring.

Jones and Barkley will likely be here for this year and gone afterwards. Use 2022 to clear out as many bad contracts as possible, and then continue the process by letting both of them go in 2023.
RE: RE: I keep Jones  
FStubbs : 1/24/2022 11:51 am : link
In comment 15571781 Mike from Ohio said:
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And Deal Barkley to the Rams. Barkley becomes a 1 year rental (you take a 3 for him to get him off the books). Barkley's not that expensive either this year. He's an attractive trade prospect for the right team. Compensation is a diferent story but he's pretty chak.

QB is the most important position in football. Giants had no one behind Jones at all. Now if the Giants could get a 1 for Jones (not happening) then I'd do it, but for a 3rd rd pick they can get that back in a comp pick for the following year.



The Rams already have Akers. Why would they give up a 3rd round pick for Barkley on a one year rental?


Granted I haven't watched enough Rams games but based on yesterday I'd rather have Barkley than Akers, and I'm no fan of Barkley's.
Jones  
Thegratefulhead : 1/24/2022 11:52 am : link
Is gone or a back up.

If he had played better, the last GM and head coach would still be here.

That fact will not be lost on anyone taking those jobs.
RE: RE: I keep Jones  
Section331 : 1/24/2022 11:53 am : link
In comment 15571781 Mike from Ohio said:
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And Deal Barkley to the Rams. Barkley becomes a 1 year rental (you take a 3 for him to get him off the books). Barkley's not that expensive either this year. He's an attractive trade prospect for the right team. Compensation is a diferent story but he's pretty chak.

QB is the most important position in football. Giants had no one behind Jones at all. Now if the Giants could get a 1 for Jones (not happening) then I'd do it, but for a 3rd rd pick they can get that back in a comp pick for the following year.



The Rams already have Akers. Why would they give up a 3rd round pick for Barkley on a one year rental?


Akers leaves the ball on the ground a lot, and almost singlehandedly cost the Rams the game yesterday. For his faults, Saquon is very secure with the ball.
From what I have heard, the Colts are not all then enamoured  
PatersonPlank : 1/24/2022 11:55 am : link
with Wentz anymore. Getting a guy like Jones, who could also be a starter instead of Wentz, may be attractive. Worst case it gives Wentz some competition. Remember Wentz's last game was horrible and cost them the playoffs.
This is not that crazy  
Jerry in_DC : 1/24/2022 11:58 am : link
Wentz is flawed and injury prone. The Colts might be looking for a real upgrade - they should be. But if they don't there's an argument to be made for bringing in a Jones-level QB at a low cost.
there are teams that will have interest  
GiantsFan84 : 1/24/2022 12:00 pm : link
saints, colts, steelers, broncos, seattle (if they trade russ), all come to mind
RE: RE: RE: I keep Jones  
ajr2456 : 1/24/2022 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15571790 Section331 said:
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And Deal Barkley to the Rams. Barkley becomes a 1 year rental (you take a 3 for him to get him off the books). Barkley's not that expensive either this year. He's an attractive trade prospect for the right team. Compensation is a diferent story but he's pretty chak.

QB is the most important position in football. Giants had no one behind Jones at all. Now if the Giants could get a 1 for Jones (not happening) then I'd do it, but for a 3rd rd pick they can get that back in a comp pick for the following year.



The Rams already have Akers. Why would they give up a 3rd round pick for Barkley on a one year rental?



Akers leaves the ball on the ground a lot, and almost singlehandedly cost the Rams the game yesterday. For his faults, Saquon is very secure with the ball.


Akers had 1 fumble in 150 regular season carries
Just to be clear  
jvm52106 : 1/24/2022 12:04 pm : link
You want to acquire a WR that has missed more games with injury than he has played?? Makes sense with this team for the last 5 years.
RE: there are teams that will have interest  
upnyg : 1/24/2022 12:08 pm : link
In comment 15571803 GiantsFan84 said:
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saints, colts, steelers, broncos, seattle (if they trade russ), all come to mind

Vikings, if they get out of Cousins deal
The Vikings would rather pay Cousins  
ajr2456 : 1/24/2022 12:09 pm : link
Than have Jones as their starting QB
 
christian : 1/24/2022 12:11 pm : link
Jones’s roster bonus is likely due in March. If you read the tea leaves, it’s doubtful he can pass a physical by then, so no trade beforehand.

Once that bonus is paid, there’s virtually no financial advantage in trading him. Which means the next logical window to consider a trade is after the draft.

The Giants have the firepower to move up into round one and get a target who falls. I suspect that’s a real possibility.

Then you can trade Jones for a conditional pick to a team who needs a backup/lottery ticket.
Why would the Colts want Jones  
Producer : 1/24/2022 12:12 pm : link
Wentz is better and wven he is not good enough.
the Colts aren't going to make another trade for a QB  
UConn4523 : 1/24/2022 12:14 pm : link
and getting to the playoffs is the problem, so giving up even more picks right now when they need other upgrades doesn't seem wise.
RE: there are teams that will have interest  
UConn4523 : 1/24/2022 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15571803 GiantsFan84 said:
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saints, colts, steelers, broncos, seattle (if they trade russ), all come to mind


Agreed. I think Jones will have a market for sure. No idea what the pricetag will be though.
RE: Do teams typically give up  
bw in dc : 1/24/2022 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15571741 Mike from Ohio said:
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players and 4th round picks for a backup QB?

It also can't happen this offseason because of the doubts about Jones' neck.


The health hurdle is the issue.

The Eagles did give up a 6th pick for Minshew, who was starting for Jacksonville until he got hurt in 2020. I'd take a 6th for Jones right now.
Jones isn’t even an upgrade over Wentz  
Breeze_94 : 1/24/2022 12:44 pm : link
Doubt the Colts would want any part of him in a trade
Also Slayton under contract  
Breeze_94 : 1/24/2022 12:46 pm : link
So I’d guess he is on the roster for preseason at the very least. No sense in cutting him since they won’t save much money and he at least has shown flashes (although he is very inconsistent)
RE: RE: RE: I keep Jones  
Gmen1982 : 1/24/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15571790 Section331 said:
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And Deal Barkley to the Rams. Barkley becomes a 1 year rental (you take a 3 for him to get him off the books). Barkley's not that expensive either this year. He's an attractive trade prospect for the right team. Compensation is a diferent story but he's pretty chak.

QB is the most important position in football. Giants had no one behind Jones at all. Now if the Giants could get a 1 for Jones (not happening) then I'd do it, but for a 3rd rd pick they can get that back in a comp pick for the following year.



The Rams already have Akers. Why would they give up a 3rd round pick for Barkley on a one year rental?



Akers leaves the ball on the ground a lot, and almost singlehandedly cost the Rams the game yesterday. For his faults, Saquon is very secure with the ball.


Akers isn't afraid to run inside the tackles.
Lots of teams looking for a quarterback  
kelly : 1/24/2022 12:55 pm : link
Jones would be much better on a team with a good offense. A team might take a flyer on him and give up a low second round pick, hoping that catch lightning in a bottle. New Orleans, Pittsburg etc.

But then the Giants have no quarterback.

Willis will be first quarterback taken after watching Mahomes and Allen. He is the only one in the draft who has that potential. Not saying he will reach his potential but teams will be looking for the next Allen/Mahomes.
So, Sam Darnold nets more than a 2nd and  
robbieballs2003 : 1/24/2022 1:20 pm : link
Jones would only net a 4th?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I keep Jones  
PatersonPlank : 1/24/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15571923 Gmen1982 said:
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And Deal Barkley to the Rams. Barkley becomes a 1 year rental (you take a 3 for him to get him off the books). Barkley's not that expensive either this year. He's an attractive trade prospect for the right team. Compensation is a diferent story but he's pretty chak.

QB is the most important position in football. Giants had no one behind Jones at all. Now if the Giants could get a 1 for Jones (not happening) then I'd do it, but for a 3rd rd pick they can get that back in a comp pick for the following year.



The Rams already have Akers. Why would they give up a 3rd round pick for Barkley on a one year rental?



Akers leaves the ball on the ground a lot, and almost singlehandedly cost the Rams the game yesterday. For his faults, Saquon is very secure with the ball.



Akers isn't afraid to run inside the tackles.


This is a BBI myth. The Giants have Barkley running between the tackles 90% of the time, and he was getting yardage. The last game he ran for 5 yds per carry, and 100 yds, between the tackles.
RE: So, Sam Darnold nets more than a 2nd and  
Producer : 1/24/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15571991 robbieballs2003 said:
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Jones would only net a 4th?


The market is not as efficient as you are implying. It takes one HC/GM to want a QB. In the absence of someone who believes Jones can be the answer, then you will not get a 2nd for Jones.
RE: So, Sam Darnold nets more than a 2nd and  
bw in dc : 1/24/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15571991 robbieballs2003 said:
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Jones would only net a 4th?


That should be the comp if healthy. At least the starting point. But my guess is the market will think Carolina overpaid for Darnold and want less for a player of similar skills.
RE: RE: So, Sam Darnold nets more than a 2nd and  
Producer : 1/24/2022 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15572043 bw in dc said:
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Jones would only net a 4th?



That should be the comp if healthy. At least the starting point. But my guess is the market will think Carolina overpaid for Darnold and want less for a player of similar skills.


read my comment just above your comment. The market is one team. Maybe two. And if they don't have faith in Jones, we will never get a 2nd.
Stop the nonsense  
Paul326 : 1/24/2022 1:54 pm : link
The Giants don't have the money next year to bring in a replacement that's at least as good as Jones and then they have to find somebody interested in taking the job on a prove it deal behind a (hopefully)revamped OL. You then have to take into account that the consensus is the QB class this year isn't much to get excited about. Then remember you have a whole new regime coming in with all the evaluating that needs to be done are they going to create another hole in the roster that needs to be filled really early in the process. So, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jones is still under center to start the 2022 season. Just my 2¢.
We are not getting someone to trade for Jones  
UberAlias : 1/24/2022 2:13 pm : link
This is likely going to be an evaluation year in many ways. Jones is likely to stay on as they look to transition to a new QB of the new group's preference. If they see something in him once they get their hands on him things could change, but more likely they sit tight and say we have many other things to build particularly the Oline, focus on them and use Jones as a bridge to the next guy.

Don't rule out their seeing the offense as the major issue and retain Graham for another year to evaluate either. The defense played hard for him even after we were out of playoff hunt and in many games they kept the opponent to a winable score. It's hard to play lights out for 60 minutes when getting absolutely zero on the other side of the ball and lacking elite pass rusher.

That doesn't mean commitment to either guy. It's just an acknowledgment that despite what people posting on BBs believe, it is very hard to evaluate an organization top to bottom from 50k foot view and the overhaul is going to take more than one year.
Wentz had a better year than Jones  
kdog77 : 1/24/2022 2:30 pm : link
not sure why any team would send Giants draft picks for a player that might be a vet minimum back-up in 2023.
Why would  
Photoguy : 1/24/2022 3:13 pm : link
we trade for an injured receiver? We have those already.
Let me get this right Jones sucks is horrible etc  
eli4life : 1/24/2022 3:34 pm : link
But here’s a list of teams we should trade him to. How does that work?
RE: Let me get this right Jones sucks is horrible etc  
joe48 : 1/24/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15572306 eli4life said:
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But here’s a list of teams we should trade him to. How does that work?

I laughed while reading these comments. The haters will be miserable if Jones is here next year.
Considering what they gave up for Wentz...  
BillKo : 1/24/2022 5:05 pm : link
....unless it's a clear cut upgrade (and DJ isn't that) they'll go again with Wentz in 2022.

It was his first year reunited with Reich, and it makes sense they'll be better together next year.

They certainly could be in the market for drafting a QB, though.
RE: RE: Let me get this right Jones sucks is horrible etc  
ajr2456 : 1/24/2022 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15572497 joe48 said:
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But here’s a list of teams we should trade him to. How does that work?


I laughed while reading these comments. The haters will be miserable if Jones is here next year.


You enjoy watching bad QB play?
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