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PFF mock draft has Giants selecting an Edge and IOL

shadow_spinner0 : 1/24/2022 12:07 pm
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5. NEW YORK GIANTS: EDGE KAYVON THIBODEAUX, OREGON
Thibodeaux coming off the board at No. 5 might feel like a “fall,” given that he was the consensus No. 1 overall pick just a few months ago. But after learning more about the class, it makes more sense that his range falls between Pick 1 and Pick 5.

He still could very well be the first player taken in the draft, but if he’s not, there’s no guarantee he’s the next name after that. His natural gifts as a pass-rusher make him a top-five lock, but I’ll give some hope to Giants fans because I do think it could play out like this, given the talent at the top of the class and the potential team needs in the top five.


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7. NEW YORK GIANTS (VIA CHI): IOL TYLER LINDERBAUM, IOWA
Yeah, yeah, I know. “You don’t take a center this high.”

However, I genuinely think this is where Linderbaum’s range begins, and I also think there’s a chance he could be the Giants' second selection. New general manager Joe Schoen comes over from Buffalo, where he served as assistant GM for five years. He was Brandon Beane’s right-hand man, and with 20 years of a scouting background, his voice was likely a very important one in the war room.

The Bills have honed in on the trenches in each of their last three drafts — all five of their first and second-round picks since 2019 were spent on either offensive line or defensive line.

Here, they went with a dynamic, high-ceiling pass protector at No. 5, and I bet Schoen is one of those GMs who simply says, “we’re going to draft great football players in the trenches.” Linderbaum is one of them.

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Take a look at the bills drafts recently  
jvm52106 : 1/24/2022 12:14 pm : link
They have grabbed OL a few times in RD 3, they drafted DL/DE in RD 1 a few times and in back to back years they grabbed RB's- Singletary and Moss.

I truly love how they have selected talent and hope Schoen brings the same work..

Look for a trade down from 5 or 7 in RD 1, we need multiple picks to fill the roster especially if we dump players to create cap space to bring in some individual talent.
Edge/OL. Perfect.  
BillT : 1/24/2022 12:15 pm : link
Which ones I don’t know. Maybe Karlaftis and Ekwonu. But that combination would do the most to meet our biggest needs as long as the value is there. Let’s hope it can work out that way.
RE: Take a look at the bills drafts recently  
mphbullet36 : 1/24/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15571835 jvm52106 said:
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They have grabbed OL a few times in RD 3, they drafted DL/DE in RD 1 a few times and in back to back years they grabbed RB's- Singletary and Moss.

I truly love how they have selected talent and hope Schoen brings the same work..

Look for a trade down from 5 or 7 in RD 1, we need multiple picks to fill the roster especially if we dump players to create cap space to bring in some individual talent.


yup and hopefully they build up our 2023 draft capital. Because it gives Schoen and his team a full year to scout for potentially our next QB. And you want to have the ammo to trade up to get them.
I'd wager $  
JonC : 1/24/2022 12:21 pm : link
we do not pick Linderbaum in the top 10.
RE: I'd wager $  
Bill in UT : 1/24/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15571850 JonC said:
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we do not pick Linderbaum in the top 10.


I'll trust the GM on Linderbaum vs other OL. I don't like Thibs, period.
Thibs and Cross LFG  
adamg : 1/24/2022 12:26 pm : link
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take the OT at 5 (preferrably cross)  
GiantsFan84 : 1/24/2022 12:30 pm : link
and trade down from 7
If Schoen doesn’t see a QB he likes in this draft  
BigBlue7 : 1/24/2022 12:31 pm : link
I would like to believe we trade down at least once to get some assets for next year
Wary of Thibs.  
MOOPS : 1/24/2022 12:34 pm : link
They really gotta get into this guy's head and see what he's about.
I'd take Cross at 5 in that scenario. Too high for Linderbaum at 7.
there are going to very good players in the middle of the first  
GiantsFan84 : 1/24/2022 12:34 pm : link
moving down from 7 would be ideal. i think the tackle class is going to thin out by pick 6. although if cross is somehow gone by 5, i'd look to trade out of both 5 and 7
I like going D with 5  
Snablats : 1/24/2022 12:40 pm : link
and then trade down with 7, but I suppose if the OL guys at the top grade out way ahead you can take the OL at 5. Still gotta trade down with one of these two picks

Thibs really has to check out - is he all in or not with football because he didnt play in 2020 and then coasted most of last season like Clowney did his final year. And then Clowney became more of a JAG than a force
Love the commentary. Thibodeaux was the consensus  
Jimmy Googs : 1/24/2022 12:41 pm : link
#1 overall pick.

Until of course we realized there were other good college players...
RE: Love the commentary. Thibodeaux was the consensus  
Snablats : 1/24/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15571900 Jimmy Googs said:
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#1 overall pick.

Until of course we realized there were other good college players...

No, it is because he coasted last season after not playing in 2020
Not sold on Thibs  
Rjanyg : 1/24/2022 12:52 pm : link
I think you guys need to watch Jermaine Johnson FSU video and then watch Thibs. Johnson plays very hard and is the same size.

I would trade back into round 1 to select Johnson if he is available in say the 24 - 32 range.

Go OL with pick 1A and LB with pick 1b.
RE: RE: Love the commentary. Thibodeaux was the consensus  
Jimmy Googs : 1/24/2022 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15571910 Snablats said:
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In comment 15571900 Jimmy Googs said:


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#1 overall pick.

Until of course we realized there were other good college players...


No, it is because he coasted last season after not playing in 2020


Only paraphrased from their remarks...
A trade down would be more likely to come from the 5 pick  
cosmicj : 1/24/2022 1:03 pm : link
So a team can jump ahead of Carolina to grab acQB.

If I were Schoen, I’d start talking enthusiastically about Pickett to reporters.
RE: A trade down would be more likely to come from the 5 pick  
Jimmy Googs : 1/24/2022 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15571945 cosmicj said:
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So a team can jump ahead of Carolina to grab acQB.

If I were Schoen, I’d start talking enthusiastically about Pickett to reporters.


What...and drive down Daniel Jones trade value??

:-)
Ok, he should trade Jones  
cosmicj : 1/24/2022 1:07 pm : link
And then be loose lipped about who their “target” is (Pickett). A side benefit is that it will drive parts of BBI into paroxysms.

You go, Joe!
I like Linderbaum  
Biteymax22 : 1/24/2022 1:13 pm : link
But not in every scheme. Knowing Schoen has been on record saying he wants players that play in any scheme, Linderbaum may not be a high target of his.
I really like Cross...  
Brown_Hornet : 1/24/2022 1:19 pm : link
...not sure how his overall talent compares to players at other positions but he is a helluva football player.
Linderbaum  
Sammo85 : 1/24/2022 1:20 pm : link
is more likely towards back end of Round 1.

If we want him, we could always trade down a bit or trade up from Round 2 slot.

We have a long way to go...  
Dnew15 : 1/24/2022 1:20 pm : link
til draft day...but...I like the idea of taking 2 of the 3 OT Cross/Neal/Ekwonu and fixing this damn thing once and for all.
RE: I like Linderbaum  
Sammo85 : 1/24/2022 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15571963 Biteymax22 said:
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But not in every scheme. Knowing Schoen has been on record saying he wants players that play in any scheme, Linderbaum may not be a high target of his.


He'd be really good in an offensive scheme that utilizes a lot of zone blocking for run game. Worry about his consistency in an offense that involves lot of pass protection. He might struggle facing speed rushers inside.
absolute must draft  
Dankbeerman : 1/24/2022 1:22 pm : link
a RT before any interior OL.
If Gettleman was still the GM  
beatrixkiddo : 1/24/2022 1:25 pm : link
This would be likely. No way does a 1st year new Generation GM take a center in the top 10. Pure stupidity.
RE: I'd wager $  
Ivan15 : 1/24/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15571850 JonC said:
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we do not pick Linderbaum in the top 10.


George Young wouldn’t pick him in the top 10.
Right positions, wrong players  
TroyArchersGhost : 1/24/2022 2:27 pm : link
Ekwonu and Karlaftis.
i think..  
nyfootballfan : 1/24/2022 2:46 pm : link
jints can trade back into mid round and still pick up good IOL or edge.
RE: RE: Love the commentary. Thibodeaux was the consensus  
Amtoft : 1/24/2022 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15571910 Snablats said:
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In comment 15571900 Jimmy Googs said:


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#1 overall pick.

Until of course we realized there were other good college players...


No, it is because he coasted last season after not playing in 2020


Actually he looked really good until he got hurt... wasn't the same after that.
It could fall this way.  
Giant John : 1/25/2022 3:29 am : link
I don’t see the Giants taking a qb in the first round.
I will keep saying this, but there  
BigBlueBuff : 1/25/2022 4:05 am : link
are scouts who compare Linderbaum's upside to Mike Webster. If Schoen agrees, he might very well take him at #7 because you just don't pass on a guy who you think might have a shot to become a Hall of Famer.

Of course, everyone is the "next" something until they aren't so while I like Linderbaum, I'm not sold on him with the seventh pick. However, I do like playing the Devil's Advocate.
I’d be happy with a combination of any of these guys  
Tuckrule : 1/25/2022 7:06 am : link
In no order

Karlaftis-very stout vs run array of pass rush moves
Cross-moves like a tight end can mirror any pass rusher in the world
Ekwonu- pro bowl guard potential
Thibs-highest upside edge in the class
Lloyd- can play edge on pass downs or ilb. Stud and insane block shedding skills. Great cover skills. Rated higher than Dean for me because he can mix it up with Olineman
Neal-possible RT more likely stud guard
Hamilton-freak do it all safety like derwin James
Stingley-if we get wink he needs cover corners and this guy is a stud
I'd feel better about drafting Linderbaum if we traded back some  
Ira : 1/25/2022 8:49 am : link
and picked up another day 2 pick. He's a little undersized, but could probably add some muscle. Although I don't think he was used that way, with his quickness he could learn to pull and help us with outside runs.
3 Defenders then address OL  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 1/25/2022 9:22 am : link
BPA could very well lead to something like Hamilton, Dean/Lloyd (after a trade down) and an edge like Johnson or Jackson in Rd 2. Plenty of very good OL should be available with the additional 2nd and in rounds 3 and 4. Take 3 or 4 OL and let them compete, gain experience and be ready for the new QB in 2023.

Our offense won’t be lighting the world on fire anytime soon so let’s at least get the D to near elite a soon as possible.

Here is my...  
bw in dc : 1/25/2022 11:48 am : link
basket of non-QBs who I think are most worthy of a high investment:

OLs: Cross, Neal

LB: Lloyd

Edge: Ebiketie, DJackson, Ojabo

Corners: McCreary and Gardner

I happen to like Linderbaum  
Matt M. : 1/25/2022 1:14 pm : link
but, I would prefer trading back and taking him later, while picking up another 2nd round pick. If he's not there when we pick later in the round, that would be fine.
RE: Here is my...  
Angel Eyes : 1/25/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15573853 bw in dc said:
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basket of non-QBs who I think are most worthy of a high investment:

OLs: Cross, Neal

LB: Lloyd

Edge: Ebiketie, DJackson, Ojabo

Corners: McCreary and Gardner

What do you think of San Diego State DE Cameron Thomas as a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Thomas is a big (6'5", 270 lbs) left end who is strong and powerful and has a good array of pass-rush moves. Seems to have a conditioning problem as he tends to tire near the end of games.
RE: I happen to like Linderbaum  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 1/25/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15574095 Matt M. said:
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but, I would prefer trading back and taking him later, while picking up another 2nd round pick. If he's not there when we pick later in the round, that would be fine.


Is there another center available in rounds 3-5 that could step in and start? Or will it be necessary to use a first rounder to get Linderbaum? And if so does position scarcity make it worth it?
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