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Still, the Giants have not yet complied with the Rooney Rule — which encourages the hiring of minority candidates — so they can’t make a hire. Before we explain how all that works, a quick recap ... By the end of Monday, the Giants will have done initial interviews with Daboll, Bills defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, Bengals defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo, and Cowboys defensive coordinator Dan Quinn (who is a finalist for the Broncos’ job). And Daboll will have gotten his second interview, too. Later this week, they’re expected to interview former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores and Patrick Graham, who is the Giants’ current defensive coordinator, according to NFL Network. Among those six coaches, the minority candidates are Frazier, Flores, and Graham. The Rooney Rule states a couple important, applicable things for the Giants’ search ... • Teams must interview at least two external minority candidates for head coaching jobs. • Teams must conduct at least one in-person interview with an external minority candidate. The Giants haven’t even complied with the first part yet, because Frazier is the only minority candidate they’ve interviewed — and they did the interview via video chat. (Daboll will be the first candidate, period, to interview in person for this job.) |
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Remember, Graham doesn’t count for either of these Rooney Rule points, because he’s an internal candidate. So once the Giants meet in person with Frazier or Flores, they’ll be able to make a hire — whether that hire winds up being Daboll or Quinn or a minority candidate. An initial, video-chat interview with Flores would not be enough for the Giants to comply with the Rooney Rule, because they’d still have to meet in person with an external minority candidate. Which could mean a second interview for Frazier — or Flores getting his first interview in person. Again, Graham is not a factor, because he’s not an external candidate. So even though it appears Daboll is the early favorite for the job, the Giants still have more work to do in this search. |
I meant for the first part over zoom
Not particularly. But it's been great for helping old white dudes pat themselves on the back.
I love how the best prereq for getting a media job is playing backup QB for the Giants apparently.
It's more complicated than that. It was clearly pretty effective early on and has since seemed to peak or fall off in effectiveness. Note with image below, Rooney rule effective in 2003
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-rooney-rule-isnt-working-anymore/ - ( New Window )
Actually, Jim Harbaugh and Jim Caldwell both have much better coaching records than any of the other candidates.
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The other day? Doesn’t that count?
I meant for the first part over zoom
Not recalling if they ever did. I think I read that they were going to meet during the GM search. Haven’t seen follow up..
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Don't rush to Daboll just because he's coming in hot right now. Talk to Flores. See what he's about. He's got the best track record of anybody out there.
Actually, Jim Harbaugh and Jim Caldwell both have much better coaching records than any of the other candidates.
I suppose you're right. Caldwell would be an interesting hire. Not interested in Harbaugh.
Mara is on the committee. I do believe the Giants HC will be merit based but I believe Mara is aware that his franchise is amongst the last of the older franchises to not have a minority HC.
Maybe the rule has had some impact. It's not really all that much of a nuisance. In this case, Daboll could be hired in all but name, and is rounding up his team as we speak. Every search includes a bunch of candidates unlikely to be hired, but who are interviewed for appearances. So what if a couple of those are forced to be of color? There's no limit to the number of interviews that are held, so it's not like some other candidate is left out because of quota. But, from my cheap seats, I don't think the Rooney Rule is all that necessary any more. It served its purpose of highlighting the need to consider minorities, and now it's just a box that needs to be checked, but isn't likely to change any results.
no because guys like michael silver keep crying about the hires and fires. until everyone hires a black coach and never fires them it will always be an issue.
black, white, whatever, these owners are a good old boys network and it extends into college alumnis.
best chances for these young coaches to get a shot is be really good at coaching and have some connections.
it's wrong that they seem to get a shorter leash than some white coaches.
Mara is on the committee. I do believe the Giants HC will be merit based but I believe Mara is aware that his franchise is amongst the last of the older franchises to not have a minority HC.
There's always a tension between wanting experienced people who can hit the ground running, and wanting to diversify your workforce. If you prioritize experience, you are always going to be following the hiring practices of 10, 15 or 20 years ago. You never get diversification that way. If you want more minority candidates, you have to be willing to hire some people who seem to be talented but are demonstrably less qualified, and then train them up. Knowing that some of them will fail.
Those failures aren't really that important. Experienced, qualified candidates fail just like inexperienced, underqualified candidates. So? You let them go and move on. Look at the Giants and the number of experienced, qualified coaches whose teams or units performed badly. We all know the names.
If you are trying to diversify your workforce, you have to take chances on people. Otherwise you are always going to be a prisoner of old practices.
I don't know these people, I am way, way on the outside, just reading the tea leaves. I think it's less a matter of racism ruling people out than nepotism and cronyism off the field ruling too many mediocrities in. There may not be any racist intent, but the effect can be largely the same.
Mara is on the committee. I do believe the Giants HC will be merit based but I believe Mara is aware that his franchise is amongst the last of the older franchises to not have a minority HC.
It needs to be looked at in its entirety. When the rule was put in place there were 2 minority head coaches. The number went to 3, then 5, then bounced between 6 and 7 for six years, then went to 8, back to 6 and 4, then climbed three out of five years to get back to 8 in 2017. Then five black head coaches were fired after 2018. And now there is just one after Flores was fired. So in the first nine years the rule was in place, the number of black head coaches quadrupled. But five were fired in one year, leaving the numbers right back where they started.
You have to remember two things: Coaches get hired to get fired, and the majority of coaches who get fired get fired after a couple of years. So over 15 years you had a plus 6 (there were actually more than 6 hired) in the number of minority coaches. Then you had five get fired in the same year.
To say the chances for blacks to be head coaches hasn't improved is wrong. Is it still equal? No. And it probably never will be because you are dealing with multi-millionaire and billionaire white guys doing the hiring.
Nothing is going to result in half of the NFL head coaching jobs going to minorities (heck, even adding a draft pick at the end of the first round probably wouldn't do it). But the rule has increased the profile, and experience, of minority candidates. When the rule went into effect you had very few black coordinators. Those numbers have risen greatly (can some of that be attributed to GMs getting to see them during interviews?). That creates a bigger pool of minority head coaching candidates with experience one step away from the top job.
they seem to have a soft spot for irish catholics.
Meantime, some 20% of coaches are black - or about the same ratio as the general population.
I conclude that the intent is no longer equal representation but unequal representation.
Meantime, the players are 85% black or 400 % the ratio of the general population. So maybe tdd this is where we should be looking to making things equal.
I'm not sure what they can do. You can't force teams to hire black coaches.
They could give an extra 1st round pick to every team with a black coach. The could have every team that fires a coach draw a card to determine the race of the next coach.
Lots of ideas - no bad ideas in brainstorming