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How would you see Daboll working with this offense?

shadow_spinner0 : 1/24/2022 4:55 pm
Lets just assume Daboll is hired as head coach of the Giants and will have a significant role with helping the offense. So if you studied him on the Bills, or even just watched a couple of their playoff games. How do you see his offense working with the Giants players? Lets assume Jones will be back, Barkley will be back, with Golladay, Toney, Rudolph, Slayton, Booker. If Daboll brings over the Bills offense, or he brings over an OC that runs a similar offense, how do you see that fit with the current Giants players? Would the staff have to tweak things or do the players fit that scheme better? Consider any potential FA and draft additions.
SB Gets Used  
Jimmycal : 1/24/2022 4:58 pm : link
much more heavily in the passing game.
poorly  
GiantsFan84 : 1/24/2022 5:09 pm : link
there simply aren't good players on the roster on offense
JS and BS sit down and determine who the best  
Joe in CT : 1/24/2022 5:11 pm : link
TE's who can be brought in to supplement the OFF (would love a Dawson Knox clone).
Slash and burn the roster and re-build it.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/24/2022 5:11 pm : link
As present the team is a Mish mash of ineffective pieces.
For starters  
eric2425ny : 1/24/2022 5:13 pm : link
they need 4 offensive lineman to line up to the right of Andrew Thomas. Then they need a Josh Allen clone and a true #1 receiver like Diggs. Golladay is basically Emmanuel Sanders and Toney would be an upgrade over Beasley in Buffalo (provided he stays healthy). Slayton is not as good as Gabriel Davis. And Dawson Knox’s emergence this year puts him above any TE the Giants have. I think our RB’s are better with a healthy Barkley of course.

In other words, they are multiple years away from Daboll’s Bills style offense yielding results in NY. The defense of our team is not that bad, but the offensive side is horrendous.
RE: poorly  
adamg : 1/24/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15572596 GiantsFan84 said:
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there simply aren't good players on the roster on offense


I disagree. I think our coaching masked some good pieces on offense.
I mean  
Amtoft : 1/24/2022 5:15 pm : link
who do we have... is Jones healthy. We draft Neal and another OL early to fix our line? Does Lemeaux come back healthy. Gates most like is out most of the year if not all. How healthy are our WRs... last year they were all hurt all year.
RE: RE: poorly  
adamg : 1/24/2022 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15572611 adamg said:
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In comment 15572596 GiantsFan84 said:


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there simply aren't good players on the roster on offense



I disagree. I think our coaching masked some good pieces on offense.


I should say. I think the line is a block hole minus AT. But the skill positions are decent imo.
The so called  
bw in dc : 1/24/2022 5:23 pm : link
is a bit a misnomer. The offense you watched was the Josh Allen offense. An offense that fits the skill set of Josh Allen and his constituent parts.

I would hope Daboll isn't stupid enough to think that offense fits with Jones. Thus, after he evaluates what he has, and what else he needs, he will tailor an offense accordingly.

RE: RE: RE: poorly  
GiantsFan84 : 1/24/2022 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15572625 adamg said:
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In comment 15572596 GiantsFan84 said:


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there simply aren't good players on the roster on offense



I disagree. I think our coaching masked some good pieces on offense.



I should say. I think the line is a block hole minus AT. But the skill positions are decent imo.


which players? toney played like 2 games. golladay is always hurt and was ineffective this year when healthy. barkley is a shell of his former self. slayton sucks ass. there are no tight ends on the roster except rudolph and he has a giant fork sticking out of his back and should be a cap casualty. shep should be cut and has neven been anything other than decent (when he's not always hurt) and thats through multiple systems

MAYBE barkley will be better with an offseason where he can train and not rehab. but i'm not holding out hope for that.
I hope he doesn't  
Bill in UT : 1/24/2022 5:26 pm : link
call many running plays for Jones
RE: For starters  
Bill in UT : 1/24/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15572608 eric2425ny said:
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Slayton is not as good as Gabriel Davis.


This one for the Understatement HOF
Having a real OL and a real OC  
Snablats : 1/24/2022 5:29 pm : link
will help a ton
RE: I hope he doesn't  
GiantsFan84 : 1/24/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15572644 Bill in UT said:
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call many running plays for Jones


it's literally the only thing jones does well, but it's a double edged sword since he appears to be injury prone. and you could see the injuries coming from when he first started as a rookie because he had no awareness on when or how to slide and just took huge hit after huge hit
RE: The so called  
Blue21 : 1/24/2022 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15572630 bw in dc said:
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is a bit a misnomer. The offense you watched was the Josh Allen offense. An offense that fits the skill set of Josh Allen and his constituent parts.

I would hope Daboll isn't stupid enough to think that offense fits with Jones. Thus, after he evaluates what he has, and what else he needs, he will tailor an offense accordingly.


Exactly. I read an article that someone posted on BBI that he tailored the offense to Allen thus the success. Though maybe there will be some similarities because Jones can run I suspect according to the article it won't look exactly the same. I've always thought too many teams try to force their QB into a certain offense that doesn't fit them. He'll need to tailor the offense to what Jones does best. Jones, like him or not, doesn't have Allen's arm or size.
It will depend ...  
Manny in CA : 1/24/2022 5:36 pm : link

On the personnel he will be able to gather - who is healthy, who can be drafted, who can they get via free agency and who will be shown the door.

My guess is that it will be more of a WCO style offense (with a lot of zone cut-back running game features), with the ultimate goal of slowly creating a full-blown play-action passing offense.

In that respect, I'm not sure Daboll is the right guy for the job. I think Brian Flores can put the pieces together, better.





Flores wouldn't have much to do with the offense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/24/2022 5:38 pm : link
Hes a defensive guy.
He will reshape it completely  
cosmicj : 1/24/2022 5:41 pm : link
The squad doesn’t do anything well as a staple and my guestimate is that 2 members of the offense will still be on the team as the 2023 regular season begins.
RE: How would you see Daboll working with this offense?  
David B. : 1/24/2022 5:43 pm : link
That would be great. Can you arrange that?
RE: RE: The so called  
bw in dc : 1/24/2022 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15572657 Blue21 said:
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In comment 15572630 bw in dc said:


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is a bit of a misnomer. The offense you watched was the Josh Allen offense. An offense that fits the skill set of Josh Allen and his constituent parts.

I would hope Daboll isn't stupid enough to think that offense fits with Jones. Thus, after he evaluates what he has, and what else he needs, he will tailor an offense accordingly.



Exactly. I read an article that someone posted on BBI that he tailored the offense to Allen thus the success. Though maybe there will be some similarities because Jones can run I suspect according to the article it won't look exactly the same. I've always thought too many teams try to force their QB into a certain offense that doesn't fit them. He'll need to tailor the offense to what Jones does best. Jones, like him or not, doesn't have Allen's arm or size.


I read the same article. It was a very good read.

Giants need to trade down with both picks  
kelly : 1/24/2022 5:49 pm : link
We have to restock the entire team. Before we worry about being good we need to get to average.

We have a ton of holes and no cap space. We need a lot of draft picks.
Not like the Bills  
JoeMorrison40 : 1/24/2022 6:06 pm : link
He and Joe will build with draft picks , frugal free agents and use a scheme that fits the players best skills. Short term, Saquan in space, not the flats. Engram as a WR, not a blocker.
Daboll likes 10 and 11 personnel  
Tuckrule : 1/24/2022 8:58 pm : link
So right away we need an actual tight end who can run routes (wydermyer) and also an offensive line. SB will be used heavy in the passing game on screens and probably running duo out of shotgun
RE: Not like the Bills  
Ira : 1/24/2022 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15572710 JoeMorrison40 said:
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He and Joe will build with draft picks , frugal free agents and use a scheme that fits the players best skills. Short term, Saquan in space, not the flats. Engram as a WR, not a blocker.


I don't think Engram will be back.
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