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Source: Giants requested an interview with Cowboys’ Joe Whitt Jr. for their defensive coordinator position. Whitt, 43, is Dallas’ defensive passing game coordinator/secondary coach. Worked under Dan Quinn in Atlanta (2020) & Dallas (2021). Quinn interviewed for NYG HC job today.
Whitt also worked with Giants DC Pat Graham (2018) — now a Giants head coaching candidate — and Giants LB Blake Martinez (2016-18) in Green Bay.
The Ravens and Seahawks already requested DC interviews with Whitt, as well.
Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
Sigh.
Giants did just interview Dan Quinn so maybe he suggested him idk
Why not DeMeco Ryans?
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
Ha ha, I don't think that is so. It is more likely Daboll is getting the job.
Why not DeMeco Ryans?
he's already a defensive coordinator so they can only request permission on him for a HC interview. his team is obviously still playing so it's possible they decide to do that once he's available.
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
No I would bet this is getting your place holder in... They have probably asked their potential HC about who they would want as a DC and Whitt has been in demand. Plus you have to get permission so I bet this is all it is. Depending who we hire we may not even interview him.
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
Ha ha, I don't think that is so. It is more likely Daboll is getting the job.
Didn’t realize this was for DC, duh.
But yea sounds like you’re right. Daboll seems to have HC locked up.
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
Or maybe Daboll has indicated interest? I am no Mara fan but the paranoia here has gotten insane.
Probably means Schoen is having a lot of say in this. A lot of BBI would prefer the HC to be the real CEO, and GM more like COO. This suggests that at least for now, Schoen is really in charge and the HC will be firmly under the GM.
I think it means Whitt was on Daboll's list, and possibly Quinn's list as well so they are reserving room on the dance card.
Yes without a doubt that could be the case. I don't think it's Mara though, it may be Quinn, Schoen or Daboll bringing up Whitt's name as a potential DC.
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
What prompts you to say that?
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
So there is connections to Whitt from the coaches that have been interviewed and your take is Mara is picking coaches again. Last week they were requesting head coaching interviews before they announced the general manager. Maybe, maybe and I know this might be hard to imagine, but one of the coaches they interviewed or maybe more than one suggested Whitt as a guy they would want as defensive coordinator.
If John Mara was picking coaches again, don't you think he would have requested the interview before he talked to other head coaching candidates. Dallas was eliminated from the playoffs last week
Yes without a doubt that could be the case. I don't think it's Mara though, it may be Quinn, Schoen or Daboll bringing up Whitt's name as a potential DC.
Very possible. I just find it curious given that neither Schoen or Daboll have any ties with Whitt to suggest they've crossed paths.
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Yes without a doubt that could be the case. I don't think it's Mara though, it may be Quinn, Schoen or Daboll bringing up Whitt's name as a potential DC.
Very possible. I just find it curious given that neither Schoen or Daboll have any ties with Whitt to suggest they've crossed paths.
Yes, my thinking was maybe Whitt is known in the NFL as an upcoming potential DC and they wanted to get ahead of other teams or at least be given a chance. Just a guess.
It sure didn't take long for him to become the Mara's patsy...
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Exactly. If they don't put in the request, there can't be any contact. It's pretty simple.
And it's not a stretch to think Daboll might like Whitt as someone to interview as DC, too.
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
Why not DeMeco Ryans?
Because he's already a DC?
The other half looks like they’re in no rush because they’ve yet to satisfy the Rooney Rule which is literally the only thing stopping them from hiring a head coach.
I’m wondering if Mara is high on Quinn and Schoen is purposely holding off bringing in someone that satisfies the Rooney Rule until after Mara cools off on Quinn a little bit…
Eric, weren’t you saying all year that Abrams would likely be promoted regardless of what happened?
This all might not work still, but given what a lot assumed, I think that is important context to add. Abrams is being pushed out it appears.
The other half looks like they’re in no rush because they’ve yet to satisfy the Rooney Rule which is literally the only thing stopping them from hiring a head coach.
I’m wondering if Mara is high on Quinn and Schoen is purposely holding off bringing in someone that satisfies the Rooney Rule until after Mara cools off on Quinn a little bit…
As implied in the other thread...sounds like Mara doesn't even care about complying with the Rooney Rule. Daboll is just going to get the job.
The Mara's are really something...
We don't even know if Abrams is out of the picture yet.
It also seems like Mara was looking for any excuse to keep Judge despite the fact he was melting down by season's end.
My point? The Maras are perfectly capable of screwing this up.
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They’re rushing the process because John Mara really wants Dan Quinn.
The other half looks like they’re in no rush because they’ve yet to satisfy the Rooney Rule which is literally the only thing stopping them from hiring a head coach.
I’m wondering if Mara is high on Quinn and Schoen is purposely holding off bringing in someone that satisfies the Rooney Rule until after Mara cools off on Quinn a little bit…
As implied in the other thread...sounds like Mara doesn't even care about complying with the Rooney Rule. Daboll is just going to get the job.
The Mara's are really something...
John is very tight with the competition committee and the Mara family is intermingled with the Rooney family who wrote the rule, they’re not hiring someone “officially” without satisfying this rule, which is why its odd that you haven’t seen them schedule and official interview with someone that satisfies it.
All we have so far is “Flores will interview sometime this week” which we can assume won’t be tomorrow because Daboll in and they also will give Graham a courtesy interview.
That said, I'm resigned to the fact he's the owner. All I can do is hope & pray that he's letting Schoen run the show. & I don't think Schoen leaves Buffalo without some 100% assurances that's the case.
We don't even know if Abrams is out of the picture yet.
It also seems like Mara was looking for any excuse to keep Judge despite the fact he was melting down by season's end.
My point? The Maras are perfectly capable of screwing this up.
I don’t disagree, but fortunately Mara/Tisch DID decide to wipe the slate clean. We’ll see.
We don't even know if Abrams is out of the picture yet.
It also seems like Mara was looking for any excuse to keep Judge despite the fact he was melting down by season's end.
My point? The Maras are perfectly capable of screwing this up.
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They’re rushing the process because John Mara really wants Dan Quinn.
The other half looks like they’re in no rush because they’ve yet to satisfy the Rooney Rule which is literally the only thing stopping them from hiring a head coach.
I’m wondering if Mara is high on Quinn and Schoen is purposely holding off bringing in someone that satisfies the Rooney Rule until after Mara cools off on Quinn a little bit…
As implied in the other thread...sounds like Mara doesn't even care about complying with the Rooney Rule. Daboll is just going to get the job.
The Mara's are really something...
John is very tight with the competition committee and the Mara family is intermingled with the Rooney family who wrote the rule, they’re not hiring someone “officially” without satisfying this rule, which is why its odd that you haven’t seen them schedule and official interview with someone that satisfies it.
All we have so far is “Flores will interview sometime this week” which we can assume won’t be tomorrow because Daboll in and they also will give Graham a courtesy interview.
Chris Mara is probably behind this whole thing...
'I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the coaching acumen on Joe Whitt Jr.'
How about William Santiago?
We don't even know if Abrams is out of the picture yet.
It also seems like Mara was looking for any excuse to keep Judge despite the fact he was melting down by season's end.
My point? The Maras are perfectly capable of screwing this up.
What from those tweets makes you assume it was Mara?
I think you should take the advice. It was a silly comment that will churn the knuckleheads into a frenzy. Beyond silly. Give us 1, just 1 reason that leads you to think Mara would be picking some guy named Whitt from Dallas to interview for DC on his own out of the clear blue sky?
After interviewing GM candidates last week, the Giants started requesting permission to interview HC candidates. Just like last week, it means a couple candidates named some people they'd like to talk to for the DC position. Don't be surprised when OC requests go out.
'I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the coaching acumen on Joe Whitt Jr.'
Mara definitely knows Whitt.
Don't ask me why though, as I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of football knowledge that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I don't trust the Maras. They aren't good at this. They literally have made the wrong decision every time there has been an important decision to make. So the more they get involved, the more I get nervous.
There is a group of people here who think Mara has changed based on a few lines in a press release issued by Pat Hanlon.
I don't trust anything right now.
Anybody know, btw, how long Schoen's contract is?
I don't trust the Maras. They aren't good at this. They literally have made the wrong decision every time there has been an important decision to make. So the more they get involved, the more I get nervous.
There is a group of people here who think Mara has changed based on a few lines in a press release issued by Pat Hanlon.
I completely agree. Ian OConnor has pretty much confirmed this. Schoen was the choice since November. They just went out of the immediate family.
I don't trust anything right now.
I don't trust the Maras. They aren't good at this. They literally have made the wrong decision every time there has been an important decision to make. So the more they get involved, the more I get nervous.
There is a group of people here who think Mara has changed based on a few lines in a press release issued by Pat Hanlon.
I don't trust anything right now.
No need for the hard ass talk. They shouldn’t be trusted. However, I feel like Schoen should be given a clean slate.
‘I hope Mara isn’t pulling the same shit’ is much different than guessing he is. Your words have weight on the board, for some.
I also don't think a simple interview request makes us "screwed as fans".
Giants fans in general tend to be negative even in the best of times, but after the last several years they are bordering on insufferable.
I also don't think a simple interview request makes us "screwed as fans".
Giants fans in general tend to be negative even in the best of times, but after the last several years they are bordering on insufferable.
Evidence? Ownership forced Garrett on Judge. That just happened. Does that mean they are still doing it? Of course not, but does a zebra change his stripes? We shall see.
Why do you think Giants fans have become really negative? Jesus.
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Sounds like Mara is picking coaches again.
Sigh.
Don’t believe it
'I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the coaching acumen on Joe Whitt Jr.'
Makes no sense. One minute the Mara's are the dumbest people on the planet, the next they know the coordinators of every team and are savvy enough to pluck away an up and coming coordinator before everyone else can.
Which is it because it can't be both.
While the good teams are trying to close the gap between themselves and teams like the Chiefs and Bills, the Giants can't even close the gap between themselves and the Eagles and WFT.
We are so far from being a serious playoff contender, it isn't funny. Ownership ran this team into the ground. I honestly think by year end, this team could not beat anyone, including Jacksonville.
'I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the coaching acumen on Joe Whitt Jr.'
Of course not.
Circling back on this since some of you asked on it + I gave some thoughts on the idea before confirming.
Now I'm told the Giants have not requested permission to interview Cowboys defensive assistant Joe Whitt for the defensive coordinator's job. So that's where that stands.
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He probably learned of him for the first time during these HC interviews so I can't imagine Mara has been scheming for awhile to get Whitt here.
'I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the coaching acumen on Joe Whitt Jr.'
Makes no sense. One minute the Mara's are the dumbest people on the planet, the next they know the coordinators of every team and are savvy enough to pluck away an up and coming coordinator before everyone else can.
Which is it because it can't be both.
Pay no attention. It’s bullshit
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Circling back on this since some of you asked on it + I gave some thoughts on the idea before confirming.
Now I'm told the Giants have not requested permission to interview Cowboys defensive assistant Joe Whitt for the defensive coordinator's job. So that's where that stands.
😂😂
I wouldn't be shocked?
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and immediately rescinded to save face. Smart PR right there.
I wouldn't be shocked?
Its something a smart man would do, or not?
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and immediately rescinded to save face. Smart PR right there.
I wouldn't be shocked?
More likely is that Pat Leonard thought to himself: "how can I get as many Giant fans as possible to freak out" then tweeted that out
Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Yeah, I need the vacation.
10 years of you guys crying like bitches on game threads, wanting to have everyone fired and everyone cut, but when it comes to fixing the real problem, you don't want to address it.
Look at BB'56. Every year he skedaddles when the Giants are 1-6. Comes back at the end of the season to tell us it isn't that bad. Rinse. Repeat.
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Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Yeah, I need the vacation.
10 years of you guys crying like bitches on game threads, wanting to have everyone fired and everyone cut, but when it comes to fixing the real problem, you don't want to address it.
Look at BB'56. Every year he skedaddles when the Giants are 1-6. Comes back at the end of the season to tell us it isn't that bad. Rinse. Repeat.
Crying like bitches? Are you not one of the folks bitching about a hypothetical interview, which in no way can you prove is led by Mara?
They’ve been off schedule between GM/HC for a decade, which has led to an over influence of Mara, yes. But now that they’ve fired both and are in the process of hiring a new pair, shouldn’t we see how it all unfolds before jumping to conclusions? Only thing they can do, for you to back off your stance, is sell the team, which isn’t happening.
Also, it’s funny you talk about everyone bitching, yet, you’re complaining and bitching to us like we make the fucking decisions lol
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Eric causes a feeding frenzy and then, poof. It is gone.
Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Yeah, I need the vacation.
10 years of you guys crying like bitches on game threads, wanting to have everyone fired and everyone cut, but when it comes to fixing the real problem, you don't want to address it.
Look at BB'56. Every year he skedaddles when the Giants are 1-6. Comes back at the end of the season to tell us it isn't that bad. Rinse. Repeat.
I would tell you what I think of you, but I really don’t want to be banned
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Eric causes a feeding frenzy and then, poof. It is gone.
Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Yeah, I need the vacation.
10 years of you guys crying like bitches on game threads, wanting to have everyone fired and everyone cut, but when it comes to fixing the real problem, you don't want to address it.
Look at BB'56. Every year he skedaddles when the Giants are 1-6. Comes back at the end of the season to tell us it isn't that bad. Rinse. Repeat.
I would tell you what I think of you, but I really don’t want to be banned
Exactly. He’ll look at his donation tracking sheet and make a sweeping cut down to 53
The Giants are starting over with a new young GM who then just hired to re-do everything. You seem to really hate the Maras. They aren’t going to sell the team so I’m not sure what else you want from them.
The Giants are starting over with a new young GM who then just hired to re-do everything. You seem to really hate the Maras. They aren’t going to sell the team so I’m not sure what else you want from them.
100%. Well said. It’s obvious the losing and the fact that the end of the situation isn’t in sight, is getting to him, along with many of us
The Giants are starting over with a new young GM who then just hired to re-do everything. You seem to really hate the Maras. They aren’t going to sell the team so I’m not sure what else you want from them.
Start winning. It’s that simple.
I don't trust the Maras. They aren't good at this. They literally have made the wrong decision every time there has been an important decision to make. So the more they get involved, the more I get nervous.
There is a group of people here who think Mara has changed based on a few lines in a press release issued by Pat Hanlon.
I don't trust anything right now.
Eric, sadly, you are 100 pct correct. It would be encouraging to see actions speak louder than press releases during this coaching search. No coach is a perfect candidate, especially with this team, so we have can only hope that a new thought process is allowed to evolve.
Well now you’re the one that sounds like a jaded ex. So when will you actual trust things again? If Schoen wins a super bowl?
I don’t get it really. I mean we all want the Giants to win. Are you saying you’re not going to “trust Mara” until they start winning? What if Schoen picks the wrong players? Is that his fault? Or is that Mara’s fault?
Because Mara just hired the guy that basically everyone involved in football says was a great hire.
The Giants are starting over with a new young GM who then just hired to re-do everything. You seem to really hate the Maras. They aren’t going to sell the team so I’m not sure what else you want from them.
I have some small reservations about going Schoen (really wanted Peters), but I'm ready to see how things play out to demonstrate that Mara has indeed turned over this new lead.
But I completely understand why Eric finds ownership untrustworthy and isn't ready to give them the benefit of the doubt yet. And there are certainly plenty of reasons why that makes sense, even despite the declaration that the GM is now really in charge of all things football.
So - all I’m saying is - if he ends up missing on the first round this year - that is not John Mara’s fault.
If we hire Daboll and he flops, that is Schoen’s fault.
So - all I’m saying is - if he ends up missing on the first round this year - that is not John Mara’s fault.
Do you know if Schoen has had any link to Fangio? Or does Daboll? I can live with Graham as DC but would love Fangio
This gives them some connectivity with these candidates. Mara will have to stop himself from screwing things up, but ultimately he writes the checks and he is entitled to form an opinion regardless of how much we loathe thinking about it,
What’s the connection there? He was with the Ravens?
So - all I’m saying is - if he ends up missing on the first round this year - that is not John Mara’s fault.
I think Wednesday's press conference will be an early tell into the Schoen Era. I'm looking forward to his presentation and - hopefully - good, probing questions from the press.
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not sure on Fangio. I’m sure he would be great but I don’t know of any link he has to Daboll. Everyone seems to think Martindale would be one of Daboll’s preferred choices.
What’s the connection there? He was with the Ravens?
There doesn’t appear to be any link with Martindale and Daboll.
And even if they ask it, I don’t think Schoen would answer that question in a clear cut way. He would say something like “I was hired to turn this thing around and bring in the best possible players we can” or something to that effect. He’s a professional, not an idiot.
And even if they ask it, I don’t think Schoen would answer that question in a clear cut way. He would say something like “I was hired to turn this thing around and bring in the best possible players we can” or something to that effect. He’s a professional, not an idiot.
I hope some form of that question is asked because the announcement from the Giants - when the search started - was to find a GM to take over and be accountable for the entire football operation. And have hiring power over the coaching staff.
Personally, I think it's very important that he has a good start to instill confidence in the base. Those would be good optics after the Gettleman disaster.
Now now UConn. No need to poopoo on the great revolution that bbi is responsible for. They will be talking about “The PETITION “ for years. Greatest story ever told.
Who gives a fuck who Mara likes. His card should have been revoked for having an opinion on football matters, especially the second Schoen was inked and they gave us lip service that Schoen has cart blanche. The fact we are hearing speculation of Mara’s preferences and potential interview requests for coaches his family probably likes seems already a problem. Incredibly disheartening if they are still meddling. I guess we’ll see, but the Mara’s have conditioned us to be paranoid with how incompetent and selfish they have been the last decade plus…
What Mara should do is simply help collect info and resources to aid whatever Schoen needs and otherwise STFU.
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Eric causes a feeding frenzy and then, poof. It is gone.
Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Yeah, I need the vacation.
10 years of you guys crying like bitches on game threads, wanting to have everyone fired and everyone cut, but when it comes to fixing the real problem, you don't want to address it.
Look at BB'56. Every year he skedaddles when the Giants are 1-6. Comes back at the end of the season to tell us it isn't that bad. Rinse. Repeat.
Eric is right. If the Giants did request permission, I think it's a case of them trying to get in interview requests with the preferred OCs and DCs of their head coaching candidates because they don't want to lose out like in the last to searches. But the past 10 years have done nothing to give John Mara the benefit of the doubt on that and until things prove different it's perfectly reasonable to think that it's more of the same with Mara.
I agree
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Eric causes a feeding frenzy and then, poof. It is gone.
Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Yeah, I need the vacation.
10 years of you guys crying like bitches on game threads, wanting to have everyone fired and everyone cut, but when it comes to fixing the real problem, you don't want to address it.
Look at BB'56. Every year he skedaddles when the Giants are 1-6. Comes back at the end of the season to tell us it isn't that bad. Rinse. Repeat.
Eric is right. The Maras are the ones we need to put the blame on. They're weasels who don't want to accept responsibility for their actions and hide behind others and claim they're innocent. Spineless stuff.
Sadly, I agree with this assessment. I don't think they can help themselves.
Here's the thing with Giant ownership for me. I don't care what they say. I only care what they do.
IMO if Joe Schoen was choosing the next coach he'd be interviewing them 1 on 1 and then narrowing down his list to 2 or 3 and then having them meet the owners.
For any of you that have worked as senior people in medium to large sized companies just under the CEO level did you ever have the owners sit in on first interviews? Have you ever heard of a company doing that?
I don't trust the Maras. They aren't good at this. They literally have made the wrong decision every time there has been an important decision to make. So the more they get involved, the more I get nervous.
There is a group of people here who think Mara has changed based on a few lines in a press release issued by Pat Hanlon.
I don't trust anything right now.
Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Lets over react to every bullshit report that comes out.
Eric, could you organize the busses?
Eric, could you organize the busses?
Good luck with that. You wouldn't fill a Volkswagen Beetle is my guess...
Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Interesting. What are your insights/connections based on?
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Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Interesting. What are your insights/connections based on?
Paranoia?
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I'm going to make this clear once and for all:
I don't trust the Maras. They aren't good at this. They literally have made the wrong decision every time there has been an important decision to make. So the more they get involved, the more I get nervous.
There is a group of people here who think Mara has changed based on a few lines in a press release issued by Pat Hanlon.
I don't trust anything right now.
Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Ugh, thanks Peppers.
There is nothing anywhere that would cause anyone to think he is a yes man. This guy was widely accepted as a great choice by everyone around the league and almost everyone here. And now he is a yes man who will fail. You people are losing your minds.
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if this is just a yes man deal -- we are so screwed as fans
There is nothing anywhere that would cause anyone to think he is a yes man. This guy was widely accepted as a great choice by everyone around the league and almost everyone here. And now he is a yes man who will fail. You people are losing your minds.
Again, Schoen will make the final decision. Mara put himself out there publicly and said so..
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Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Interesting. What are your insights/connections based on?
Based upon his track record here in the past, Peppers obviously has connections inside the building, but does that extend to connections in other buildings to be able to definitively say that Poles, Peters and Schoen, all from different organizations, are all "yes men?"
This to me sounds more like the typical grumblings you hear within any business when there is a leadership change at the top. You have some within the building that are excited by the change, you have those that are indifferent to it, and you have those that feel like they were screwed over and more deserving of the promotion. To them the new leadership only got the job because they were a kiss ass or a "yes man."
Obviously don't know if this is the case, but easy to see why some of the incumbent employees, and potentially sources, could fall into the "he's just a yes man" camp.
I think we should know a lot if Flores ends up being the HC.
Schoen seems like a foundation builder...I wouldn't just say he was a "yes" man. He collaborates but I don't think he would have gotten the GM & SVP role and chose the giants if he felt he would get overruled by Mara. But we shall see.
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if this is just a yes man deal -- we are so screwed as fans
There is nothing anywhere that would cause anyone to think he is a yes man. This guy was widely accepted as a great choice by everyone around the league and almost everyone here. And now he is a yes man who will fail. You people are losing your minds.
I didn't say anything about failing and I'm telling you what those around the league are really saying.. Take a breath and reread what I shared.
To clarify so there isn't an overreaction, "yes man" meaning helping build the team through the eyes of ownership.. As I said, Joe is a good information gatherer. He's a no-ego kind of guy who ownership knows they can influence with little resistance. It's no secret the Giant's ownership, namely, the Mara's have a stranglehold on the personnel department. This is one reason why you didn't see a more headstrong or accomplished GM interviewed. I also shared here about a month ago that Dodds declined NYGs request to interview because of the organizational structure.
Schoen's only other interview was with Chicago, which hired Poles. Now Poles is taking a job where they've already begun head coaching interviews, and have made it known the GM will only have a say once they have the group of finalists. Peters didn't have any other interviews that I'm aware of.