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Source: Giants requested an interview with Cowboys’ Joe Whitt Jr. for their defensive coordinator position. Whitt, 43, is Dallas’ defensive passing game coordinator/secondary coach. Worked under Dan Quinn in Atlanta (2020) & Dallas (2021). Quinn interviewed for NYG HC job today.
Whitt also worked with Giants DC Pat Graham (2018) — now a Giants head coaching candidate — and Giants LB Blake Martinez (2016-18) in Green Bay.
The Ravens and Seahawks already requested DC interviews with Whitt, as well.
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not sure on Fangio. I’m sure he would be great but I don’t know of any link he has to Daboll. Everyone seems to think Martindale would be one of Daboll’s preferred choices.
What’s the connection there? He was with the Ravens?
There doesn’t appear to be any link with Martindale and Daboll.
And even if they ask it, I don’t think Schoen would answer that question in a clear cut way. He would say something like “I was hired to turn this thing around and bring in the best possible players we can” or something to that effect. He’s a professional, not an idiot.
And even if they ask it, I don’t think Schoen would answer that question in a clear cut way. He would say something like “I was hired to turn this thing around and bring in the best possible players we can” or something to that effect. He’s a professional, not an idiot.
I hope some form of that question is asked because the announcement from the Giants - when the search started - was to find a GM to take over and be accountable for the entire football operation. And have hiring power over the coaching staff.
Personally, I think it's very important that he has a good start to instill confidence in the base. Those would be good optics after the Gettleman disaster.
Now now UConn. No need to poopoo on the great revolution that bbi is responsible for. They will be talking about “The PETITION “ for years. Greatest story ever told.
Who gives a fuck who Mara likes. His card should have been revoked for having an opinion on football matters, especially the second Schoen was inked and they gave us lip service that Schoen has cart blanche. The fact we are hearing speculation of Mara’s preferences and potential interview requests for coaches his family probably likes seems already a problem. Incredibly disheartening if they are still meddling. I guess we’ll see, but the Mara’s have conditioned us to be paranoid with how incompetent and selfish they have been the last decade plus…
What Mara should do is simply help collect info and resources to aid whatever Schoen needs and otherwise STFU.
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Eric causes a feeding frenzy and then, poof. It is gone.
Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Yeah, I need the vacation.
10 years of you guys crying like bitches on game threads, wanting to have everyone fired and everyone cut, but when it comes to fixing the real problem, you don't want to address it.
Look at BB'56. Every year he skedaddles when the Giants are 1-6. Comes back at the end of the season to tell us it isn't that bad. Rinse. Repeat.
Eric is right. If the Giants did request permission, I think it's a case of them trying to get in interview requests with the preferred OCs and DCs of their head coaching candidates because they don't want to lose out like in the last to searches. But the past 10 years have done nothing to give John Mara the benefit of the doubt on that and until things prove different it's perfectly reasonable to think that it's more of the same with Mara.
I agree
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Eric causes a feeding frenzy and then, poof. It is gone.
Maybe like Mara, someone may need a vacay.
Not to dismiss all the eff ups JM has had in the past six years, but it was pointed out Schoen was given free reign to sort this out. Let Schoen do his thing. I am not a fan of Daboll, but there isn't much out there that hasn't been recycled having failed before. If Daboll really did have a hand in getting Josh Allen to become what he has, he should not be dismissed out of hand.
Yeah, I need the vacation.
10 years of you guys crying like bitches on game threads, wanting to have everyone fired and everyone cut, but when it comes to fixing the real problem, you don't want to address it.
Look at BB'56. Every year he skedaddles when the Giants are 1-6. Comes back at the end of the season to tell us it isn't that bad. Rinse. Repeat.
Eric is right. The Maras are the ones we need to put the blame on. They're weasels who don't want to accept responsibility for their actions and hide behind others and claim they're innocent. Spineless stuff.
Sadly, I agree with this assessment. I don't think they can help themselves.
Here's the thing with Giant ownership for me. I don't care what they say. I only care what they do.
IMO if Joe Schoen was choosing the next coach he'd be interviewing them 1 on 1 and then narrowing down his list to 2 or 3 and then having them meet the owners.
For any of you that have worked as senior people in medium to large sized companies just under the CEO level did you ever have the owners sit in on first interviews? Have you ever heard of a company doing that?
I don't trust the Maras. They aren't good at this. They literally have made the wrong decision every time there has been an important decision to make. So the more they get involved, the more I get nervous.
There is a group of people here who think Mara has changed based on a few lines in a press release issued by Pat Hanlon.
I don't trust anything right now.
Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Lets over react to every bullshit report that comes out.
Eric, could you organize the busses?
Eric, could you organize the busses?
Good luck with that. You wouldn't fill a Volkswagen Beetle is my guess...
Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Interesting. What are your insights/connections based on?
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Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Interesting. What are your insights/connections based on?
Paranoia?
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I'm going to make this clear once and for all:
I don't trust the Maras. They aren't good at this. They literally have made the wrong decision every time there has been an important decision to make. So the more they get involved, the more I get nervous.
There is a group of people here who think Mara has changed based on a few lines in a press release issued by Pat Hanlon.
I don't trust anything right now.
Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Ugh, thanks Peppers.
There is nothing anywhere that would cause anyone to think he is a yes man. This guy was widely accepted as a great choice by everyone around the league and almost everyone here. And now he is a yes man who will fail. You people are losing your minds.
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if this is just a yes man deal -- we are so screwed as fans
There is nothing anywhere that would cause anyone to think he is a yes man. This guy was widely accepted as a great choice by everyone around the league and almost everyone here. And now he is a yes man who will fail. You people are losing your minds.
Again, Schoen will make the final decision. Mara put himself out there publicly and said so..
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Your intuition isn't far off..
There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
And that's not to speak badly of Joe or any of the other candidates because a few of the guys I know personally and are good people..
Interesting. What are your insights/connections based on?
Based upon his track record here in the past, Peppers obviously has connections inside the building, but does that extend to connections in other buildings to be able to definitively say that Poles, Peters and Schoen, all from different organizations, are all "yes men?"
This to me sounds more like the typical grumblings you hear within any business when there is a leadership change at the top. You have some within the building that are excited by the change, you have those that are indifferent to it, and you have those that feel like they were screwed over and more deserving of the promotion. To them the new leadership only got the job because they were a kiss ass or a "yes man."
Obviously don't know if this is the case, but easy to see why some of the incumbent employees, and potentially sources, could fall into the "he's just a yes man" camp.
I think we should know a lot if Flores ends up being the HC.
Schoen seems like a foundation builder...I wouldn't just say he was a "yes" man. He collaborates but I don't think he would have gotten the GM & SVP role and chose the giants if he felt he would get overruled by Mara. But we shall see.
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if this is just a yes man deal -- we are so screwed as fans
There is nothing anywhere that would cause anyone to think he is a yes man. This guy was widely accepted as a great choice by everyone around the league and almost everyone here. And now he is a yes man who will fail. You people are losing your minds.
I didn't say anything about failing and I'm telling you what those around the league are really saying.. Take a breath and reread what I shared.
To clarify so there isn't an overreaction, "yes man" meaning helping build the team through the eyes of ownership.. As I said, Joe is a good information gatherer. He's a no-ego kind of guy who ownership knows they can influence with little resistance. It's no secret the Giant's ownership, namely, the Mara's have a stranglehold on the personnel department. This is one reason why you didn't see a more headstrong or accomplished GM interviewed. I also shared here about a month ago that Dodds declined NYGs request to interview because of the organizational structure.
Schoen's only other interview was with Chicago, which hired Poles. Now Poles is taking a job where they've already begun head coaching interviews, and have made it known the GM will only have a say once they have the group of finalists. Peters didn't have any other interviews that I'm aware of.