What's the Daboll Offense, apart from His QB?

Why do you think that? Couldn't I just as easily say Bienemy is running Andy Reid's offense? Reid's been doing it for 20 years and it's never mattered who his OC is.

Daboll does.

with some air raid mixed in.

Try goggling things about Daboll’s offense and the concepts.

Buffalo Bills

Play Caller/Tenure: Brian Daboll (Offensive Coordinator) - 3yrs w BUF; 7yrs as an OC.

Personnel Preferences: BUF used 10 personnel 15% (2nd highest rate) vs NFL Avg of 2%. BUF also ran 11 personnel at a higher rate than league average (71% vs 60% league-wide). [Personnel data comes from Sharp Football Stats]

Scheme: Daboll is influenced by Josh McDaniels’ Erhardt-Perkins style offense which he's modified to be multiple (borrows plays from several other concepts) and opponent specific. It's a spread offense with lots of different formations, pre-snap motion, and Play Action (abbreviated as PA as we continue). Run blocking utilizes multiple schemes (Zone, Gap, Duo).

Additional Notes: BUF was the 11th most pass-heavy team and finished 3rd in Passing Yards and Passing TDs. RB split may favor more Moss on the ground and Singletary as a pass-catching back and pass blocker. Moss can also contribute in the passing game but both will be affected by Josh Allen’s rushing in near the goal line as he’ll snipe some rushing TDs. TEs only got an 11.8% Target Share total. The OL returns all 5 starters and ranked 5th-best in Football Outsiders Adjusted Sack Rate last year. Daboll's offense ranked #2 in total yards and offensive points scored in 2020, the first such top 20 finish in yards, 2nd top 20 finish in points.
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With complimentary routes designed to make defender commit to coverages and then exploits them
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In comment 15572841 BigBlue7 said:

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Yeah, the video in this thread is awesome. I love that play that has both play-action and a receiver acting like he's going to catch a screen.

then you're not running a new cutting edge defense.

Andy Reid runs a west coast offense.

Shanahan runs the Shanahan offense/zone running scheme

these have been around most of our lives.

most of the league runs the same stuff, its more so play design thats different and even then, unless you have the talent to execute, it doesn't matter how cute you get with formations.

Erhardt-Perkins style offense which he's modified to be multiple (borrows plays from several other concepts) and opponent specific. It's a spread offense with lots of different formations, pre-snap motion, and Play Action (abbreviated as PA as we continue). Run blocking utilizes multiple schemes (Zone, Gap, Duo).

A game played by 5 and 6 year olds.

Making what you wish, but it's still a pure, plain and simple sport. Has Roger Goodell complicated it by idiotic rule changes and concepts while laughing all the way to the mother fucking bank? Yup.

But, still, it's JUST football.

In comment 15572799 Jay on the Island said:

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Daboll does.

It shows. Bills' offense is all about Josh Allen scrambling around and making plays. If they had Danny Jones at QB, they would suck on offense imo.

Color me unimpressed with Daboll and with Schoen if his first move is to hire his buddy.

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In comment 15572817 Platos said:

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Buffalo Bills Play Caller/Tenure: Brian Daboll (Offensive Coordinator) - 3yrs w BUF; 7yrs as an OC. Personnel Preferences: BUF used 10 personnel 15% (2nd highest rate) vs NFL Avg of 2%. BUF also ran 11 personnel at a higher rate than league average (71% vs 60% league-wide). [Personnel data comes from Sharp Football Stats] Scheme: Daboll is influenced by Josh McDaniels’ Erhardt-Perkins style offense which he's modified to be multiple (borrows plays from several other concepts) and opponent specific. It's a spread offense with lots of different formations, pre-snap motion, and Play Action (abbreviated as PA as we continue). Run blocking utilizes multiple schemes (Zone, Gap, Duo). Additional Notes: BUF was the 11th most pass-heavy team and finished 3rd in Passing Yards and Passing TDs. RB split may favor more Moss on the ground and Singletary as a pass-catching back and pass blocker. Moss can also contribute in the passing game but both will be affected by Josh Allen’s rushing in near the goal line as he’ll snipe some rushing TDs. TEs only got an 11.8% Target Share total. The OL returns all 5 starters and ranked 5th-best in Football Outsiders Adjusted Sack Rate last year. Daboll's offense ranked #2 in total yards and offensive points scored in 2020, the first such top 20 finish in yards, 2nd top 20 finish in points. every teams scheme - ( New Window )

Sorry if I’m slow on the uptake, but if that is a reference to Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins, isnt this a run-heavy scheme?

Is run heavy to open up play action originally. Its kind of evolved and the bills relied more on allen to run but its still the same principle. Theres always a short bail out route.

I think its the most balanced

to their personnel.

They mix Allens legs/size into short yardage situations and take advantage of his arm by attacking vertically.

They use Diggs as a chess piece, moving him around the field to draw coverage, while using Beasley underneath and Davis as the deep threat. And create mismatches with Knox at the TE spot, one of the better young TE's in the NFL.

In comment 15573225 lawguy9801 said:

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In comment 15572817 Platos said: Quote: Buffalo Bills Play Caller/Tenure: Brian Daboll (Offensive Coordinator) - 3yrs w BUF; 7yrs as an OC. Personnel Preferences: BUF used 10 personnel 15% (2nd highest rate) vs NFL Avg of 2%. BUF also ran 11 personnel at a higher rate than league average (71% vs 60% league-wide). [Personnel data comes from Sharp Football Stats] Scheme: Daboll is influenced by Josh McDaniels’ Erhardt-Perkins style offense which he's modified to be multiple (borrows plays from several other concepts) and opponent specific. It's a spread offense with lots of different formations, pre-snap motion, and Play Action (abbreviated as PA as we continue). Run blocking utilizes multiple schemes (Zone, Gap, Duo). Additional Notes: BUF was the 11th most pass-heavy team and finished 3rd in Passing Yards and Passing TDs. RB split may favor more Moss on the ground and Singletary as a pass-catching back and pass blocker. Moss can also contribute in the passing game but both will be affected by Josh Allen’s rushing in near the goal line as he’ll snipe some rushing TDs. TEs only got an 11.8% Target Share total. The OL returns all 5 starters and ranked 5th-best in Football Outsiders Adjusted Sack Rate last year. Daboll's offense ranked #2 in total yards and offensive points scored in 2020, the first such top 20 finish in yards, 2nd top 20 finish in points. every teams scheme - ( New Window ) Sorry if I’m slow on the uptake, but if that is a reference to Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins, isnt this a run-heavy scheme?

Good long read on Erhardt-Perkins from Grantland several years back.

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New England’s offense is a member of the NFL’s third offensive family, the Erhardt-Perkins system. The offense was named after the two men, Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins, who developed it while working for the Patriots under head coach Chuck Fairbanks in the 1970s. According to Perkins, it was assembled in the same way most such systems are developed. “I don’t look at it as us inventing it,” he explained. “I look at it as a bunch of coaches sitting in rooms late at night organizing and getting things together to help players be successful.” The backbone of the Erhardt-Perkins system is that plays — pass plays in particular — are not organized by a route tree or by calling a single receiver’s route, but by what coaches refer to as “concepts.” Each play has a name, and that name conjures up an image for both the quarterback and the other players on offense. And, most importantly, the concept can be called from almost any formation or set. Who does what changes, but the theory and tactics driving the play do not. “In essence, you’re running the same play,” said Perkins. “You’re just giving them some window-dressing to make it look different.” The biggest advantage of the concept-based system is that it operates from the perspective of the most critical player on offense: the quarterback. In other systems, even if the underlying principles are the exact same, the play and its name might be very different. Rather than juggling all this information in real time, an Erhardt-Perkins quarterback only has to read a given arrangement of receivers. “You can cut down on the plays and get different looks from your formations and who’s in them. It’s easier for the players to learn. It’s easier for the quarterback to learn,” former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis said back in 2000. “You get different looks without changing his reads. You don’t need an open-ended number of plays.”

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In comment 15572799 Jay on the Island said:

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Daboll does.

I don't understand how posters can't get this. Sure, let's take the OC who works for the guy who designs the offense and calls the plays over the guy who designs the offense and calls the plays!

Daboll runs a more traditional offense than either SF or KC run, but that doesn't mean it isn't creative. He placers a premium on moving his OL around (bye Will Hernandez!), getting them to he 2nd level to create space for his RB's and QB's. He uses motion to help his QB ID coverages and to give his WR's free releases from press coverage.

"He's only successful because of his QB" is a strawman. Yes, successful offenses generally have good QB's. Buffalo was 3rd in yds and 5th in pts, SF 13th in each. Do you think the difference in QB may have been the difference?

And for the millionth time, Daboll oversaw the development of Josh Allen. As we have all discussed, Allen's career arc has not been like most other star QB's. He was a hot mess coming out of Wyoming. Awful footwork, awful accuracy, literally could not throw to his left. That is a lot to work with, yet in his 2nd year, Buffalo was a top 5 offense. How Daboll gets no credit for that is beyond me.

None of us know if Daboll would be a good HC, just as none of us know if McDaniel or Bienemy would be, but Daboll's track record is far superior to those 2. I don't see how it's even close.