RJ Barrett
| RJ Barrett shot 5-for-10 from the free-throw line tonight. “That’s 10 points,” he tells reporters in Cleveland. “We lose by two…I can’t be out there letting the team down missing that many free throws…I’m gonna fix that." |
That right there is why he is the leader of the team and the best player the Knicks have. Give me that.
Thibs leash is getting much, much shorter.
Randle just needs to go. He's the same player he was his whole career. Last year was the anomaly.
Ironic, Quickleys nickname is IQ, especially when he shows little of it at times.
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This year the spare parts got better and have more talent and can do more and Randle still wants to control everything, he wants to either take the shot or set up players when thise players dont need to be set up...Even when he doesnt have the ball he wants to set the screen..
He either needs to learn to just be off the ball or ask out and go away. You got other players who can create for others and themselves they dont need Randle..
Another thing you got young guys who can rum and get easy buckets, but you got players like Burks, Kemba, Randle and Fournier who get the rebound and immediately slow it down..
You cant play half court offense the entire time
Love him or hate him Melo always after every game talked to the media, no matter if he had a bad game or good game, team lost or won, he sat there at took it and he understood it was his job to take the blame even if it was a teammates fault..
If it were me, I'd play these two units
Starters
IQ
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Mitch
Bench
Kemba
Burks
Fournier
Obi
Noel
RJ and Randle can dominate the ball with the starters and Burks/Kemba/Fournier can dominate the ball with the second unit
Long term, however, this roster doesn't really work. But this is IMO the best we can do with this group.
looks mind was elsewhere at that moment
Buyout Kemba..
Trade Burks to a contender for a pick and filler..
Tell Fournier he is going to come off the bench
Quick/rose
grimes/fournier
Rj/reddish
Barnes/obi
Mitch/Noel
Fournier only plays around 25 minutes a night, Reddish, Grimes and Rj get the bulk of the wkng minutes
I am tired of Thibs and his horrible rotations and subs, he keeps zero continuity, and it's killing this team.
Randle is a joke at this point and how does he sit and watch the game footage and not see how his constant turnovers are losing games?
15 days until the deadline, I hope Rose sees that the fan base is getting restless and something needs to be done.
The only bright spot this year has been Barrett he continues to develop and needs to be the focus going forward, fans need a level of patience since he is only 21 and the consistency will not always be there but the arrow is pointed up.
Overall this is a wasted year and a big time disappointment.
Thibs didnt play him
Buyout Kemba..
Trade Burks to a contender for a pick and filler..
Tell Fournier he is going to come off the bench
Quick/rose
grimes/fournier
Rj/reddish
Barnes/obi
Mitch/Noel
Fournier only plays around 25 minutes a night, Reddish, Grimes and Rj get the bulk of the wkng minutes
I can't see the reasoning in buying out Kemba? Quickley is not consistent enough to get 30+ minutes a night. Kemba has proven to run the offense well when given the chance. Rose is going to take a long time to get back to 20+ minutes a night, this is another injury and another surgery on a beat down player.
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Trade Randle for Barnes and a pick
Buyout Kemba..
Trade Burks to a contender for a pick and filler..
Tell Fournier he is going to come off the bench
Quick/rose
grimes/fournier
Rj/reddish
Barnes/obi
Mitch/Noel
Fournier only plays around 25 minutes a night, Reddish, Grimes and Rj get the bulk of the wkng minutes
I can't see the reasoning in buying out Kemba? Quickley is not consistent enough to get 30+ minutes a night. Kemba has proven to run the offense well when given the chance. Rose is going to take a long time to get back to 20+ minutes a night, this is another injury and another surgery on a beat down player.
Quickley will be fine playing 30 minutes, his defense is better and playing next to Rj he wont have to control the ball the entire time..
With Kemba it is not really what he brings to the court, it is the fact he cant stay healthy, you cant keep playing 3 games then sit, it kills any consistency
4 years at around 28 million a year..
Fournier has 2 years after this year
He is actually getting worse as the season has gone on. He shot 33% from 3 in December, and he is shooting 25% from 3 in January.
Meanwhile, you have RJ Barrett who just keeps getting better. In December he averaged 17-5-2 on 33% from three, to now averaging 23-7-3 on 43% from 3 in January. It's clear who the build around piece to this team is, I really hope the front office realizes it so we can just move on from Randle.
How long does the team keep playing Walker even though clearly, his defense is awful and his offense is up and down?
How long before they loosen up the roster to allow for playing time for Cam (can't give up a first to sit the guy on the bench); Grimes, Deuce, Obi?
Will this team ever have a point guard?
At $18 mil per year, his contract isn't unreasonable for what he is if he were in a better situation.
I know its easier to say they that on a message board because of egos in the locker room but if he doesnt like it play fricken better..
He is actively hurting this team, last night he comes in and the Knicks are down 3, Mobely has nowhere to go with the shotclock down to 3 and would of had to throw a heave over Noel and Randle doubles for no reason leaving a wide open 3 for wade..i mean its just stupid..
While it sounds ridiculous at first, Simmons would be an excellent fit alongside Durant and Kyrie.
Randle has regressed.. badly.
that seems like an overreaction. I would take a run at the title this year and then sign-and-trade him after the season if necessary. There's not a lot of cap space out there this summer.
There’s a lot of truth to this
The huge rumor is Harden for Simmons in the offseason.
This team always had a very well defined ceiling (at best they win maybe one playoff round) and the various injuries to the PGs and centers aren't helping. But Randle's play has really derailed this season. And it seems like the team is letting it happen.
Love him or hate him Melo always after every game talked to the media, no matter if he had a bad game or good game, team lost or won, he sat there at took it and he understood it was his job to take the blame even if it was a teammates fault..
I do not think it would be easy to move him. Might be better to see how he fares when Thibs gets his inevitable dismissal and a new coach is here. Randle has skills. He just has to be your number three guy. In his head, he is
I'd love to actually see him set screens, period. Compare how he sets screens to how Taj does it.
This team always had a very well defined ceiling (at best they win maybe one playoff round) and the various injuries to the PGs and centers aren't helping. But Randle's play has really derailed this season. And it seems like the team is letting it happen.
I think you blame Thibs for not holding him accountable and basically handiling him like he js a superstar when he isnt. Randle is allowed to do whatever and still get his minutes..
I blame Randle for everything else, he hijacks the offense, bench comes in and its free flowing and fast, so Thibs can coach that way. Randle comes back in and it goes back to snails pace..
Even on that 2nd to last possession he could of gave it to Rj and let him push it and probably get a good look at the rim...Instead he walks it up and runs down pretty much the entire clock
Haha. I thought the same thing at first. He's saying he had 10 free throws (10points). If he made them all the Knicks would have won by 3.
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he isnt even the leader anymore, it is clearly RJ, after every game he is up there talking to the media, in NY that is big..
Love him or hate him Melo always after every game talked to the media, no matter if he had a bad game or good game, team lost or won, he sat there at took it and he understood it was his job to take the blame even if it was a teammates fault..
I do not think it would be easy to move him. Might be better to see how he fares when Thibs gets his inevitable dismissal and a new coach is here. Randle has skills. He just has to be your number three guy. In his head, he is
I dont think he could be a 3rd guy, he has the talent to sure, but he should be deferring on this team and hr simpky has no idea how to do it..
Also you cant play iff the ball if you refuse to shoot wide open catch and shoot shots
Yup, Rj was beating his man to the rim the entire 4th quarter and had wade on him, could of gotten to the rim with ease
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thing is so frustrating. Players sometimes lose their way. It happens. But we supposedly have all this coaching "talent" on the sidelines (Thibs, Payne, Bryant) and veteran leadership (Rose, Taj, Kemba). Are you telling me NOBODY can reach this guy and get him playing the right way? If they're trying and it's not sinking in, then why is he playing so much?
This team always had a very well defined ceiling (at best they win maybe one playoff round) and the various injuries to the PGs and centers aren't helping. But Randle's play has really derailed this season. And it seems like the team is letting it happen.
I think you blame Thibs for not holding him accountable and basically handiling him like he js a superstar when he isnt. Randle is allowed to do whatever and still get his minutes..
I blame Randle for everything else, he hijacks the offense, bench comes in and its free flowing and fast, so Thibs can coach that way. Randle comes back in and it goes back to snails pace..
Even on that 2nd to last possession he could of gave it to Rj and let him push it and probably get a good look at the rim...Instead he walks it up and runs down pretty much the entire clock
I agree with that. But it's on Thibs to take Randle out when he has 7 turnovers. Thibs has no problem sitting IQ or Obi when they make a bad play. It's almost as if he is scared of benching Randle. Can't have that double standard. Other guys on the team will resent it.
When Obi finally got in he basically chased Love out of the game because he couldnt stay with him..
There is no adapting, you have to get your best plahers on the court, you cant be rigid and play 2 bigs all game..
The cavs do it because they are athletic and can run the floor..
Thibs has Randle and taj playing in the 3rx together, neither want to come out on shooters
I am tired of Thibs and his horrible rotations and subs, he keeps zero continuity, and it's killing this team.
Randle is a joke at this point and how does he sit and watch the game footage and not see how his constant turnovers are losing games?
15 days until the deadline, I hope Rose sees that the fan base is getting restless and something needs to be done.
The only bright spot this year has been Barrett he continues to develop and needs to be the focus going forward, fans need a level of patience since he is only 21 and the consistency will not always be there but the arrow is pointed up.
Overall this is a wasted year and a big time disappointment.
Thibs has done one of the worst jobs i have ever seen this season. He stays with guys too long, treats the 1st and 2nd units like completely separate teams and has no idea how to design a play in crunch time. He also should pull IQ off the floor the next time he launches an awful 3 from 10 feet beyond the arc. This' inability to manage his team lost the game last night.
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Would any team take him with his contract? How realistic is it that he can even be moved? Same with Fournier
4 years at around 28 million a year..
Fournier has 2 years after this year
team option for year 3
If it were me, I'd play these two units
Starters
IQ
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Mitch
Bench
Kemba
Burks
Fournier
Obi
Noel
RJ and Randle can dominate the ball with the starters and Burks/Kemba/Fournier can dominate the ball with the second unit
Long term, however, this roster doesn't really work. But this is IMO the best we can do with this group.
Why no Reddish
When Obi finally got in he basically chased Love out of the game because he couldnt stay with him..
There is no adapting, you have to get your best plahers on the court, you cant be rigid and play 2 bigs all game..
The cavs do it because they are athletic and can run the floor..
Thibs has Randle and taj playing in the 3rx together, neither want to come out on shooters
Yup. Thibs is a terrible in game coach.
He loved Deng in Chicago even though it was clear that Butler was a much better player in his 2nd year. He waited until Butlers like 4th year to let him go.
its not a tanking move
I said this in the offseason. Kemba is washed goods. I dont even think teams want him as a filler.
I can easily see the Knicks and Kemba parting ways - which means GM Lebron will be knocking down on the door for another aging veteran.
Simons has been playing amazing for them
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To Portland for CJ could be a possibility. Simons is going to get paid so they need to make room in the backcourt.
I said this in the offseason. Kemba is washed goods. I dont even think teams want him as a filler.
I can easily see the Knicks and Kemba parting ways - which means GM Lebron will be knocking down on the door for another aging veteran.
Portland would probably be able to get out of most of year 2 of Kembas deal based on the exhibit 3 of his deal. Portland desperately needs the front court help.
Portland would probably be able to get out of most of year 2 of Kembas deal based on the exhibit 3 of his deal. Portland desperately needs the front court help.
Lillard quote from the other day kind of interested me. HE said if Portland was gonna tank, he would sit out the year. I kind of read that he wants them to tank to get a high pick. Which then would obviously be traded to help him get another player.
If a team was interested in trading for randle, the Kings still seem to be the team to go after. Maybe not Barnes, but what about Bagley and Mitchell? I think Sac holds onto Fox which makes Mitchell's role limited.
Knicks owe him 4yr/29M beginning next season.
As mentioned at the end of the thread last night, Randle's deal has a 15% trade kicker that applies to the balance remaining on his contract.
Which means a deal now would cost the Knicks an $18M going away present and a 15% premium would be added to the cap hit of the acquiring team. Translating to a 4yr/33.6M cap consequence for his new team.
I doubt Randle's contract can be moved without attaching a pick. And the Knicks are down one after the Reddish trade.
Buyout Kemba..
Trade Burks to a contender for a pick and filler..
Tell Fournier he is going to come off the bench
Quick/rose
grimes/fournier
Rj/reddish
Barnes/obi
Mitch/Noel
Fournier only plays around 25 minutes a night, Reddish, Grimes and Rj get the bulk of the wkng minutes
Do it Rose!
I probably like Randle more than most but I would still do this deal. Is this really a possibility being discussed?
I don't know, lately he's been pretty horrible. High volume, inefficient scorer, turnover machine, high usage rate, lazy on D. I'm sure he has value based off of last year, but the longer this shit goes on the faster that value is going to drop.
2) He had extra time to prepare for the 2020-21 season. Maybe he needs that extra time. I don't know what he can do about that. The goal is to be playing in June.
3) As others have noted, it may not be a coincidence that he had his best season without fans in the building. He may be too sensitive to the crowd. I don't know what he can do about that, either.
if he doesnt make a move he will be killed
RJB is not as good as Randle. He may never be. And why do we have to praise one while condemning the other? Why can't these two guys co-exist? They play two different positions and play a different style but now every other post seems to go out of its way to vault RJB while killing Randle? What's that all about?
Randle has had an off year, but I find it disturbing we are going to run this guy out of town because of some back-round noise.
He will be an all star elsewhere. We better get a lot back for Randle that's all I know.
You gotta be kidding me. RJB should have attacked the basket but we're gonna blame Randle ?
This has spiraled. Been there done that.
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is a tanking move. I'm ok with tanking, but that's what it is. If the Knicks can't get better at the deadline, I'd be ok with them getting worse to play young guys.
its not a tanking move
Well, I guess we disagree then on whether that would improve the starting lineup.
RJB is not as good as Randle. He may never be. And why do we have to praise one while condemning the other? Why can't these two guys co-exist? They play two different positions and play a different style but now every other post seems to go out of its way to vault RJB while killing Randle? What's that all about?
Randle has had an off year, but I find it disturbing we are going to run this guy out of town because of some back-round noise.
He will be an all star elsewhere. We better get a lot back for Randle that's all I know.
Randle is who he is, last year was the outlier. He is playing the same way he did his first year here, the way he did in New Orleans, and the way he did in Los Angeles before that. It isn't like his performance this season is some shock, it's him coming back down to Earth.
We have no PGs. Ever. For about 5 minutes I thought we did have them this year but then Kemba turned into a smiling matador who shoots well once a week, Rose broke in half and IG stayed IQ.
No PGs. That's why Randle is struggling. Most scoring forwards do when the PGs are garbage.
Could be wrong, but when in doubt, look at the glaring weaknesses and go from there. The best PG on this team the last 2 years was Elfrid Fucking Payton.
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push another good player out of MSG. Whatever works. We've been down this road many times before.
RJB is not as good as Randle. He may never be. And why do we have to praise one while condemning the other? Why can't these two guys co-exist? They play two different positions and play a different style but now every other post seems to go out of its way to vault RJB while killing Randle? What's that all about?
Randle has had an off year, but I find it disturbing we are going to run this guy out of town because of some back-round noise.
He will be an all star elsewhere. We better get a lot back for Randle that's all I know.
Randle is who he is, last year was the outlier. He is playing the same way he did his first year here, the way he did in New Orleans, and the way he did in Los Angeles before that. It isn't like his performance this season is some shock, it's him coming back down to Earth.
OK, I guess...he's still the best player on the team by virtually every single metric known to man and again, check those PGs.
Randle is the problem and isn't the problem. He played insanely well last season and has come back to earth. Maybe we should try and figure out why instead of dumping him in a ridiculously short sighted and bad trade like Barnes. Cmon already.
RJB is not as good as Randle. He may never be. And why do we have to praise one while condemning the other? Why can't these two guys co-exist? They play two different positions and play a different style but now every other post seems to go out of its way to vault RJB while killing Randle? What's that all about?
Randle has had an off year, but I find it disturbing we are going to run this guy out of town because of some back-round noise.
He will be an all star elsewhere. We better get a lot back for Randle that's all I know.
I've been off the Randle train as early as game 2 of this year. He isn't as good as you think he is. I don't know if you're watching the games or not. But RJB is surpassing Randle.
To put those all-around numbers in context, consider this: Only two players have tallied more than 300 points, 75 rebounds, 50 made free throws and 25 made three-pointers since the end of December. One is LeBron James. The other is RJ Barrett.
The key to unlocking Barrett's success since his return from Covid protocols last month has been his relentless attacks at the tin. Barrett is averaging more than 15 drives per game during this recent stretch, and 73.9% of all the points he's scored inside the arc resulted from drives to the basket. Not only is that highest among all Knicks, but it's also nearly double every other player on the team (Randle ranks second at 8.5 drives per game).
RJ has scored a total of 147 points off drives in 2022, which ranks fifth in the entire league, behind only Ja Morant, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Luka Doncic and De'Aaron Fox (and ahead of stars such as Giannis Antetokounmpo and Trae Young).
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We have no PGs. Ever. For about 5 minutes I thought we did have them this year but then Kemba turned into a smiling matador who shoots well once a week, Rose broke in half and IG stayed IQ.
No PGs. That's why Randle is struggling. Most scoring forwards do when the PGs are garbage.
Could be wrong, but when in doubt, look at the glaring weaknesses and go from there. The best PG on this team the last 2 years was Elfrid Fucking Payton.
IQ had 6 assists to 1 TO last night. He may be shooting like shit. But he's a good point guard.
That last sentence disqualifies you from ever commenting on Knicks threads.
If you dont think Randle is the reason they lost last night i dont know what to tell you..
On the play Rj took the 3, there was no reason the ball should of been in Randles hands, zero, ball should of been given to Rj right away and let him attack the basket
Nobody wants Payton back. But it’s not heresy. Beyond his PG skills he was a floor leader. No one has filled that role on the team since his benching and departure.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Randle’s playing efficiency declined when Payton lost his playing time late last year.
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Just checked a stat for tomorrow's newsletter and Julius Randle is now officially the least efficient high usage player in the NBA. Among 38 players w/a usage rate above 26 (min. 20 games & 20 mpg), his eFG% of 46.4 ranks dead last. Also has the 4th worst TO ratio of the group.
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That Elf comment is heresy. You gotta retract that.
Nobody wants Payton back. But it’s not heresy. Beyond his PG skills he was a floor leader. No one has filled that role on the team since his benching and departure.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Randle’s playing efficiency declined when Payton lost his playing time late last year.
this is sarcasm right?
It's almost like the Giants with linebackers. Why did they take Obi over Haliburton or why did they take Kevin Knox over SGA?
it's really infuriating.
this is sarcasm right?
Nope. I think Randle needs a take charge guy on the floor. He’s not the only one.
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this is sarcasm right?
Nope. I think Randle needs a take charge guy on the floor. He’s not the only one.
You think Payton was a take charge PG?
I’d say better than 50% chance Burks or Fournier aren’t here after the deadline
I’d say better than 50% chance Burks or Fournier aren’t here after the deadline
Why are they trying so hard to keep Obi when Thibs plays him 10 minutes a game ? If they believe him in so much then trade Randle and let Obi flourish. Otherwise, they are just wasting an asset
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That Elf comment is heresy. You gotta retract that.
Nobody wants Payton back. But it’s not heresy. Beyond his PG skills he was a floor leader. No one has filled that role on the team since his benching and departure.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Randle’s playing efficiency declined when Payton lost his playing time late last year.
RJ is trying but Thibs still won't put the ball in his hands enough even though with the way he is playing he is showing he deserves it.
Randle efficiency went down when the crowds came back
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They’ve rebuffed every team so far that’s called about Obi.
I’d say better than 50% chance Burks or Fournier aren’t here after the deadline
Why are they trying so hard to keep Obi when Thibs plays him 10 minutes a game ? If they believe him in so much then trade Randle and let Obi flourish. Otherwise, they are just wasting an asset
Thibs will be gone soon. End of next year at the latest
I’d say better than 50% chance Burks or Fournier aren’t here after the deadline
I hope your right when it comes to Burks and Fournier
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They’ve rebuffed every team so far that’s called about Obi.
I’d say better than 50% chance Burks or Fournier aren’t here after the deadline
Why are they trying so hard to keep Obi when Thibs plays him 10 minutes a game ? If they believe him in so much then trade Randle and let Obi flourish. Otherwise, they are just wasting an asset
Thibs will be gone soon. End of next year at the latest
It's not just about Thibs though. I have no insider knowledge other then what i read, but it appears just baed on their moves that there are different voices in the front office instead of 1 clear path. They have a bunch of young players who appear to have upside and are worth playing and developing while at the same time they go and sign Fournier, Burks, Kemba, Randle etc to block a good number of them.
Thibs deserves blame but at the same time so does the front office. I just dont know who in the front office to blame for this past offseason of giving Randle a huge extension off of 1 season with a terrible postseason, and then signing Fournier and Kemba 2 guys who can't play a lick of defense to play for Thibs
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They’ve rebuffed every team so far that’s called about Obi.
I’d say better than 50% chance Burks or Fournier aren’t here after the deadline
Why are they trying so hard to keep Obi when Thibs plays him 10 minutes a game ? If they believe him in so much then trade Randle and let Obi flourish. Otherwise, they are just wasting an asset
Thibs will be gone soon. End of next year at the latest
It's not just about Thibs though. I have no insider knowledge other then what i read, but it appears just baed on their moves that there are different voices in the front office instead of 1 clear path. They have a bunch of young players who appear to have upside and are worth playing and developing while at the same time they go and sign Fournier, Burks, Kemba, Randle etc to block a good number of them.
Thibs deserves blame but at the same time so does the front office. I just dont know who in the front office to blame for this past offseason of giving Randle a huge extension off of 1 season with a terrible postseason, and then signing Fournier and Kemba 2 guys who can't play a lick of defense to play for Thibs
Saying they should have not paid Randle is one of those criticisms that is far easier to make now than when he was playing like one of the 15 best players in the NBA for a full season.
I dont really recall anyone arguing that they shouldn't
RJ better not be available. He’s the only guy I’ll be pissed about them moving.
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virtually everyone is available
RJ better not be available. He’s the only guy I’ll be pissed about them moving.
I dont think he is, I think he only goes in a superstar type deal
Which team would trade for him at this point ?
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name is starting to circulate around the NBA
Which team would trade for him at this point ?
There are teams that would trade for Randle, his deal is not awful for a 3rd option type of guy
You can trade Randle
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name is starting to circulate around the NBA
Which team would trade for him at this point ?
There are teams that would trade for Randle, his deal is not awful for a 3rd option type of guy
The biggest issue with Randle is he won't accept being the 3rd option because in his head he is Lebron James. I just can't believe another Executive would see how he is playing this season and want that contract on his roster for the next 4 years but if there is then hopefully the Knicks jump at the opportunity to trade him
You can trade Randle
This. From what I've read multiple western conference teams are interested. I heard the Kings too. They have tons of guards and wings, but besides Holmes and maybe Metu they are soft up front. Bagley is probably a goner soon.
Randle for Barnes and a first. Burks for a first. Cut Kemba. Let's go.
36 points in the first half. 80 in the second half. Wow.
I’m guessing Reddish wasn’t acquired just to be flipped within a month, so he’s probably safe too.
I want to add Mitch but he can’t stay on the court.
The official NBA game highlight package is worth watching for how the Wiz blow the 35 point lead.
But then it leaves out most of the good stuff in the wild ending. Five second violation. Four point play
For that, there are a number of youtube vids of the full ending already up.
Worth a watch.
Barnes and a first for Randle. One week away... Feb 2nd LFG
The official NBA game highlight package is worth watching for how the Wiz blow the 35 point lead.
But then it leaves out most of the good stuff in the wild ending. Five second violation. Four point play
For that, there are a number of youtube vids of the full ending already up.
Worth a watch.
Thanks just caught the highlights. Listen that was one of the epic endings ever but there's no way Beal fouled him lol
Depends how you look at it, they are in desperate need of a wing, Brunson doesnt play PG for them, Luka is their point, so they would trade Brunson to get a wing to help Luka
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Brunson this will make it harder for mavs to trade Brunson.
Depends how you look at it, they are in desperate need of a wing, Brunson doesnt play PG for them, Luka is their point, so they would trade Brunson to get a wing to help Luka
Maybe we trade them Cam. :-)
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Brunson this will make it harder for mavs to trade Brunson.
Depends how you look at it, they are in desperate need of a wing, Brunson doesnt play PG for them, Luka is their point, so they would trade Brunson to get a wing to help Luka
Maybe we trade them Cam. :-)
noooooo :)
If that were the case, the Mavs would be looking for shooting in return. Obviously, Burks is not enough but I'd deal Obi, Burks and the Dallas first round pick back to Dallas, to get Brunson.
Still appears though that there is no deal without Grimes.
Of course, if the Knicks feel they can sign Brunson outright, then they shouldn't deal. But I think Bird rights are really crucial here. Deal for Brunson now, and the Knicks would have the ability to surpass the cap to sign him.
Knicks desperately need a PG. And we have kicked this can down the road for 20 years. Brunson could be exactly what the doctor has ordered.
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virtually everyone is available
RJ better not be available. He’s the only guy I’ll be pissed about them moving.
Although they almost dealt him the start of last season, he’s not available in trade talks that don’t bring in a top 15 player
Although they almost dealt him the start of last season, he’s not available in trade talks that don’t bring in a top 15 player
That would have been incredibly stupid and Knicks-esque.
Whatever the case I just want to break this trend where the Knicks see many a player regress and things turn south. I'd like to think this regime won't be too quick to give up on a player like Randle. If he can be moved in the right deal I am all for it, but don't just dump him. That's stupid.
Waiting for the consolidation type trade. Too many pretty good or good young players not enough star power in the back court. Get it done.
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adding real fucking pgs to this team for the first time in 50 years wouldn't help things, since Randle is the only ball handler on the team that doesn't do god awfully stupid shit (IQ shooting from lake erie during the biggest possession) or disappear completely (Hi Alec Burks)
We have no PGs. Ever. For about 5 minutes I thought we did have them this year but then Kemba turned into a smiling matador who shoots well once a week, Rose broke in half and IG stayed IQ.
No PGs. That's why Randle is struggling. Most scoring forwards do when the PGs are garbage.
Could be wrong, but when in doubt, look at the glaring weaknesses and go from there. The best PG on this team the last 2 years was Elfrid Fucking Payton.
IQ had 6 assists to 1 TO last night. He may be shooting like shit. But he's a good point guard.
That last sentence disqualifies you from ever commenting on Knicks threads.
Trading Randle for Barnes is far more damaging to the Knicks than anything I say on here.
I wasn't even condemning IQ as much as just saying the Knicks don't have any PGs. If IQ is your best PG you're in trouble.
Oh get over it. It's true anyway. We don't even HAVE A PG right now! That in and of itself renders things true because as much as some here might not want to admit it, Payton is better than air.
Again though, that's not the point. The point is we don't have any PG! You want to argue about how bad Payton was be my guest. Don't care.
Grimes is 14-29 on *guarded* catch and shoot attempts, per Synergy. He's in the 97th percentile in the NBA and 11th out of 324 qualified players
Legitimate two-way player at a position of need now and for the future.
The New York Knicks maximized their spending power last offseason to put the strongest and deepest roster possible. In doing so, they lost a lot of flexibility over the next few seasons and their best path to improving the team is through trade. They have a handful of expendable veterans, many young players, and a surplus of first-round draft picks to facilitate a deal.
The Knicks could be on the search for another new point guard with Kemba Walker‘s knee issues flaring up again. They could pursue guards such as De’Aaron Fox, Dennis Schroder, or Jalen Brunson. According to SNY’s Ian Begley, Brunson shares many connections with the Knicks organization that could make him a strong trade target for them. A package centered on Mitchell Robinson, who is currently extension-eligible and set to become an unrestricted free agent this summer, or sending back the Mavericks their 2023 first-round, could make sense.
The Knicks traded a first-round pick that may not convey for a while to take a shot on Cam Reddish. With a young core that features him, RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, Quentin Grimes, and Miles McBride, they have more than enough recent draft selections to develop. They could look to package some of their future draft picks and young players for the next available All-Star that becomes available. They have all their own first-round picks and a whopping 15 second-round picks over the next seven drafts to play with.
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Same here. Won't be a star but has a VERY high floor - sniper from three, elite perimeter defender, good rebounder (for a wing) and competes his ass off every second he's out there. He's my favorite Knicks player in quite some time. There's a reason teams keep asking for him.