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watch this Julius Randle highlight. He's been doing this shit all year.
Defending.. out of bounds? - ( New Window )

Randle last year had to do everything, he basically ran the offense with a bunch of spare parts around him and he had to carry them..He always had thr ball and he was basically in the flow of the game the entire time...

This year the spare parts got better and have more talent and can do more and Randle still wants to control everything, he wants to either take the shot or set up players when thise players dont need to be set up...Even when he doesnt have the ball he wants to set the screen..

He either needs to learn to just be off the ball or ask out and go away. You got other players who can create for others and themselves they dont need Randle..

Another thing you got young guys who can rum and get easy buckets, but you got players like Burks, Kemba, Randle and Fournier who get the rebound and immediately slow it down..

You cant play half court offense the entire time

he isnt even the leader anymore, it is clearly RJ, after every game he is up there talking to the media, in NY that is big..

Love him or hate him Melo always after every game talked to the media, no matter if he had a bad game or good game, team lost or won, he sat there at took it and he understood it was his job to take the blame even if it was a teammates fault..

offense. Each half court possession is such a struggle. Randle is so ball dominant that the other guys who also need the ball (RJ, Kemba, Burks, Fournier) don't fit around him.

If it were me, I'd play these two units

Starters
IQ
Grimes
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Bench
Kemba
Burks
Fournier
Obi
Noel

RJ and Randle can dominate the ball with the starters and Burks/Kemba/Fournier can dominate the ball with the second unit

Long term, however, this roster doesn't really work. But this is IMO the best we can do with this group.

In comment 15573344 JohninSC said:

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watch this Julius Randle highlight. He's been doing this shit all year. Defending.. out of bounds? - ( New Window )

looks mind was elsewhere at that moment

Trade Randle for Barnes and a pick

Buyout Kemba..

Trade Burks to a contender for a pick and filler..

Tell Fournier he is going to come off the bench

Quick/rose
grimes/fournier
Rj/reddish
Barnes/obi
Mitch/Noel

Fournier only plays around 25 minutes a night, Reddish, Grimes and Rj get the bulk of the wkng minutes

I missed the game last night, is he still hurt or is Thibs just not playing him? If its the latter, what the hell was the point of the trade?

if you are not going to give him any minutes?
I am tired of Thibs and his horrible rotations and subs, he keeps zero continuity, and it's killing this team.
Randle is a joke at this point and how does he sit and watch the game footage and not see how his constant turnovers are losing games?
15 days until the deadline, I hope Rose sees that the fan base is getting restless and something needs to be done.
The only bright spot this year has been Barrett he continues to develop and needs to be the focus going forward, fans need a level of patience since he is only 21 and the consistency will not always be there but the arrow is pointed up.

Overall this is a wasted year and a big time disappointment.

In comment 15573400 Br00klyn said:

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I missed the game last night, is he still hurt or is Thibs just not playing him? If its the latter, what the hell was the point of the trade?

Thibs didnt play him

In comment 15573396 nygiants16 said:

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Trade Randle for Barnes and a pick Buyout Kemba.. Trade Burks to a contender for a pick and filler.. Tell Fournier he is going to come off the bench Quick/rose grimes/fournier Rj/reddish Barnes/obi Mitch/Noel Fournier only plays around 25 minutes a night, Reddish, Grimes and Rj get the bulk of the wkng minutes

I can't see the reasoning in buying out Kemba? Quickley is not consistent enough to get 30+ minutes a night. Kemba has proven to run the offense well when given the chance. Rose is going to take a long time to get back to 20+ minutes a night, this is another injury and another surgery on a beat down player.

In comment 15573417 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15573396 nygiants16 said: Quote: Trade Randle for Barnes and a pick Buyout Kemba.. Trade Burks to a contender for a pick and filler.. Tell Fournier he is going to come off the bench Quick/rose grimes/fournier Rj/reddish Barnes/obi Mitch/Noel Fournier only plays around 25 minutes a night, Reddish, Grimes and Rj get the bulk of the wkng minutes I can't see the reasoning in buying out Kemba? Quickley is not consistent enough to get 30+ minutes a night. Kemba has proven to run the offense well when given the chance. Rose is going to take a long time to get back to 20+ minutes a night, this is another injury and another surgery on a beat down player.

Quickley will be fine playing 30 minutes, his defense is better and playing next to Rj he wont have to control the ball the entire time..

With Kemba it is not really what he brings to the court, it is the fact he cant stay healthy, you cant keep playing 3 games then sit, it kills any consistency

us all having many ideas on trades, be it Brunson or Fox or other, this team is not good enough to overcome Randle. He's sort of become Westbrook "light" (dominates the ball, highly inefficient --turnover prone and bad shooting, emotional, defensively unreliable).

on the defensive end is maddening

Would any team take him with his contract? How realistic is it that he can even be moved? Same with Fournier

to free up minutes for Reddish, he feels there is no way Knicks trade for a guy like Reddish without a promise of more minutes

I want to see more of Grimes.

In comment 15573470 LTIsTheGreatest said:

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Would any team take him with his contract? How realistic is it that he can even be moved? Same with Fournier

4 years at around 28 million a year..

Fournier has 2 years after this year

He shot out of his mind from 3 and started thinking it is a shot that he should be taking. The problem is, he has regressed to his career averages but is still shooting as many 3s as he was last year. A guy taking 5.5 3s per game is fine when he is making 41% of them, but when he is only making 31% it is having a big negative impact on the team. Those 3 point attempts are basically turnovers on top of the 3.5 turnovers that he's already averaging.

He is actually getting worse as the season has gone on. He shot 33% from 3 in December, and he is shooting 25% from 3 in January.

Meanwhile, you have RJ Barrett who just keeps getting better. In December he averaged 17-5-2 on 33% from three, to now averaging 23-7-3 on 43% from 3 in January. It's clear who the build around piece to this team is, I really hope the front office realizes it so we can just move on from Randle.

How long does team management and Thibs allow the season to be washed away by poor, uninterested, and adversarial play of Randle?

How long does the team keep playing Walker even though clearly, his defense is awful and his offense is up and down?

How long before they loosen up the roster to allow for playing time for Cam (can't give up a first to sit the guy on the bench); Grimes, Deuce, Obi?

Will this team ever have a point guard?

I don't think he will be difficult to move if they have to. I think he is more a victim of situation than anything. On a per 36 minute basis he is averaging 17-3.5-2 and his shooting splits are in line with his career averages. He is just doing it as basically the 4th option with an inconsistent role.

At $18 mil per year, his contract isn't unreasonable for what he is if he were in a better situation.

because Thibs still just gives him consistent minutes, if it was any other player they would be sitting and i get he is your highest paid player but there was no reason he should of came in for Obi with 6 minutes left in the 4th..

I know its easier to say they that on a message board because of egos in the locker room but if he doesnt like it play fricken better..

He is actively hurting this team, last night he comes in and the Knicks are down 3, Mobely has nowhere to go with the shotclock down to 3 and would of had to throw a heave over Noel and Randle doubles for no reason leaving a wide open 3 for wade..i mean its just stupid..

according Fischer, if i am Brooklyn i am sitting down with Harden and asking him if he is resigning, if he isnt i am trading him and getting something

In comment 15573710 nygiants16 said:

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according Fischer, if i am Brooklyn i am sitting down with Harden and asking him if he is resigning, if he isnt i am trading him and getting something

While it sounds ridiculous at first, Simmons would be an excellent fit alongside Durant and Kyrie.

Kyrie a part-time player, KD banged up, Harden miserable. You knew things would start to crack after a year or so.

the team belongs to RJ Barrett aka " The Broadway Bully "..

Randle has regressed.. badly.

In comment 15573710 nygiants16 said:

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according Fischer, if i am Brooklyn i am sitting down with Harden and asking him if he is resigning, if he isnt i am trading him and getting something

that seems like an overreaction. I would take a run at the title this year and then sign-and-trade him after the season if necessary. There's not a lot of cap space out there this summer.

I like Randle as a person. I appreciate him coming here. I appreciate him wanting to be here. However, he just doesn't get it. He also isn't cut out for NY in my opinion. He's fragile mentally. It is also unfair for us to judge him when so much was put on his shoulders. He just isn't right for this team right now. I don't see him growing as a player. I'd rather trade him while he can net us a really nice return and give Obi a chance. Maybe we take a step back with Obi. Maybe we don't. I'm willing to find out and make that bet with him as only a second year player. And stop sticking him in the corner of the floor or having him chuck up 3s by playing so far away from the basket. I'd love to actually see him set screens INSIDE the 3 point line.

In comment 15573710 nygiants16 said:

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according Fischer, if i am Brooklyn i am sitting down with Harden and asking him if he is resigning, if he isnt i am trading him and getting something

There’s a lot of truth to this

In comment 15573710 nygiants16 said:

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according Fischer, if i am Brooklyn i am sitting down with Harden and asking him if he is resigning, if he isnt i am trading him and getting something

The huge rumor is Harden for Simmons in the offseason.

but isn't 5 missed FTs 5 points and not 10?

thing is so frustrating. Players sometimes lose their way. It happens. But we supposedly have all this coaching "talent" on the sidelines (Thibs, Payne, Bryant) and veteran leadership (Rose, Taj, Kemba). Are you telling me NOBODY can reach this guy and get him playing the right way? If they're trying and it's not sinking in, then why is he playing so much?

This team always had a very well defined ceiling (at best they win maybe one playoff round) and the various injuries to the PGs and centers aren't helping. But Randle's play has really derailed this season. And it seems like the team is letting it happen.

In comment 15573378 nygiants16 said:

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he isnt even the leader anymore, it is clearly RJ, after every game he is up there talking to the media, in NY that is big.. Love him or hate him Melo always after every game talked to the media, no matter if he had a bad game or good game, team lost or won, he sat there at took it and he understood it was his job to take the blame even if it was a teammates fault..

I do not think it would be easy to move him. Might be better to see how he fares when Thibs gets his inevitable dismissal and a new coach is here. Randle has skills. He just has to be your number three guy. In his head, he is

In comment 15573766 robbieballs2003 said:

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I'd love to actually see him set screens INSIDE the 3 point line.

I'd love to actually see him set screens, period. Compare how he sets screens to how Taj does it.

In comment 15573779 Enzo said:

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thing is so frustrating. Players sometimes lose their way. It happens. But we supposedly have all this coaching "talent" on the sidelines (Thibs, Payne, Bryant) and veteran leadership (Rose, Taj, Kemba). Are you telling me NOBODY can reach this guy and get him playing the right way? If they're trying and it's not sinking in, then why is he playing so much? This team always had a very well defined ceiling (at best they win maybe one playoff round) and the various injuries to the PGs and centers aren't helping. But Randle's play has really derailed this season. And it seems like the team is letting it happen.

I think you blame Thibs for not holding him accountable and basically handiling him like he js a superstar when he isnt. Randle is allowed to do whatever and still get his minutes..

I blame Randle for everything else, he hijacks the offense, bench comes in and its free flowing and fast, so Thibs can coach that way. Randle comes back in and it goes back to snails pace..

Even on that 2nd to last possession he could of gave it to Rj and let him push it and probably get a good look at the rim...Instead he walks it up and runs down pretty much the entire clock

In comment 15573778 Mike from SI said:

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but isn't 5 missed FTs 5 points and not 10?

Haha. I thought the same thing at first. He's saying he had 10 free throws (10points). If he made them all the Knicks would have won by 3.

was because Randle didn't get him the ball sooner. RJ would have preferred the 2 instead of a last second 3.

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In comment 15573378 nygiants16 said: Quote: he isnt even the leader anymore, it is clearly RJ, after every game he is up there talking to the media, in NY that is big.. Love him or hate him Melo always after every game talked to the media, no matter if he had a bad game or good game, team lost or won, he sat there at took it and he understood it was his job to take the blame even if it was a teammates fault.. I do not think it would be easy to move him. Might be better to see how he fares when Thibs gets his inevitable dismissal and a new coach is here. Randle has skills. He just has to be your number three guy. In his head, he is

I dont think he could be a 3rd guy, he has the talent to sure, but he should be deferring on this team and hr simpky has no idea how to do it..

Also you cant play iff the ball if you refuse to shoot wide open catch and shoot shots

In comment 15573805 JohninSC said:

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was because Randle didn't get him the ball sooner. RJ would have preferred the 2 instead of a last second 3.

Yup, Rj was beating his man to the rim the entire 4th quarter and had wade on him, could of gotten to the rim with ease

In comment 15573801 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15573779 Enzo said: Quote: thing is so frustrating. Players sometimes lose their way. It happens. But we supposedly have all this coaching "talent" on the sidelines (Thibs, Payne, Bryant) and veteran leadership (Rose, Taj, Kemba). Are you telling me NOBODY can reach this guy and get him playing the right way? If they're trying and it's not sinking in, then why is he playing so much? This team always had a very well defined ceiling (at best they win maybe one playoff round) and the various injuries to the PGs and centers aren't helping. But Randle's play has really derailed this season. And it seems like the team is letting it happen. I think you blame Thibs for not holding him accountable and basically handiling him like he js a superstar when he isnt. Randle is allowed to do whatever and still get his minutes.. I blame Randle for everything else, he hijacks the offense, bench comes in and its free flowing and fast, so Thibs can coach that way. Randle comes back in and it goes back to snails pace.. Even on that 2nd to last possession he could of gave it to Rj and let him push it and probably get a good look at the rim...Instead he walks it up and runs down pretty much the entire clock

I agree with that. But it's on Thibs to take Randle out when he has 7 turnovers. Thibs has no problem sitting IQ or Obi when they make a bad play. It's almost as if he is scared of benching Randle. Can't have that double standard. Other guys on the team will resent it.

but his defense on Garland was suffocating - the big runs the Knicks made in each half happened when Grimes checked in and locked Garland down for a few minutes. That game-winning three was just a scramble after an offensive rebound. If Grimes had a chance to nail a game-winning three I'd have him in the HOF today.

I think RJ was asked about the team going 11-21 at the line, which is the 10 points. So not just about him, who coincidentally shot 10.

Love was killing the team on pick and pops, so why not come in with Obi for Noel and go small and force Love to chase Obi..

When Obi finally got in he basically chased Love out of the game because he couldnt stay with him..

There is no adapting, you have to get your best plahers on the court, you cant be rigid and play 2 bigs all game..

The cavs do it because they are athletic and can run the floor..

Thibs has Randle and taj playing in the 3rx together, neither want to come out on shooters

In comment 15573409 larryflower37 said:

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if you are not going to give him any minutes? I am tired of Thibs and his horrible rotations and subs, he keeps zero continuity, and it's killing this team. Randle is a joke at this point and how does he sit and watch the game footage and not see how his constant turnovers are losing games? 15 days until the deadline, I hope Rose sees that the fan base is getting restless and something needs to be done. The only bright spot this year has been Barrett he continues to develop and needs to be the focus going forward, fans need a level of patience since he is only 21 and the consistency will not always be there but the arrow is pointed up. Overall this is a wasted year and a big time disappointment.

Thibs has done one of the worst jobs i have ever seen this season. He stays with guys too long, treats the 1st and 2nd units like completely separate teams and has no idea how to design a play in crunch time. He also should pull IQ off the floor the next time he launches an awful 3 from 10 feet beyond the arc. This' inability to manage his team lost the game last night.

In comment 15573487 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15573470 LTIsTheGreatest said: Quote: Would any team take him with his contract? How realistic is it that he can even be moved? Same with Fournier 4 years at around 28 million a year.. Fournier has 2 years after this year

team option for year 3

In comment 15573384 Heisenberg said:

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offense. Each half court possession is such a struggle. Randle is so ball dominant that the other guys who also need the ball (RJ, Kemba, Burks, Fournier) don't fit around him. If it were me, I'd play these two units Starters IQ Grimes RJ Randle Mitch Bench Kemba Burks Fournier Obi Noel RJ and Randle can dominate the ball with the starters and Burks/Kemba/Fournier can dominate the ball with the second unit Long term, however, this roster doesn't really work. But this is IMO the best we can do with this group.

Why no Reddish

In comment 15573837 nygiants16 said:

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Love was killing the team on pick and pops, so why not come in with Obi for Noel and go small and force Love to chase Obi.. When Obi finally got in he basically chased Love out of the game because he couldnt stay with him.. There is no adapting, you have to get your best plahers on the court, you cant be rigid and play 2 bigs all game.. The cavs do it because they are athletic and can run the floor.. Thibs has Randle and taj playing in the 3rx together, neither want to come out on shooters

Yup. Thibs is a terrible in game coach.

is a tanking move. I'm ok with tanking, but that's what it is. If the Knicks can't get better at the deadline, I'd be ok with them getting worse to play young guys.

a ball dominate player to carry the offense (Rose, Butler, Randle last year). But I think 16 said it earlier, he relies way too much on aging veterans than young guys.

He loved Deng in Chicago even though it was clear that Butler was a much better player in his 2nd year. He waited until Butlers like 4th year to let him go.

In comment 15573850 Heisenberg said:

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is a tanking move. I'm ok with tanking, but that's what it is. If the Knicks can't get better at the deadline, I'd be ok with them getting worse to play young guys.

its not a tanking move

To Portland for CJ could be a possibility. Simons is going to get paid so they need to make room in the backcourt.