Am i the only one ok with the OT rules?

Since they changed the rule to what it is now, teams that won the coin toss are 10-1 in the playoffs. I think that's too much of an advantage from the flip of a coin.

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I liked when they made a rule that a field goal can’t win it because that may be too big of an advantage to the offense.

But I think it’s reasonable to expect a defense is capable of stopping a touchdown on a drive that starts from the 25 yard line.

If you want to switch to college rules great but it still takes a defensive stop to win. The 13 seconds was the time for your stop.

have a shot on offense…more football is better

I'm not against a change but I don't get the argument that both teams didn't get to touch the ball. I agree, play defense and special teams. I also didn't like moving the extra point back. I liked seeing fake extra points.

Not certain a change must be made but if so, then the best options I heard were to either 1) just adopt the college format or 2) run like a 10-minute OT and whoever is winning at the end of it wins. If still tied after 10 minutes, then it goes sudden death.

add a whole quarter if you want.

But I see no problem with sudden death. You are give 60 minutes to decide the game. It's enough. As a coach, or as a player, you know on the front end that if you don't win in regulation, you are leaving your chances to a coin flip. Don't let it happen.

In comment 15573431 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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The problem is that the team that loses the coin toss and then loses 90% of the time DID take care of their business just as well as the other team in the first 4 quarters. That's why they're in OT. The playoff winner shouldn't be decided by the flip of a coin, which is what is happening now.

In comment 15573460 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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add a whole quarter if you want. But I see no problem with sudden death. You are give 60 minutes to decide the game. It's enough. As a coach, or as a player, you know on the front end that if you don't win in regulation, you are leaving your chances to a coin flip. Don't let it happen.

The overtime rules shouldn't be based on the thought of "well you did this to yourself by not winning in regulation!" Under that mantra, why not have one team attempt a 30 yard field goal and if they make it they win?

I'd like to see them simply require each team has a possession in the OT, whether you score a FG, TD or anything else. A safety could also end it.

Watching a QB drive his team down to take the lead in the final minute only to have them not even touch the ball again and lose just doesn't sit right. The 10-1 record in the playoffs tells you the coin toss is largely deciding who wins the game which is a disservice to the teams and fans.

In comment 15573437 chick310 said:

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Not certain a change must be made but if so, then the best options I heard were to either 1) just adopt the college format or 2) run like a 10-minute OT and whoever is winning at the end of it wins. If still tied after 10 minutes, then it goes sudden death.

Not a fan of the college format, but 10 minute OT I could support for playoff games. Regular season keep it as is. And I’m sure there would be griping about coin toss if still tied after the extra period.

Can someone explain why the regular season record isn’t just as relevant?

The only difference is the game cannot end in a tie after 10 minutes in the playoffs, and that’s not what people are concerned about. They’re concerned about the first drive.

I don’t have the time to pull all the regular season data with these rules but I’m sure it’s not as lopsided as 10-1.
And statistically speaking you want a sample size in at least the 30s to show a strong trend.

I personally like the first team to 8 points option. This makes a touchdown only win if you convert the 2-point conversion.

It’s not the end of the world if they keep the current rules, but the rules are fairly outdated at this point in the modern era. Just play a 10 minute period and let it play til the end. The team scores as TD based on a coin flip and then they just win? Seems a bit ridiculous at this point.

In comment 15573434 bluefin said:

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have a shot on offense…more football is better

My feeling as well.

like the college OT rules. You should keep playing the game with kickoffs, punts, etc.

I think just making sure each team gets a possession levels the playing field. If KC goes down the field and gets a TD, the Bills get a shot to match it. If they don't feel their D can hold up, you can go for 2 and try to end the game. If you kick the PAT and KC goes down the field and scores again? At least you had your shot.

I don't like the 10 minute OT rule for the playoffs because you have to just keep adding one if it ends in a tie, and at some point you are just watching guys completely gassed and risking greater injury.

as regular season
In post season each time needs to touch the ball. Sunday night both defenses were spent. I guarantee that if the Bills got the ball 1st, they win.

In comment 15573508 Mike from Ohio said:

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like the college OT rules. You should keep playing the game with kickoffs, punts, etc. I think just making sure each team gets a possession levels the playing field. If KC goes down the field and gets a TD, the Bills get a shot to match it. If they don't feel their D can hold up, you can go for 2 and try to end the game. If you kick the PAT and KC goes down the field and scores again? At least you had your shot. I don't like the 10 minute OT rule for the playoffs because you have to just keep adding one if it ends in a tie, and at some point you are just watching guys completely gassed and risking greater injury.

No, you can go to sudden death after the first OT period.

Don’t understand how anyone can think otherwise.

They already changed it. Things quieted down for years. Now, they want more. When’s it end? When it’s a full quarter? Then injuries go up and they’ll complain about that

Each team gets a possession and the ball is placed on the 45 yd line.
Then have at it. After 2 possessions and still tied you must go for 2 after TD.

whats wrong with KC taking all the way down the field for a TD? Did the Bills have to play with 10 guys? Did KC get to start with a guy on 2nd?

I am glad that game ended on a TD insted of a kick but we cant just keep giving out possesions. So you want Buffalo to go down and score then what is it unfair to end the next time KC scores a TD?

it is perfectly fair. If you can't hold your opponent to a FG with the game on the line, you don't deserve to win.

Defense to stop freaking Mahomes. 13 seconds... 13 freaking seconds.

sorry but when will it end? this is a team sport. i mean, people mention that if they score the td and 2pt conversion, they win. but if they can score that easy a td, whats stopping them from the 2pt conversion?

you settle the game in regulation.

In comment 15573475 markky said:

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In comment 15573431 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: . The problem is that the team that loses the coin toss and then loses 90% of the time DID take care of their business just as well as the other team in the first 4 quarters. That's why they're in OT. The playoff winner shouldn't be decided by the flip of a coin, which is what is happening now.

You take care of business by winning the game. If it's a tie game at 0.0 on the clock, neither side did. That's what I mean.

In comment 15573484 Mike from Ohio said:

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The overtime rules shouldn't be based on the thought of "well you did this to yourself by not winning in regulation!" Under that mantra, why not have one team attempt a 30 yard field goal and if they make it they win?

This is hard to reconcile sometimes when you see some coaches play it safe and close to the vest. McVay is notoriously prone to going turtle mode. In a sense, you can' do it to yourself. It's the playoffs. You've got to coach and play like it's your last stand, not play for overtime.

Especially in the playoffs. Either allow another 10 minute period that goes to the end or give both teams a chance with the ball.

The fact is the only argument i have seen to keep it as is…is that it is “fine”. However, is it better? If you were designing a system from scratch I would think most would allow both teams the ball. Rules favor the offense a lot.

both defense and offense had a chance to succeed. Now, of course, the rules are so bent toward offense that it seems wrong not to give the other team a chance. So, I am all for expanding the rules to. make sure each team gets the ball once.

In comment 15573557 Essex said:

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both defense and offense had a chance to succeed. Now, of course, the rules are so bent toward offense that it seems wrong not to give the other team a chance. So, I am all for expanding the rules to. make sure each team gets the ball once.

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Imagine the bitching if it were back when a FG won it with sudden death rules?

I think the best NFL OT rules are pretty clear (see the list below). When reading the proposed OT ruleset I list below, just IMAGINE the amazing potential for drama using this OT rule set during the playoffs (due to the chance for multiple OT's).

I don't know current CF OT rules as I don't watch the games and therefore don't know if they changed since 2002, but go back to the double OT game in 2003 (see link), and that game was so epic using that college system, even I still remember it.

1. Keep the current first part: a TD/safety to proceed further into the OT period regardless of first possession; in other words, both teams are guaranteed a first possession, and one team has to score a TD to win. FG's are eliminated from OT scoring options on the first possession for each team. Therefore, the scenario would be: first team either scores a TD or doesn't (safety works on the opposite side too), and then the other team is guaranteed a normal kick-off possession, and must score a TD to advance.

2. After the first two possessions and either both teams failed to score, or both teams scored a TD, then FG's are allowed, but sudden death is still removed as an option for the first OT.

3. With sudden death removed, the OT period plays out to the end of the period - 0:00.

4. If still tied after OT 1, another OT begins, but this time, it is sudden death because burnt out players and injuries on both sides become huge. Loser of first OT coin toss gets possession first. At some point, a TD requirement in OT just has to end. We don't want to see a half-team of backups in OT2 because the starters are injured/gassed/cramped up.
Double OT CF Championship - 2002 Season - ( New Window )

Coin toss wins?

This is what happens when you legislate against defense to the point you minimize their chances of getting stops against good quarterbacks in these situations

I don't think the current rules are "unfair" as they could have scores more in regulation to avoid the tie and the defense could have made a stop.

But, I think what everyone wants is a ruleset that's "more fair" which is what I had in mind above.

that if the Bills were given a possession in OT after KC scored, that they also would have scored a TD to tie the game? If so, at that point, who here thinks the Bills would have stopped KC on a second possession? In the end, I think the same outcome would have occurred. So yes, it all came down to the coin flip, but such is life.

that were crazy, but kind of interesting.

Option 1: Team that wins the flip picks any position on the field (say the 10-yard line) and the other team gets to choose whether they want the ball there on offense or give possession to the team that won the flip.

Option 2: Both teams give a yard line (where they would get possession of the ball on offense) to the official and whichever team is farther from the opposing endzone gets the ball 1st.

Not that I'm in favor, think it's too dependent on non-football strategy.

The coin toss winner is 86-77 alltime in OT

So why does it need to change?

Buffalo allowed KC to go 45 yards in 10 seconds - whose fault is that? Buffalo allowed KC to drive right down the field and score in OT - whose fault is that?

Leave the rules alone

In comment 15573422 Danny Kanell said:

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Since they changed the rule to what it is now, teams that won the coin toss are 10-1 in the playoffs. I think that's too much of an advantage from the flip of a coin.

Agreed

In comment 15573510 section125 said:

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as regular season In post season each time needs to touch the ball. Sunday night both defenses were spent. I guarantee that if the Bills got the ball 1st, they win.

Agreed

the rules. there are a lot of issues with adding more playing time. Rosters arent built for super long games like in college.

teams still need to play defense. Its part of the game. Buffalo had their chances to win the game just by playing defense. Hold a team to a FG and you get a chance.

letting a team have a chance also gives the 2nd team an unfair advantage in that they know they have to score a TD or settle for a FG to tie, so they have 4 downs to do it where the starting team really has to play a 3 down game and punt.

There is no magic solution, but the current system is fair imo. As the saying goes, defense wins championships. Buffalo played very poor defense down the stretch and lost because of it. The made a poor decision to kick it in the endzone. Hindsight is 20/20 but every decision affect the outcome.

In comment 15573579 Snablats said:

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The coin toss winner is 86-77 alltime in OT So why does it need to change? Buffalo allowed KC to go 45 yards in 10 seconds - whose fault is that? Buffalo allowed KC to drive right down the field and score in OT - whose fault is that? Leave the rules alone

exactly!!!!!

a full 10 minute period makes sense to me. The playoff QBs are so good that it does give a big advantage to the team who gets the ball first (so we're putting a lot of weight on the coin toss here).

I don't think there's any harm in going to a full 10 minutes. It's more like "real football" anyway, which is good.

I do think the current version is better than sudden death, because kickers have gotten so much better (as an aside, this is a big factor in the overall increase in scoring). But why not play 10 minutes of real football?

All you have to do is stop first offense short of the galling and you get at least 1 shot yourself. I don't care how tired you are. The odds are not stacked against you.

Everyone wanting a change is basing their arguments on the Buffalo versus Kansas City game. But, what about the other games? If the 49er's kicker had missed the field goal and the score was 10-10 going into overtime, would you think the winner of the coin flip was automatically going to score a touchdown after receiving the kickoff? Or what if Stafford had not driven his team in 42 seconds without a timeout into field goal range? Would the coin flip winner again automatically score a touchdown and win? I think Brady might well have, but the rams the way they were playing might just as easily turned the ball over.

And it worked. They lost

They played to prevent a touchdown when KC only needed a field goal. KC had three time outs but Buffalo still left the middle of the field wide open.

Terrible defense.

What are the benefits of the current overtime over the college overtime.

Take out (don't get there, defense should do their job ect...)

I think everyone would would the most fair option, and I think the data shows the coin flip is too much of a factor in the current system.

But playoffs need to change

If you can still play defense, then stop the other team.

Nobody said you have to give up a fg in 2 plays and 13 seconds or let them complete 8 passes in a row in OT.

Play some defense.

Don't hate the rules, hate that you blew it.

In comment 15573422 Danny Kanell said:

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Since they changed the rule to what it is now, teams that won the coin toss are 10-1 in the playoffs. I think that's too much of an advantage from the flip of a coin.

It's too small of a sample size. It's under 60% in the regular season. And in the regular season, less than 25% of the teams that win the flip win with a TD on their first possession (so more than 75% of the time, both teams get a possession in OT).

And you have to have a better solution, right? Let's say that the rules were changed to require both teams to get a possession no matter the outcome of the first possession, and looking at the Buffalo vs. KC game, Buffalo would have responded with a score of their own, would anyone expect the Bills to stop KC on the next possession when they had two backbreaking opportunities to stop KC at that point and failed both times?

No matter how you do it, the team that wins the toss is either going to have more guaranteed possessions or will have the opportunity to dictate the clock to manipulate number of possessions in OT.

The coin toss is always going to be a major factor in OT because there's only one decision being made. In regulation, the team that wins the toss at the start of the game can either receive or defer, which means that they'll have an opportunity to get the ball first to start one of the halves. That's the only reason why the coin toss doesn't have as significant an impact in regulation. I don't see how you can replicate that in OT.

The only alternative I could think of is just having the home team choose (both in regulation and OT) as though they won the toss. Then it would be like baseball with the home team getting last licks. It would still be a huge advantage, but at least you can justify it based on home field advantage (and in the playoffs, that's merit-based by definition) rather than just luck.

In comment 15573475 markky said:

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In comment 15573431 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: . The problem is that the team that loses the coin toss and then loses 90% of the time DID take care of their business just as well as the other team in the first 4 quarters. That's why they're in OT. The playoff winner shouldn't be decided by the flip of a coin, which is what is happening now.

Ummm, letting a team drive down the field in 13 seconds to kick a FG is NOT taking care of business...

In comment 15573618 njurygiants said:

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What are the benefits of the current overtime over the college overtime. Take out (don't get there, defense should do their job ect...) I think everyone would would the most fair option, and I think the data shows the coin flip is too much of a factor in the current system.

The college overtime is a gimmick. Starting a game at the 25 yard line is the football equivalent of putting a runner on 2nd base, or having a shootout. It's not the sport. And then alternating two-point conversions?

In comment 15573618 njurygiants said:

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What are the benefits of the current overtime over the college overtime. Take out (don't get there, defense should do their job ect...) I think everyone would would the most fair option, and I think the data shows the coin flip is too much of a factor in the current system.

Coin flip winner is 86-77 alltime. How is it too much of a factor?

In comment 15573431 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Or play defense and get a stop in overtime.