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Vacchiano: Daboll is the clear favorite, but...

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/25/2022 12:11 pm
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The 42-year-old Bills offensive coordinator is “clearly the favorite” to become the next Giants head coach, according to someone familiar with the process. He has been the favorite to many all along, given his relationship with new Giants GM Joe Schoen and the fact that Daboll has other supporters inside the organization, too.

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That doesn’t mean Daboll is a lock to get the job, though. There is still strong support for former Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores, who many believe is the top choice of co-owner John Mara. Flores and Schoen don’t have a history together, though they have spoken in the last few weeks, according to sources. So Flores still has his chance to stake his claim to the job.

Source: Brian Daboll 'clearly the favorite' as next Giants head coach - ( New Window )
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lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/25/2022 12:12 pm : link
Mara can't help himself.
Just...  
bw in dc : 1/25/2022 12:13 pm : link
beautiful.

That John Mara, Esquire, is a real pisser.
John apparently cannot go cold turkey  
The_Boss : 1/25/2022 12:13 pm : link
with regards to input.
What has Flores done to make him a favorite?  
djstat : 1/25/2022 12:16 pm : link
Seriously? Not saying he is bad, but why gamble on a coach who had communication issues?
John has Ralph floating this  
JB_in_DC : 1/25/2022 12:16 pm : link
to protect against any perception of flouting the Rooney rule?
So we can read this to basically say,  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/25/2022 12:16 pm : link
if Flores gets the job, Mara had a hand in it.

Because if Daboll is Schoen's guy AND has other supporters already in the building and they choose Flores, it will have been because Mara pushed for it.

It's possible that Flores just crushes his interview and Daboll flubs his. But having seen both men speak, I don't think there will be a dramatic swing within either of their interviews that would shift the intentions the way that an owner's preference would.
wtf  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/25/2022 12:16 pm : link
is this real
I guess the HC hire will be a good test to see  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/25/2022 12:16 pm : link
If Mara truly will let the GM have control

What's a guy to do?!?!?!  
Giantfan in skinland : 1/25/2022 12:16 pm : link
TWO Belichick disciples? How is he supposed to decide this (I mean besides the obviously silly idea of assigning the decision to the football professional he just hired and promised carte blanche authority to)?!?!?
Any owner outside of GB is going to  
Section331 : 1/25/2022 12:17 pm : link
have input into who their HC is. I don't begrudge John or Chris or Steve Tisch having some input, I just think the final call should be the GM's. He is the one who will sink or swim with the decision, so he should be able to make it.
Having an opinion  
joeinpa : 1/25/2022 12:17 pm : link
As an owner is pretty normal no?

It doesn’t supersede Schoen making the call
Yes lets kill the owner of the team  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2022 12:18 pm : link
for having an opinion and you see what vacchiano is doing right? he says Mara likes Flores, so if they hire Flores he can now run with article after article how the new GM doesnt have power
RE: John has Ralph floating this  
bLiTz 2k : 1/25/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15573906 JB_in_DC said:
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to protect against any perception of flouting the Rooney rule?


Conspiracy theories aside, this was literally my first thought.
RE: What's a guy to do?!?!?!  
Angel Eyes : 1/25/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15573911 Giantfan in skinland said:
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TWO Belichick disciples? How is he supposed to decide this (I mean besides the obviously silly idea of assigning the decision to the football professional he just hired and promised carte blanche authority to)?!?!?

I think Mara lied.
I understand those wanting Mara to stay out.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/25/2022 12:19 pm : link
However, I agree with him. Everyone killed Mara for having GM candidates that Mara knew. He never opened up his circle. Now, Schoen seems to be doing the same.
Duggan said the same thing  
Metnut : 1/25/2022 12:19 pm : link
Would be typical Mara to force a coaching hire on the new GM.
RE: Yes lets kill the owner of the team  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/25/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15573915 nygiants16 said:
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for having an opinion and you see what vacchiano is doing right? he says Mara likes Flores, so if they hire Flores he can now run with article after article how the new GM doesnt have power

Let's dig up some of your posts on Dolan.
RE: John has Ralph floating this  
Sean : 1/25/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15573906 JB_in_DC said:
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to protect against any perception of flouting the Rooney rule?

This really is a great point.
Guys, this is perfect!  
Brian in SI : 1/25/2022 12:20 pm : link
Daboll is the opposite of who John Mara wants, Costanza baby!

"who many believe...  
Brown_Hornet : 1/25/2022 12:20 pm : link
..."

Seems that this phrase is being overlooked?


If this is true  
Giantimistic : 1/25/2022 12:20 pm : link
I think it is clear to understand Mara's like of Flores. Flores is what he thought he was getting with Judge. He wanted to keep Judge. With Flores he will think he can build off of what Judge was doing that he liked. The difference is that Flores brings with him a winning record as a coach and has done it before.

I think if Mara likes Flores he is saying interview him and then the GM gets to decide who they go with.
Why can't Mara have an opinion?  
Bob from Massachusetts : 1/25/2022 12:21 pm : link
I guess it's a question of whether he and Shoen trust each other enough that Shoen can hear input but make another decision despite that? It seems he has been guaranteed that, but that doesn't take away the potential sensitivity on the issue.

That said, you'd hate to have a situation where the owner didn't have an opportunity to weigh in, and you'd also hate it if the GM was afraid to disagree with the owner. Neither situation is ideal, but I trus Shoen to have the people skills to address this directly with Mara "I know you like him, we don't know each other very well, but can you give me your word that if I don't take him it won't poison our relationship?" Two grownups should be able to work this out
How the hell  
section125 : 1/25/2022 12:23 pm : link
does anyone know what Mara thinks at this point? And even if he does, it doesn't mean that is who Schoen wants.

Click bait...until it is not.
RE: If this is true  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/25/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15573925 Giantimistic said:
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I think it is clear to understand Mara's like of Flores. Flores is what he thought he was getting with Judge. He wanted to keep Judge. With Flores he will think he can build off of what Judge was doing that he liked. The difference is that Flores brings with him a winning record as a coach and has done it before.

I think if Mara likes Flores he is saying interview him and then the GM gets to decide who they go with.

Let's at least be accurate: Flores brings a 24-25 record as HC. So he doesn't have a winning record overall, but does have one over the past two seasons.

He also brings a lot of the same issues that presumably led to Judge's ouster.
And everyone who is bitching  
Sean : 1/25/2022 12:25 pm : link
Kind of backs themselves into a corner when/if Daboll ends up being the guy. Similar to what they did when they insisted on Abrams getting the GM job. Can’t have it both ways.
RE: How the hell  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/25/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15573932 section125 said:
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does anyone know what Mara thinks at this point? And even if he does, it doesn't mean that is who Schoen wants.

Click bait...until it is not.

You think reporters don't have access to sources that give them some insight into Mara's preferences? I know you're not that naive.
This is Bullshit  
Samiam : 1/25/2022 12:26 pm : link
This is clickbait or something like that. I dont believe Mara is involved in the HC decision until it comes to signing off on the contract. Not saying it’ll definitely be Daboll but if its not, it’s because the GM wants someone with HC experience.
RE: John has Ralph floating this  
bw in dc : 1/25/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15573906 JB_in_DC said:
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to protect against any perception of flouting the Rooney rule?


I don't understand. The Rooney Rule states an in-person interview is required to meet the requirements.

Saying you like someone in the media means nothing in relation to the Rooney Rule.
bw..  
Sean : 1/25/2022 12:27 pm : link
It does when everyone assumes Daboll is a lock which they do. It adds validity to the Flores interview.
RE: Why can't Mara have an opinion?  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/25/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15573928 Bob from Massachusetts said:
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I guess it's a question of whether he and Shoen trust each other enough that Shoen can hear input but make another decision despite that? It seems he has been guaranteed that, but that doesn't take away the potential sensitivity on the issue.

That said, you'd hate to have a situation where the owner didn't have an opportunity to weigh in, and you'd also hate it if the GM was afraid to disagree with the owner. Neither situation is ideal, but I trus Shoen to have the people skills to address this directly with Mara "I know you like him, we don't know each other very well, but can you give me your word that if I don't take him it won't poison our relationship?" Two grownups should be able to work this out

Have you ever taken a new job with the promises of getting carte blanche to hire your staff (other than standard background check stuff) and then within a week having not only your boss, but the owner of the company suggesting to you which candidate he likes best?

Do you think that's a situation where the new hire is likely to feel completely comfortable with their supposed carte blanche?

I think that's the issue. It's not that Mara (or Tisch) is not entitled to an opinion. It's that maybe their opinion should come in the form of weighing in on the candidates the new GM chooses, rather than suggesting candidates to the new GM. The latter puts a very favorable weight on their suggestions.
RE: RE: John has Ralph floating this  
mfsd : 1/25/2022 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15573938 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15573906 JB_in_DC said:


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to protect against any perception of flouting the Rooney rule?



I don't understand. The Rooney Rule states an in-person interview is required to meet the requirements.

Saying you like someone in the media means nothing in relation to the Rooney Rule.


There’s the letter of the law and then there’s perception. If it were to leak the Giants are locked in on Daboll and any minority interviews were pure window dressing, that’s not a good look for an owner who prides himself on carrying on his family’s legacy of being among the good guys in the league

Not sure if any truth to this, just spitballing here, but not beyond the realm. The Giants leaking stuff to influence public perception isn’t new
Mara can have an opinion  
Matt M. : 1/25/2022 12:31 pm : link
But, going ut of his way to share the opnoon to the point of influencing the GM is the pposi of carte blanch. It also flies in the face of fixing what has plagued the franchise for a decade.

If Schoen comes away from this and hires Flores 100% on his own, I'll be on board. Flores wouldn't be my choice, but I am trusting the new GM. However, if Flores is hired because that is who Mara likes on any level, then this is more of the same shit.
RE: bw..  
JB_in_DC : 1/25/2022 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15573943 Sean said:
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It does when everyone assumes Daboll is a lock which they do. It adds validity to the Flores interview.


Yeah Mara is not going to want this to look like a sham search. He's sensitive to outside perception, and doesn't want his franchise or the league to look bad RE: Rooney Rule. Its named after his niece after all!
What I don’t understand is how Schoen  
Mayo2JZ : 1/25/2022 12:33 pm : link
is any different from Mara? I mean it sure seems that Dabol has the inside track. Has Schoen ever considered anyone else seriously?
Almost silly to presume Mara's favorite is Flores  
Jimmy Googs : 1/25/2022 12:35 pm : link
based on this. Really, you can't do better than to zero in on that reported phrase...many believe?

And this will be yet another good litmus test for all the resident conspiracy theorists if indeed Daboll is ultimately chosen...

Who cares?  
Johnny5 : 1/25/2022 12:36 pm : link
Is the owner of a billion $$ corporation not supposed to have any opinions on who gets hired to run his business? Geezus.

If he really gave Schoen Carte Blanche what difference does it make? And yeah, Schoen needs to "cast a wide net". They should be interviewing every candidate out there.
who many believe--  
UberAlias : 1/25/2022 12:41 pm : link
Look at how these "beliefs" are established. It's like Daboll and Schoen worked together so "I believe" he is his favorite. Someone says "they believe" Mara likes Flores, based on no information, just some connect the dots guess, and we are back to "Mara can't help himself" nonsense. I'll say this with certainty --Ralph V has no inside knowledge on what Mara is thinking. Zero.
It has always concerned me  
Mayo2JZ : 1/25/2022 12:42 pm : link
that Schoen is locked on Dabol
RE: Having an opinion  
Scooter185 : 1/25/2022 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15573914 joeinpa said:
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As an owner is pretty normal no?

It doesn’t supersede Schoen making the call


It is, but unfortunately Mara has the instincts of George Costanza
For all of the people who keep yelling  
Mike from Ohio : 1/25/2022 12:43 pm : link
"See, John Mara has learned his lesson!" If he is exerting any influence over the HC hire other than as a veto based on character, this is evidence he is still absolutely meddling in football operations.
RE: It has always concerned me  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/25/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15573978 Mayo2JZ said:
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that Schoen is locked on Dabol


That's a fair and valid concern.

At the same time, the Giants must have known that when they hired Schoen? You would think.

I'm more concerned with what Peppers posted about Schoen being more a of a yes-man.
Haha -and we can't win  
UberAlias : 1/25/2022 12:44 pm : link
If it's Flores, then Mara forced him on Schoen. If it's Daboll, then Schoen was locked in on him because it's his buddy.
RE: And everyone who is bitching  
Mike from Ohio : 1/25/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15573934 Sean said:
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Kind of backs themselves into a corner when/if Daboll ends up being the guy. Similar to what they did when they insisted on Abrams getting the GM job. Can’t have it both ways.


To be clear, everyone on this thread is guessing based on limited information. Absolutely nobody is "backing themselves into a corner."
RE: Yes lets kill the owner of the team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/25/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15573915 nygiants16 said:
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for having an opinion and you see what vacchiano is doing right? he says Mara likes Flores, so if they hire Flores he can now run with article after article how the new GM doesnt have power


I dont think Mara has brought himself any credibility to use the "the media" excuse.
RE: I understand those wanting Mara to stay out.  
GiantsFan84 : 1/25/2022 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15573918 robbieballs2003 said:
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However, I agree with him. Everyone killed Mara for having GM candidates that Mara knew. He never opened up his circle. Now, Schoen seems to be doing the same.


this is such a bulllshit false narrative. mara kept trying to hire people he was familiar with who sucked at their jobs and were part of a losing organization. he wanted input and everything to stay within the giants family. but that family was incompetent and broken

schoen is coming from outside of that. he has someone he's worked with, who is successful and one of the top coaching candidates around the league right now. this isn't the same as trying to promote abrams or bring in EA for a sham process to hire his friend. nobody was going to fucking hire abrams or gettleman except john.

the situations are nothing alike
RE: RE: It has always concerned me  
GiantsFan84 : 1/25/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15573984 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15573978 Mayo2JZ said:


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that Schoen is locked on Dabol



That's a fair and valid concern.

At the same time, the Giants must have known that when they hired Schoen? You would think.

I'm more concerned with what Peppers posted about Schoen being more a of a yes-man.


what did peppers post?
RE: RE: It has always concerned me  
Mayo2JZ : 1/25/2022 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15573984 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15573978 Mayo2JZ said:


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that Schoen is locked on Dabol



That's a fair and valid concern.

At the same time, the Giants must have known that when they hired Schoen? You would think.

I'm more concerned with what Peppers posted about Schoen being more a of a yes-man.


Really? I hadn’t heard that
Some of you just talk out of your asses  
UberAlias : 1/25/2022 12:49 pm : link
Drawing up in your head scenario after scenario why they are going to suck. Maybe try getting out of the house?
Peppers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/25/2022 12:51 pm : link
posted this in the Whitt thread:

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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
All those other Daboll supporters inside the organization  
Jimmy Googs : 1/25/2022 12:51 pm : link
are putting their relationships/jobs with John Mara at risk since his favorite is clearly Flores.

Maybe they can get jobs up in Buffalo or for the Jets...

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