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| The 42-year-old Bills offensive coordinator is “clearly the favorite” to become the next Giants head coach, according to someone familiar with the process. He has been the favorite to many all along, given his relationship with new Giants GM Joe Schoen and the fact that Daboll has other supporters inside the organization, too. ... That doesn’t mean Daboll is a lock to get the job, though. There is still strong support for former Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores, who many believe is the top choice of co-owner John Mara. Flores and Schoen don’t have a history together, though they have spoken in the last few weeks, according to sources. So Flores still has his chance to stake his claim to the job. |
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
Oh, awesome!
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
Now we are concerned the GM -- who hasn't made a single draft pick, FA signing, or coaching hire -- is a Mara Yes Man. The paranoia on this site is ridiculous. We'd have better luck discussing JFK assassination than football jesus.
Being skeptical of an organization that has been at the bottom of it's peer group for a decade means people need to leave their houses?
It must suck for you that everyone isn't confirming your beliefs.
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
Don’t agree at all with that quote.
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Drawing up in your head scenario after scenario why they are going to suck. Maybe try getting out of the house?
Being skeptical of an organization that has been at the bottom of it's peer group for a decade means people need to leave their houses?
It must suck for you that everyone isn't confirming your beliefs.
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
I hadn't seen that. Oof.
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
that is the exact opposite of the way peters was described. peters was described as the talent evaluator in SF. peters was also my first choice as the amount of talent on that team is bonkers.
i think mara is an idiot but at the end of the day, they interviewed the top assistants from the top teams in the league. who else should they have interviewed?
Not sure I agree with peppers assessment.
BBI may need to start having trigger warnings on threads.
"Caution! Opinions in this thread may differ from your own."
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
So let me get this straight...was Gettleman a yes man without a strong personality, no experience and just did what he was asked?
Good lord...
Not sure I agree with peppers assessment.
I won't speak for peppers on this, but was Gettleman really a strong personality? Or did he pretend to be?
If you asked me, it was pretty telling how he hid during the 2021 season.
I'm willing to be patient to a degree.
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Drawing up in your head scenario after scenario why they are going to suck. Maybe try getting out of the house?
Being skeptical of an organization that has been at the bottom of it's peer group for a decade means people need to leave their houses?
It must suck for you that everyone isn't confirming your beliefs.
Confirming my beliefs? And so what are my beliefs then, exactly?
That people are drawing up scenarios to explain why the Giants will suck instead of simply posting their thoughts on something reported by a beat writer, and that they do this because they are unhappy recluses.
I'm willing to be patient to a degree.
Agree on this.
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posted this in the Whitt thread:
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
So let me get this straight...was Gettleman a yes man without a strong personality, no experience and just did what he was asked?
Good lord...
So John asked DG to be a total douche and Dave said "With pleasure, sir!"
That John Mara, Esquire, is a real pisser.
Why?
What if Flores is the best choice?
I think the canary in the coal mine is Daniel Jones. If he gets a second contract, that's got Mara's fingerprints all over it.
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And they dropped their pants to hire him in 2 seconds.
Not sure I agree with peppers assessment.
I won't speak for peppers on this, but was Gettleman really a strong personality? Or did he pretend to be?
If you asked me, it was pretty telling how he hid during the 2021 season.
Did he just pretend to be? You have to be kidding.
good lord doesn't even work at this point...
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And they dropped their pants to hire him in 2 seconds.
Not sure I agree with peppers assessment.
I won't speak for peppers on this, but was Gettleman really a strong personality? Or did he pretend to be?
If you asked me, it was pretty telling how he hid during the 2021 season.
I guess it's possible, but he had this reputation from Carolina as well. It didn't just start here.
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And they dropped their pants to hire him in 2 seconds.
Not sure I agree with peppers assessment.
I won't speak for peppers on this, but was Gettleman really a strong personality? Or did he pretend to be?
If you asked me, it was pretty telling how he hid during the 2021 season.
Always thought one reason Gettleman got the job was that he told John and Chris what they wanted to hear - that the team could compete with Eli at QB in 2018 by adding a few weapons and bringing in new coaches.
Agreed. Let me toss out one of my favorite BBIisms...
"you can't make this stuff up"
Mara meddling in front office decisions (which almost of all us can agree he did as recently as this past year) is an outlandish conspiracy theory?
Help me out with that one?
He had a very interesting post on another thread today about the GM process. Very enlightening. Suggested Schoen may be more of a "yes" man...
Where was Gettleman during the 2021 season? Mara either hid him or he cowered in the corner.
I was read dozens and dozens of posts on BBI last year that Judge was running the show now and Gettleman was just a figurehead. You can't have it both ways.
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In comment 15574000 UberAlias said:
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Drawing up in your head scenario after scenario why they are going to suck. Maybe try getting out of the house?
Being skeptical of an organization that has been at the bottom of it's peer group for a decade means people need to leave their houses?
It must suck for you that everyone isn't confirming your beliefs.
Confirming my beliefs? And so what are my beliefs then, exactly?
That people are drawing up scenarios to explain why the Giants will suck instead of simply posting their thoughts on something reported by a beat writer, and that they do this because they are unhappy recluses.
And if those events were to pass, that article wouldn't necessarily be inaccurate.
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And they dropped their pants to hire him in 2 seconds.
Not sure I agree with peppers assessment.
I won't speak for peppers on this, but was Gettleman really a strong personality? Or did he pretend to be?
If you asked me, it was pretty telling how he hid during the 2021 season.
Always thought one reason Gettleman got the job was that he told John and Chris what they wanted to hear - that the team could compete with Eli at QB in 2018 by adding a few weapons and bringing in new coaches.
No, he evaluated Eli. And he sucked at that evaluation just like most of his evaluations, and that answer was what the Owners wanted to hear.
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there are about five posters on this site who I actively search for their posts because of how plugged in they are. Peppers is at the top of that list. He doesn't post often, but when he does, he has fantastic info.
He had a very interesting post on another thread today about the GM process. Very enlightening. Suggested Schoen may be more of a "yes" man...
I see someone posted Peppers's post above. I hope he responds to my follow-up.
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
Well that's concerning. I posted this over the weekend with regards to Hortiz not getting a 2nd interview, feels relevant...
Maybe I'm reading into too much
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But I don't like that Hortiz has been identified as being somewhat of an outlier in his coaching suggestions (Harbaugh, Martindale) while the rest were all in lockstep (Daboll, Flores, Quinn, apparently Graham) and did not get a 2nd interview despite being highly regarded and from a model front office. I have a hard time buying the "he was rusty in the zoom interview" line that was reported. Rust or nerves has nothing to do with vision and ability.
I get that even when ushering in a supposed era of change that there is going to be a comfort zone. At the same time, the cynic in me sees "Schoen was endorsed by Parcells" and "Graham, highly regarded by the organization, will interview for the HC position" and think "Shit...did we get hoodwinked?" Again, maybe too much reading between the lines but it's hard to take anything at face value right now. Trust will be earned with wins.
Where was Gettleman during the 2021 season? Mara either hid him or he cowered in the corner.
I was read dozens and dozens of posts on BBI last year that Judge was running the show now and Gettleman was just a figurehead. You can't have it both ways.
You read dozens of bad posts. The GM runs the show.
And DG was the same, until the season started and they went down in flames early and often. You want him to come out and say it'll be alright after 3 year of the same nonsense in his rear-view mirror.
come on, man...
I really hope John has picked the right guy.
Sometimes you pick the guy and he ends up just not delivering.
I suppose. But I wouldn't bet on that scenario.